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ilbob
November 29, 2008, 06:58 PM
In NYC.

Why is he not in jail on felony charges, unless he somehow copped a pistol permit not available to law abiding citizens.

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ByAnyMeans
November 29, 2008, 07:03 PM
He could not legally have a permit becaue he is not a NYC resident but a NJ resident and that permit would not be valid in NYC. However it would not be the first time a Celeb got special treatment.

kingpin008
November 29, 2008, 08:21 PM
If it -just- happened, he's probably still in the hospital. I'm sure given time, they'll charge him.

smee781
November 29, 2008, 08:32 PM
I bet no charges will be brought against him, another celeb perk, you know like drunk driving and drugs all the time.:banghead:

bja5006
November 29, 2008, 09:47 PM
i just hope this wont become a 60-minutes special. :fire:

please media, let this one die

CentralTexas
November 29, 2008, 09:50 PM
after busted with a gun?

I'll begin:

David Crosby

wally
November 29, 2008, 09:54 PM
Shall we start a list of celebs given a NY pass?
after busted with a gun?

I'll begin:

David Crosby

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't he do some jail time in Texas after being caught carrying a handgun before Texas passed the CHL law?

--wally.

ArmedBear
November 29, 2008, 10:06 PM
Who is Plaxico Burress and is there any reason I should give a crap?

DAVIDSDIVAD
November 29, 2008, 10:21 PM
He's a famous football player, who seems to be getting away with illegally carrying a gun.

rbernie
November 29, 2008, 10:26 PM
While it's possible, and maybe even likely, that Plaxico will wind up not being charged - nobody yet knows.

Why are we speculating about something that has yet come to pass?

dawgtraxx
November 29, 2008, 10:28 PM
who cares...I hope it hurt

smee781
November 30, 2008, 12:16 AM
I care, I'm tired of the famous celebs getting away with breaking the law!

rondog
November 30, 2008, 04:33 AM
If I had a name like "Plaxico" I'd shoot myself too.

dcal
November 30, 2008, 12:31 PM
Is anyone watching Sunday NFL Countdown on ESPN?

The panel seems to think that carrying a gun is ridiculous.

Ditka says, "No NFL player should be allowed to have a gun."
Keyshawn says, "If you can afford security, why would you carry a gun?"
Tom Jackson says, "I want to know if a NFL player has a gun before I meet any of them."
Chris Mortenson says, "Statistically it's a bad idea to own a gun."

I don't like that Plax will probably get off with a fine for a felony, but I don't dispute his need to carry a gun. If NY/NJ weren't the oppressive states that they are this would be nothing but a ND.

A few things I'd like to see:

Plax prosecuted to the full extent of the law and he wins the case on Constitutional grounds.

The entire ESPN SNFLC cast stripped of their security details.

Igloodude
November 30, 2008, 01:08 PM
I read an article that said he had a FL CCW, but it expired earlier this year, and the article correctly noted that since FL CCWs aren't honored by NY or NJ anyway it wouldn't have mattered.

Gunnerpalace
November 30, 2008, 03:21 PM
Chris Mortenson says, "Statistically it's a bad idea to own a gun."


Statistically it's a bad idea to drive,

Genius needs to stop reading VPC reports.

Frog48
November 30, 2008, 03:54 PM
Not only was Plaxico carrying a pistol in NYC, but was carrying a pistol in a NYC nightclub. Sounds kinda sketchy... nightclubs in and of themselves are sketchy places.

If Plaxico Burress wasnt a Superbowl champion NY Giant, I'm thinking the NYPD & DA would be a little tougher on him.

dcal
November 30, 2008, 04:56 PM
Words of wisdom from the Goose (Tony Siragusa). :rolleyes:

"If you need to go someplace where you feel you need to defend yourself, don't go."

Birddog1911
November 30, 2008, 05:02 PM
Just heard on the game that his lawyer said that he is going to be charged with unlawful possession, or something along those lines. He will turn himself in on Mon(he's suited up at the friggin' game:barf:), at which time he will enter a plea of not guilty. What an *******. Shoots himself in the leg in a nightclub, and he's gonna plead not guilty.

Think I will write Morty an email telling him a thing or two...

Edit: Here is what I wrote in his chat forum on ESPN.com. Apparently it is rather difficult to find his email.

Hey Chris,
Regarding your ridiculously stupid comment on Sunday about how statistically it's a bad idea to own a gun. Care to explain this ignorant and arogant statement? Statistically, it's a bad idea to own a car, since FAR more people are injured or killed by motor vehicles, 53 times more likely. Statistically, no one should own a ladder as you are 19 more times likely to die in a fall. Statistically, no one own a pool, since pool drownings are nearly 100 times more likely. Your 256 times more likely to die from a medical mistake; guess you shouldn't have a doctor either.
Instead of spouting statements to which you clearly have no knowledge, why don't you talk about the disparity of how sports "celebrities" are statistically far more likely to get off easy compared to regular people.
Just another statistic waiting to happen,
Kevin, Colorado

Birddog1911
November 30, 2008, 05:53 PM
Too bad I just noticed my poor grammar in it. Oh well.

rcmodel
November 30, 2008, 05:58 PM
10 to 1 it was a Glock!

Just goes to show.
You shouldn't stuff a loaded Glock down your baggy pants, and then go out drinking.

You might shoot your third eye out!

rcmodel

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 30, 2008, 06:09 PM
"I'm the only guy illegally carrying a gun in this here nightclub who is experienced enough to" - BANG!

TexasRifleman
November 30, 2008, 06:31 PM
Ditka says, "No NFL player should be allowed to have a gun."

Well given the number of felons in the NFL, and the number that have problems with firearms, Ditka may be right.....

nerfsrule2
November 30, 2008, 06:55 PM
To much money and to few brains......

IncredibleGord
November 30, 2008, 06:57 PM
Burress to Face Weapon Charge

Plaxico Burress's attorney told the Associated Press he's been informed that the New York Giants wide receiver will face a charge of criminal possession of a weapon.

Benjamin Brafman wrote in an e-mail to the AP that Burress will turn himself in Monday morning and will plead not guilty to the charge.

Burress suffered a thigh wound when he reportedly shot himself in the leg accidentally Friday night at a New York nightclub. According to several reports, Burress was not properly licensed to carry the weapon in New York.

Burress was released from a New York hospital on Saturday. He already had been ruled out of today's game against the Washington Redskins because of a previous hamstring injury.

There also are questions about the role of Giants middle linebacker Antonio Pierce in the incident. Pierce reportedly was with Burress at the New York nightclub at which the shooting took place Friday night.

The New York Daily News reported today that Pierce potentially could face criminal charges as well. Pierce allegedly attempted to hide the gun after the shooting, police sources told the Daily News.

The New York Post reported that, according to records, Burress does not have a permit to carry a gun in New York.

Burress had a concealed-weapon permit issued to him in Florida but records show it expired in May and New York does not recognize out-of-state permits anyway, the newspaper reported. The report in the Daily News indicated the same thing.

Thomas King, the president of the New York Rifle and Pistol Association, told the Post: "New York has the most restrictive pistol-licensing system in the United States. It recognizes absolutely no out-of-state permits. An out-of-stater never has the authority to carry" there.

The Post reported that criminal possession of a loaded weapon is a felony in New York that is punishable by up to a year in prison.

The Daily News reported that Burress faces up to five years in prison for the felony..

Pierce's attorney was in discussions with the police to attempt to prevent Pierce from being charged for his role in the incident, according to the Daily News report. The Daily News reported that Pierce took the gun and put it somewhere in New Jersey after the shooting.

According to the Daily News report, Pierce applied pressure to Burress's wound after the shooting and berated Burress for taking a loaded handgun into the nightclub. Burress told Pierce not to call 911 and initially didn't want to go to the hospital but, after being helped out of the club by Pierce, went to a hospital two hours later with his wife and a friend, the Daily News reported. The Giants reported the incident to police and officers were turned away from Burress's home in New Jersey by his wife around 5 p.m. Saturday, according to the newspaper.

According to the report in the Daily News, Pierce's attorney told police that Pierce would cooperate with the investigation if not charged. A Giants official went to New Jersey on Saturday to retrieve the weapon and turn it over to police but officers still planned to obtain a warrant to search Pierce's car, the Daily News reported.

The Daily News reported that Burress shot himself when he fumbled with the gun after it slipped down his pants leg. Burress initially was turned away at the nightclub because he had a gun but was let in around midnight after telling the club's management that he needed the firearm to protect himself, according to the Daily News.

The Giants indicated in a written statement Saturday that Burress suffered an injury to his right thigh in an accidental shooting Friday. Burress was released from a New York City hospital Saturday afternoon, according to the Giants' statement. The Giants declined to release details of the incident, indicating that it could become a matter for law enforcement officials.

The Giants did not indicate how seriously Burress was hurt but there was a report that he could be ready to play again within a couple weeks.

Burress, 31, also faces possible discipline by the NFL under its personal conduct policy. The Giants indicated in their statement that they'd been in contact with NFL security officials.

The NFL has a gun policy that prohibits players from taking firearms to team- and league-related events. The policy reportedly also warns players about carrying unlicensed firearms, saying that could subject them to league discipline as well as criminal charges.

The NFL guns and weapons policy reads, in part: "If you violate this policy on guns and other weapons, you are subject to discipline, including suspension from playing. And if you violate a public law covering weapons--for example, possession of an unlicensed firearm--you are not only subject to discipline, including suspension from playing, but also subject to criminal prosecution."

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2008/11/burress-to-face-weapon-charge.html

Owen Sparks
November 30, 2008, 07:14 PM
There used to be laws in many states prohibiting negros from owning firearms. Should those laws be reinstated? It seems that the NFL attitude is similar being that most players are black. Or should the right of ALL people to keep and bear arms...never mind. If some idiot shoots himself, EVERYBODY should be prohibited from keeping and bearing arms, right?

Millwright
November 30, 2008, 07:14 PM
Gee.....a player from a NJ team shoots himself in a NYC club.....and he's still on the street. Does "Jason Williams" ring a bell here ?

Why is it so many black sports stars seem to get a "pass" on firearms in the most hoplophobic region of the US when legitimate firearms owners are being made to jump through increasingly smaller hoops - and prosecuted to "fullest extent of the law" when they err ?

Just as the ilk of Drew Pearson, Jimmy Breslin, ect get a CCW in NYC to protect their grand or so pocket change, but a poor bodega owner gets canned for having a gun in his store where his weekly receipts are maybe twice that.... Or, heaven forbid, he shoots a rapist with a record in his daughter's bedroom..... !!! >MW

The_Shootist
November 30, 2008, 07:17 PM
On the bright side, here is guy with enough money to push a court challenge to New York's pistol laws pretty far up the legal food chain, based on violation of 2A rights.


You get a few pricey loudmouth lawyers, you assemble a public relations team that starts spinning by throwing a few punches by comparing New York to 40 odd states in the union with less restrictive laws etc etc. Signal that you are willing to play serious hardball (and have the resources to do it) and NY starts to realize it cost/benefit wise it ain't worth it.

There's no doubt they can get him on something - ND at a nightclub indicates something akin to AT LEAST disorderly conduct. But thats a far cry from ciminal possession. Do you think NY is REALLY willing to risk the status quo over this?

My guess is it gets plead down to some bozo "disturbing the piece" type deal then swept under the carpet real quick.

Owen Sparks
November 30, 2008, 07:21 PM
There used to be laws in many states prohibiting negros from owning firearms. Should those laws be reinstated? It seems that the NFL attitude is similar being that most players are black. Or should the right of ALL people to keep and bear arms...never mind. If some idiot shoots himself, EVERYBODY should be prohibited from keeping and bearing arms, right?

Clipper
November 30, 2008, 07:44 PM
Burress initially was turned away at the nightclub because he had a gun but was let in around midnight after telling the club's management that he needed the firearm to protect himself, according to the Daily News.

Sounds to me like the club should be needing a new manager soon...

Frog48
November 30, 2008, 08:01 PM
Sounds to me like the club should be needing a new manager soon...

Sounds to me like Burress needs to give some thought about the types of places he chooses to frequent. Its totally reasonable to carry concealed because something, somewhere might happen, by some off chance. Its totally different to carry because you're expecting a gunfight.

DAVIDSDIVAD
November 30, 2008, 08:20 PM
Is Plaxico really just some NFL thug with a gun, though?

He did have his Florida permit.

Maybe he is more for RKBA than you guys think.
If so, he needs support, not a mob gathering to watch him hang.

Frog48
November 30, 2008, 08:39 PM
Is Plaxico really just some NFL thug with a gun, though?

He did have his Florida permit.

Which expired last May. And having a permit doesnt make it smart to voluntarily put yourself into bad situations.

And have you been to a nightclub, and seen the folks there? Your "thug with a gun" comment is a pretty accurate description of many nightclub customers.

rscalzo
November 30, 2008, 09:09 PM
He has lost the support of the giant fans and probably his team mates. I was fortunate enough to know the Manning family (at least dad) when my wife worked with him. They don’t put up with that type of behavior.

He will be turning himself in on Monday. That saves the time and expense of having to extradite him back to NYC. The charges are being drawn up and filed.

As for this rocket scientist, he carried the handgun in his waistband when he entered the Latin Quarter. It slipped down his leg where he tried to grab it. Guess what happened next?????

Antonio Pierce was with him along with another Giant’s player. No 9-11 or EMS. The hospital did not report the incident to NYPD until it was in the press. No this mope screws up everyone around him. Totowa is probably ready to ask him to move out of the town. The police are tired of getting the domestic calls from his wife. Maybe his mob lawyer can handle the divorce along with his defense on the gun case.

For this I pay $85 a seat and they want a 2K hit to keep the seats.

As far as Jason Williams, he pretty much lost everything from that case. The civil suit cost him a fortune and his legal fees amount to the gross national product of a small country. If I remember correctly, he still has some charges that will be reheard in court. His problem was trying to cover it up instead of just coming clean. It was nothing more than a stupid accident due to alcohol.

ilbob
November 30, 2008, 09:30 PM
It was nothing more than a stupid accident due to alcohol.
If alcohol was involved, it was no accident.

Geno
November 30, 2008, 09:59 PM
Owen Sparks pondered:

There used to be laws in many states prohibiting negros from owning firearms. Should those laws be reinstated? It seems that the NFL attitude is similar being that most players are black. Or should the right of ALL people to keep and bear arms...never mind. If some idiot shoots himself, EVERYBODY should be prohibited from keeping and bearing arms, right?

Those are the sort of comment that we do not need at THR.

Respectfully,

Doc2005

X-Rap
November 30, 2008, 10:11 PM
Parallel this case with the two combat vets from Ft. Drum and I'll bet the two football stars win.

rbernie
November 30, 2008, 10:25 PM
Those are the sort of comment that we do not need at THR.
Doc, I think you misunderstood. I believe that the poster was comparing the NFLs position on this to more, ah, plantation viewpoints from a thankfully bygone era.

Or maybe NOT so bygone. :(

cobra2411
November 30, 2008, 10:33 PM
If he does NOT get a felony I'll be appalled. So he had a FL permit, that's great, but you have to know the laws of where you intend to carry. NYC is not a gun friendly place. As a responsible gun owner he should have known that. Was he drinking too?

This is a black eye to legal responsible gun owners IMO...

Birddog1911
November 30, 2008, 11:08 PM
While we all think that this action is reprehensible, I do think it is important for all of us to contact that mental midget at ESPN to let him know what we think. Don't let me be the only one to have commented on it.

SaltH2OHokie
November 30, 2008, 11:28 PM
I just want to know what his lawyers strategy here is...he's shot himself in the leg. If we accept that as fact, and also accept that he doesn't have a valid NYC permit...how was he NOT in illegal possession of a concealed weapon?

The_Shootist
November 30, 2008, 11:29 PM
Illegal according to whose laws? I seem to recall some case called Heller that overturned banning weapons of common use.

SaltH2OHokie
November 30, 2008, 11:33 PM
Laws are laws until they are off the books, no?

The_Shootist
November 30, 2008, 11:45 PM
So now NYC laws trump the Constitution?

THE MACHINIST
November 30, 2008, 11:48 PM
because the supreme court said that the second ammendment was an idividual right. so all laws in gun barring states are being reviewed.

The_Shootist
December 1, 2008, 12:03 AM
It would have been better if some guy shot a known sex offender with an unregistered handgun coming into his daughter's bedroom window. But Burress? Charging him with stupidity is a lot easier to swallow than "illegal possession of a handgun" in NYC one of tha last bastions of 2A rights (NOT!)

The DA's come at him with felony criminal gun possession. saying the next time he suits up for a game will be when he's in his 60's when he gets out of jail, then I hope he forgoes some "bling" tosses 2-3 million to his lawyers and says "Nail'em".

Like I said in my above post, get a good public relations team to get up on its hind legs, and howl about "Unconstitutional restrictions", ya slip one of Rev. Al's favorite charites some $$$ so he gets on his soapbox and starts mentioning "endemic rascisim in the NYC legal system..." and things get rapidly interesting. And ugly, if the NYC DA's take a hardline as this guy has the money to push back.


What makes the case even more poetic is - the Night Club refused him entry 'cause he was packing the first time, but let him in the second time???

Jeff White
December 1, 2008, 12:27 AM
Ditka says, "No NFL player should be allowed to have a gun."

Given the number of gangbangers in the NFL, I would imagine a good percentage of them are prohibited persons anyway.

The_Shootist
December 1, 2008, 12:30 AM
Then yeah, that puts things in a different perspective - was this guy a convicted felon?

rbernie
December 1, 2008, 12:34 AM
Since he was a FL CHL holder, I imagine that he was/is not a prohibited person.

Jeff White
December 1, 2008, 12:36 AM
I don't know if he's a convicted felon or not, but I do know that gang influence has been a problem in professional sports for years. ESPN did a special on it at least 10 years ago. I have it on videotape somewhere. The NFL and NBA have the worst problem with it, but it's a problem in all professional sports.

DAVIDSDIVAD
December 1, 2008, 12:49 AM
Which expired last May. And having a permit doesnt make it smart to voluntarily put yourself into bad situations.

And have you been to a nightclub, and seen the folks there? Your "thug with a gun" comment is a pretty accurate description of many nightclub customers.

Well, I've never been to the nightclubs an NFL player with money coming out of his ears goes to.

I doubt the places he frequents are the slums you imagine.


all I'm saying is good for the goose, good for the gander

when in rome

apple doesn't fall far from the tree

a penny saved.

cobra2411
December 1, 2008, 12:55 AM
Anyone have a link to contact them? Post it and lets give em hell...

SaltH2OHokie
December 1, 2008, 12:56 AM
I don't know if he's a convicted felon or not, but I do know that gang influence has been a problem in professional sports for years. ESPN did a special on it at least 10 years ago. I have it on videotape somewhere. The NFL and NBA have the worst problem with it, but it's a problem in all professional sports.

Number two in TV ratings, NASCAR? PGA Golf? LPGA? :what:

Kidding...but seriously, not all :neener:


I doubt the places he frequents are the slums you imagine.


all I'm saying is good for the goose, good for the gander


That's sorta my point...good for the goose, good for the gander: if I went into a bar in North Carolina, I might be a valid permit holder in VA, but that doesn't mean the 2nd amendment now gives me the right to break NC's laws just because I'm an "individual" does it? Nor does it give Plaxico the "right" to head into a prohibited place in NYC with a gun...I'd expect to be arrested if caught with my gun, and I can't think of a defense that would get me off, so I'm curious what his is going to be.

woofe
December 1, 2008, 01:06 AM
What a dumb a$$

The_Shootist
December 1, 2008, 01:16 AM
So what would be a "prohibited" place in NYC , besides the whole city in an environment that may be in complete violation of the 2A given the recent Heller ruling???

Its one thing to say a bar in Texas/NC/Va is "prohibited" as those states have a codifed CHL program - in New York its pretty much a ban on "weapons of common use".

Indeed, suppose I'm a non-drinker who wouldn't consume alcoholic beverages anyway, even those laws look discrimnatory.

7.62X25mm
December 1, 2008, 04:00 AM
Oregon allows CCW in bars, taverns, restaurants serving liquor.

You can drink and have the gun, CCW, even open carry in most places.

You cannot be under the influence, even if you're sitting around a campfire out in the woods on a hunting expedition.

blutarsky
December 1, 2008, 04:13 AM
10 to 1 it was a Glock!

that was my first thought as well, and i bet quite a few other people had the same. i'm not a glock hater, but the thought still came to mind ;) that being said, i just saw this:

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081201/SPORTS/812010334/-1/SPORTS
... Burress, police said, did not have a permit to carry a gun in New York City. A law enforcement official said that the gun, a Glock semiautomatic pistol, was recovered at Burress’ home in Totowa, N.J....

leadcounsel
December 1, 2008, 09:50 AM
I'd like to see him charged and FIGHT it and win on constitutional grounds. Little guys can't afford the lawsuit, but he has a large enough bankroll to fight it.

Too bad he's not the best postchild for gun rights. It could go very badly for the 2A solely based on his persona and the facts (ND in a crowded nightclub).

ilbob
December 1, 2008, 11:27 AM
When I first read this story I figured it was another thug NFL player at some dive. I gather from the description in one of the papers that the "nightclub" is not exactly a dive.

What I cannot understand is that according to a report I read the security people at the "nightclub" initially would not let him in because he had a gun, but later on did let him in, knowing he had a gun.

His chances of winning against a charge of concealed carry is nil on constitutional grounds. He probably would have to show he applied and was turned down.

I think he is toast, although the situation is adequately muddled enough that a slick lawyer might be able to do him some good.

flphotoguy
December 1, 2008, 11:57 AM
Burress is not going to go down alone. He was with Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce who allegedly brought the gun back to Burress' home in New Jersey. The night club security let him in when they knew he had a weapon and then covered up the incident when it happened. The same thing happened at the hospital where Burress gave a false name and story. That doesn't matter, hospitals are required to report all gun shot incidents. Buress had a Florida permit that he let expire in May. You can't carry in a bar in Florida unless you are seated in a separate restaurant section that is serving food, which doesn't matter since there is no reciprocity and his permit was invalid anyway.

This whole situation is going to play out like another OJ trial.

Art Eatman
December 1, 2008, 12:29 PM
Per this morning's news, he's turning himself in. Lawyers and all that.

Enuf harumphing and venting.

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