Least exspensive deer caliber?


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neededausername
November 29, 2008, 04:06 AM
Of the calibers that are generally used to hunt deer and other similar sized animals which is the least expensive? Anyone have any links to ammo price comparison charts or anything? Thanks

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DRYHUMOR
November 29, 2008, 07:14 AM
Realistically, standard calibers are less expensive and ammo is easy to find.

Magnums and belted magnums, short and super short magnums are more expensive.

Ammo cost more when different bullets are used. Remington Core Lokt has been around for years and is good reliable ammo. It is consistantly less expensive.

Keep in mind, your rifle may shoot some types of ammo well, and not others. If it shoots something a bit more pricey, stick to that for hunting. Use a cheaper ammo for practice.

JimmAr
November 29, 2008, 07:34 AM
308 winny

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 07:39 AM
far and away 7.62x39mm, Ammunition with excellent deer hunting properties can be had just about anywhere for less than $5 a box of 20.

next in line would be 30-30win coming in at appx $13 a box

then 30-06, 270 and 243 at around $15

everything else pretty much goes up from there

308 winny

Priced 308 ammo lately? Even 30-06 is cheaper.

JimmAr
November 29, 2008, 07:44 AM
Priced 308 ammo lately? Even 30-06 is cheaper.

Merg... My club discount at sportsmans gets me 11.54 for a box for 20 146gr's. :confused:

Your right about the 7.62x39 though.. always cheap.

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 07:53 AM
but deer ammo must be loaded with hunting bullets. Most don't consider a 147grn FMJ to be a suitable deer load and is in fact illegal to use for hunting in my state.

Another one I should have mentioned would be 7.62x54r, soft point ammo can be had for this round for around $10 a box. Steel cased 140grn SP 30-06 from academy comes in at around $10 per box as well

Shawnee
November 29, 2008, 09:26 AM
"7.62x39mm, Ammunition with excellent deer hunting properties can be had just about anywhere for less than $5 a box of 20."

Who supplies it that inexpensively and what bullet is it ?

Midway shows it for $20/box of 20.

:confused:

The King of Pants
November 29, 2008, 10:00 AM
Most of the shops around here (WI) have the Wolf 7.62x39 154gr. Soft Points for under 7 a box, I'd say that's about as cheap as it gets for hunting ammo.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 29, 2008, 10:44 AM
Like they said, .30-30 Winchester or 7.62x39mm. If you take up reloading, then other calibers can be cheaper.

MAKster
November 29, 2008, 11:08 AM
During deer season Dicks was selling Remington 30-30 for $8 a box.

Odnar
November 29, 2008, 11:15 AM
If you buy a case, ammoman.com has Wolf JHP 7.62x39 for $250/1000 including shipping, which works out to $5 a box. That's up from $199 right before the election.

As for cheap deer rounds, .30-30 gets my recommendation. Much easier to find practical (non-FMJ) hunting ammo.

trekgod3
November 29, 2008, 11:25 AM
Don't forget 7.62x54, I picked up a 300 round case for $45 online a couple of months ago.

XD-40 Shooter
November 29, 2008, 12:06 PM
Wolf 154 gr soft points, $5/20 at sportsmansguide, it reliably expands in gelatin and would be effective out to 100 yards or so. After that, 30-30.

bang_bang
November 29, 2008, 12:10 PM
I've seen 30-30 ammo for as low as $6 recently at Wally World.

Most gun shops around here sell 7.62x39 HP or SP for around the same price.

Frog48
November 29, 2008, 12:13 PM
.30-06. It isnt the cheapest, but its still pretty cheap. And the best all-around caliber, in my opinion.

ACP230
November 29, 2008, 12:13 PM
My vote would be for either the 7.62 x 39 or the .30-30.

I saw a Marlin 336 for sale for $250 recently. Cheap rifles and cheap ammo make a good combination.

Serial Crusher
November 29, 2008, 12:28 PM
I'm going with trekgod3, if there aren't regulations on rifle calibers, go for an M44 Mosin Nagant. You can be killing deer for less than $100 for a rifle and some ammo.

Speedo66
November 29, 2008, 01:28 PM
If you're buying hunting ammo, does the price really matter?

Once you're sighted in, a box will last you for years.

fireman
November 29, 2008, 01:59 PM
.30-06. It isnt the cheapest, but its still pretty cheap. And the best all-around caliber, in my opinion.
+1

fireman

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 04:38 PM
Who supplies it that inexpensively and what bullet is it ?

Midway shows it for $20/box of 20.

You really need to get out more. Wolf 154grn SP and 122grn HP is literally sold just about everywhere.....even midway

Forget domestic 7.62x39 it's underloaded crap barely more powerful than 30 carbine that you get charged waaaaaaaay too much for.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=409365

rcmodel
November 29, 2008, 04:46 PM
I can't believe all the folks recommending Russian surplus rifles & ammo for deer hunting.

Crappy sights on crappy rifles.

You can buy a good used Marlin 336 30-30 for less then most AK's sell for, and there are few better woods hunting deer rifles made.

Ammo cost should not even enter into the equation, because how many deer are you going to shoot in a year anyway?

rcmodel

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 04:58 PM
I can't believe all the folks recommending Russian surplus rifles & ammo for deer hunting.

Crappy sights on crappy rifles.

You can buy a good used Marlin 336 30-30 for less then most AK's sell for, and there are few better woods hunting deer rifles made.

Ammo cost should not even enter into the equation, because how many deer are you going to shoot in a year anyway?

NEWS FLASH

you can actually buy firearms chambered for 7.62x39 that aren't surplus garbage.

I'd rather see a well practiced hunter in the woods with an SKS than a hunter with no familiarity with their weapon that's been shooting the same box of ammo he bought when Regan was president

Ammo cost should not even enter into the equation, because how many deer are you going to shoot in a year anyway?


YES it does! because if you can practice more you'll become a better shot plain and simple. You can only learn so much from a .22lr. Harvesting a deer is 98% shot placement and 2% caliber anyhow and to get that you must practice

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 29, 2008, 05:00 PM
Instead of "caliber" consider a shotgun with slugs or 00BUCK.

neededausername
November 29, 2008, 05:04 PM
Thanks everyone, I was wanting a SKS anyway. I know it's not the best rifle for hunting, but I'm primarily looking for something to just take to the range and plink with, but figured I might as well get something that is capable of taking game if I decided to go do that.

And yes I know for plinking, etc nothing beats a .22lr on price, but sometimes you just want something that has a bigger bang.

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 05:09 PM
Thanks everyone, I was wanting a SKS anyway. I know it's not the best rifle for hunting, but I'm primarily looking for something to just take to the range and plink with, but figured I might as well get something that is capable of taking game if I decided to go do that.

And yes I know for plinking, etc nothing beats a .22lr on price, but sometimes you just want something that has a bigger bang.

Do yourself a favor and invest $50 in a Tech Sight, then you'll have a rifle that'll be every bit as good as any 30-30 with sights.

http://www.tech-sights.com/sks.htm

The SKS is a fine choice for the entry level hunter who doesn't plan on taking long shots over 150yds. Round these parts to some extent it's replaced the leveraction as the brush gun of choice

natecade1
November 29, 2008, 05:19 PM
I can't believe all the folks recommending Russian surplus rifles & ammo for deer hunting.

Crappy sights on crappy rifles.

You can buy a good used Marlin 336 30-30 for less then most AK's sell for, and there are few better woods hunting deer rifles made.

Ammo cost should not even enter into the equation, because how many deer are you going to shoot in a year anyway?

rcmodel

If you're buying hunting ammo, does the price really matter?

Once you're sighted in, a box will last you for years.

I know myself, and I'm sure others like to go shooting for fun.
For me it's just what I do on the weekends. Instead of spending $20 on movie tickets, I get 100 rounds of cheap ammo for the same price and head up to the range.
I have a cheap hunting rifle but next season I definitely plan on taking a deer with the Mosin Nagant. It's just more fun to shoot.

So while I agree that you should not buy a hunting rifle based on ammo price, I do think it is reasonable to consider ammo price if you plan on doing more than just hunting.

MRIman
November 29, 2008, 05:24 PM
How about 7.62x54r.
You can score a great 91/30 for well under a $100,and get cheap
ammo for it as well. Wolf offers 200 grain soft points and it
can be found for @ $9 a box if you look.
Century just had 440 rds. of Russian light ball for $62!!!

nksmfamjp
November 29, 2008, 05:40 PM
SKS is not a good shooter, IMO. They just are not accurate enough from what I've seen. If you can keep your shotss under 75 yards, you might be ok. . .

Shotguns are cheap. For cheap, I would look for a used smoothbore 12 ga Mossy 500 pump for about $150 or so. Try to find the 18.5" smoothbore. Wal Mart has rifled slugs 15 for $9. Spend any left over on a receiver rail for like $8 and a cheap red dot for like $35.

If you think you will shoot over 100 yards, look for the same in a rifled bore and save your money for sabots. They are normally $15 for 5, but you can get crazy deals like 15 for $21, like I did today!

Also, if a rifle is what you want, +1 to MRIman.

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 05:44 PM
SKS is not a good shooter, IMO. They just are not accurate enough from what I've seen. If you can keep your shotss under 75 yards, you might be ok. . .

Shotguns are cheap. For cheap, I would look for a used smoothbore 12 ga Mossy 500 pump for about $150 or so. Try to find the 18.5" smoothbore. Wal Mart has rifled slugs 15 for $9. Spend any left over on a receiver rail for like $8 and a cheap red dot for like $35.

Let me see if I get this straight. An SKS isn't accurate enough to hunt deer with, but then you go on to recommend a smooth bore shotgun?

ummmm ok WHATEVER

Wedge
November 29, 2008, 06:07 PM
My M44 shoots 4MOA with commercial ammo. Some handloads and some mojo sights and I bet I could cut that down to 2MOA.

I would never recommend a slug gun over a rifle. The only reason I have seen for slug guns is because rifles are unsafe to use due to heavy population density. Given the choice between the two I would pick any rifle over a slug gun.

I still have a few hundred slugs left over from when I lived up north and they were required.

I would take my M44 over my slug gun any day of the week for hunting if legal.

JimmAr
November 29, 2008, 07:47 PM
The CZ carbine chambered in 7.62x39 is the only one I would trust past 100y+

If you get a closer opportunity and your confident in your irons then that..SKS/AK.

For those who can hunt with FMJ's $3.96 non-corrosive sportsmansguide club listed 7.62x54. Wonderful stuff..

snowpro440
November 29, 2008, 07:52 PM
why so cheap about ammo? i never skimp on ammo i buy the best or most suitable to do the job at hand . i never get too many chances to shoot a good buck......:neener: want cheap ammo buy a .....22

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 29, 2008, 08:23 PM
I would never recommend a slug gun over a rifle.
I would -- in dense brush where the farthest shot you will see all day is about 30 feet.
For that hunting, my Mossberg 500 with slugs is just fine. If the slug hits a tiny twig, no need to worry, it will still hit the target.

Auburn1992
November 29, 2008, 08:44 PM
the 30/30 is extremely hard to beat for price.

XD-40 Shooter
November 29, 2008, 08:56 PM
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a deer at 100 yards with my SKS, it'd get the job done.:D

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2008, 09:01 PM
The CZ carbine chambered in 7.62x39 is the only one I would trust past 100y+


As much as I enjoyed mine I have to say that the world of good shootin 7.62x39's extends well beyond CZ's lineup. AR15, Rem798, and SPR18, ruger M77 MKII even a good shooting saigia or ruger mini 30

I used my 7.62x39mm AR15 to kill this year's doe at 278yds!!!!

To me the limiting factor is ammo, I wouldn't use factory stuff past 200 myself irregardless of platform

franconialocal
November 29, 2008, 09:05 PM
.243
.270
30/30
30-06
7.62
:d

By the way, I reall like .243 Nice and flat, fast, hard hitting esp. in this thick NH brush. Or a nice lever action 30-30 Heavy grain for brush too

WardenWolf
November 29, 2008, 09:26 PM
As has been stated before, there's the gun cost and the ammo cost. If you get the gun cheap enough, though, it's still going to take a LOT of ammo to make it "expensive". Basically, if you get a good enough deal, go for it regardless of ammo price because the money saved will still buy a lot of ammo.

7.62x54R:

Gun cost: very low, $75-$150 (Mosin Nagant) to very high $750-$1000 (PSL)
Ammo cost: Corrosive surplus - cheap, 25 cents a round. Commercial loadings - expensive, 75 cents a round.

8mm Mauser:

Gun cost: low. Just saw a beautiful and good-shooting Turkish Mauser go for under $250.
Ammo cost: high, about the same as commercial 7.62x54R.

The problem with .308 is that most of the guns that shoot it are expensive, even the lower-end very old guns. The ammo is also fairly expensive, too. It's a great caliber to have a gun in, don't get me wrong, but the initial investment is very high.

I'd honestly have to rate 7.62x54R as the least expensive overall simply because the initial gun cost is so cheap. Even with expensive ammo, you're still not likely to EVER reach the cost of the next most cost-effective gun within the lifetime of the rifle.

Furncliff
November 29, 2008, 09:29 PM
The ballistics for the 7.62 firing a 158 g and a similar 30-30 round are very close.

So is this...

Deer hunting

.357 magnum Buffalo Bore Ammo from an 18.5 inch Marlin 1894

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps----
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps----

$25.00/box of 20 (0uch!)

But the rest of the time .38 special...3.80/box of 20 (actually $19.00 in 100 bulk pack)

Grin factor of the sks maybe higher, I don't know:)

Matrix187
November 29, 2008, 09:31 PM
.22 LR with perfect eye shots every time.:evil: I would say a 30-30, .308, .30-06, or a .270. Even a .243 will do a good job.

Javelin
November 29, 2008, 09:35 PM
I'm going with trekgod3, if there aren't regulations on rifle calibers, go for an M44 Mosin Nagant. You can be killing deer for less than $100 for a rifle and some ammo.


Hands down the Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R...

IF you can find soft point ammo cheap.

Otherwise a good old gently used .308 winchester will be your cheapest bet for long term quality use.

:)

Wedge
November 29, 2008, 10:20 PM
PRVI 150gr 7,62x54R is $11.75/20

Silver Bear 203gr is around $8/20

That's pretty cheap in my book!

Wedge
November 29, 2008, 10:26 PM
I would -- in dense brush where the farthest shot you will see all day is about 30 feet.
For that hunting, my Mossberg 500 with slugs is just fine. If the slug hits a tiny twig, no need to worry, it will still hit the target.

Touche. You're right if you are hunting in dense brush no disadvantage to the slug gun and a .729" hole is going to do the job.

In general though if given the choice between only my Mossberg 500 and my M44 I would take the M44.

Almond27
November 29, 2008, 11:18 PM
I'm going to have to vote for .30-30 as overall cheapest package a box of 20 at walmart is $10 and your can score a Winchester or Marlin for $200 easy.

VirgilCaine
November 29, 2008, 11:43 PM
PRVI 150gr 7,62x54R is $11.75/20

Silver Bear 203gr is around $8/20

Is this local or online?

Few weeks ago, some guy at the flea market selling some ammo and other gear was offering a box of 7.62x54R HPs for $20 for 20, for some reason.
Didn't see how he would get anyone to buy at that price, might as well buy a new box.

Wedge
November 29, 2008, 11:47 PM
That was online. aimsurplus.com and ammunitiontogo.com are both places I have bought ammo from.

If you need local ammo supplies as part of your deer hunting requirements, you will be best served with one of the .30 cals (.30-30, .30-'06, .308) they will all be about the same $12/20 at any place that sells ammo.

atblis
November 30, 2008, 01:05 AM
6.5x55 soft point can be had for $10 a box still.

DSAPT9
November 30, 2008, 01:32 AM
In your post you did not define anything but price. So I will have to agree the 7.62X39 is the cheapest so far even in a 123-gr. soft point. In a Mini 30, SKS or a bolt gun it is a great dear rifle out to about 150 yards.

Next choice is the 30-30 in lever action or in some of the old bolt guns made in the 60s or 70s good out to 100 to 150 yards as well.

In my area 30-06 is just as cheap as .243, 7-08 or .308 and even though I am a .308 fan it is hard to beat a 30-06 if you only get one rifle.

Grassman
November 30, 2008, 01:48 AM
I hear Daisy makes a damn fine gun. You'll shoot your eye out! LOL

Odnar
November 30, 2008, 08:32 AM
6.5x55 soft point can be had for $10 a box still.

Where? I'd definitely buy some for $10 a box.

lefteyedom
November 30, 2008, 04:03 PM
Cabela is just up the street from me. They sell 120 gr 257 weatherby for a little over $70 for a box of 20.
Can you say Lee reloader?

VirgilCaine
November 30, 2008, 04:59 PM
That was online. aimsurplus.com and ammunitiontogo.com are both places I have bought ammo from.

If you need local ammo supplies as part of your deer hunting requirements, you will be best served with one of the .30 cals (.30-30, .30-'06, .308) they will all be about the same $12/20 at any place that sells ammo.

Oh, no, I was just wandering around and had some money in my pocket. I only have a Mosin M44.
If I need ammo, I'll definitely use ammunitiontogo.

dagger dog
November 30, 2008, 05:22 PM
Without reading through all previous posts, and kind of off the OP but still close enough that it could be of interest.

AMMO AND BALLISTICS For hunters shooters and collectors, by BOB FORKER

Lists 81 different factory loadings for .308 Winchester, this is just factory loadings and some are not heavy enough for deer, and it does not include military ammo.

It goes on to list 93 for the old workhorse .30'06 the same on deer hunting bullet weights and military apply.

I did not go into any other caliber research.

But it seems with that many selections, in those two .308 caliber bullets ,one or the other should be the cheapest to feed.

26 loadings in the 150-165 hunting bullet weight class alone for '06.

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