Heavier 9mm semiautos


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Corner Pocket
November 30, 2008, 10:13 AM
I only have one 9mm firearm, a very inexpensive Hi-Point, model C9. I bought it as a truck gun, and for its use, it serves its purpose well.

All of the semiautos I own are the "teflon" variety. I have been thinking lately of looking into acquiring a 9mm that has the older, heavier-type frame. (Is it aluminum they are made of?) Since I know little about such metal-framed guns, I'd appreciate your help. Does anyone still make such a pistol? I'm open to your insights and thoughts on the matter... (Though I'd probably prefer buying new, buying a used piece is no problem.)

Corner Pocket

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Deanimator
November 30, 2008, 10:23 AM
Browning High Power
CZ75B
M1911 (various sizes)
Beretta 92
Taurus PT92
Various SIGs
Various Rugers
S&W 59xx and 39xx
Jericho 951/Baby Desert Eagle
EAA Witness
Armalite AR24

And that leaves out more obscure brands.

You've got a lot of choices.

gitnsige
November 30, 2008, 10:34 AM
I like the CZ 75 B (full size) and PCR (compact but heavy). I own the PCR and its a great shooter.

Walkalong
November 30, 2008, 11:46 AM
The CZ pistols, as noted, or a Witness "CZ like" pistol. The Witness Elite Match models are extremely accurate, have a real nice SA trigger, and recoil of the 9MM from them is mild.

j1979
November 30, 2008, 11:47 AM
I just bought a DW PM9 in 9mm. 1911's also make for a great, all steel 9mm.

shamus
November 30, 2008, 11:50 AM
cz-75b and Hi-Powers: all steel, steel frame.

Beretta's and Tauruses have aluminum frames and will be a smidge lighter.

rbernie
November 30, 2008, 12:09 PM
I would recommend that you look to a pistol line for which you can immediately afford to buy a number of normal-capacity (15rds) magazines from the pistol manufacturer or MecGar.

I am most fond of the P226 Sig, and very much like the 92F/PT92 and CZ75. Mecgar makes magazines for all three of these, and these magazines can be had for less than $25/each.

Zesty
November 30, 2008, 12:54 PM
CZ75B SP-01

The light rail adds some decent heft to the muzzle end. Personally I find the gun more ergonomic/comfortable than the standard CZ75B. It is a very heavy, all steel high-cap(19+1) and is the most comfortable gun I have ever held. The weight makes shooting it very fun. The SP-01 also has night sights, rubber grips, beveled magwell, extended beavertail, and a little front/rear grip stippling if you're into that sort of thing. The only thing holding it back is the trigger, which is no worse than any other CZ.

highorder
November 30, 2008, 01:18 PM
You should have no problem finding a S&W 5906, used police issue, for around $300.00

They are stainless steel slide and frame, and as reliable as they come.

jocko
November 30, 2008, 01:45 PM
K9 all stainless, double action.

Bubba613
November 30, 2008, 01:48 PM
Ditto on the Smith 59-series. If you can find a "Tactical9" so much the better. These are incredible bargains in a quality used gun.

JR47
November 30, 2008, 01:51 PM
Don't forget the "69" series S&W, compact, alloy frame, and hold 12 rounds of 9mm.:)

DawgFvr
November 30, 2008, 04:05 PM
The Stoeger Cougar is a commander size, all metal 9mm...and ya, it's heavy compared to my Glock.

What? Heavy? Are you going to use your pistol as a hammer.

trekgod3
November 30, 2008, 04:32 PM
If you can find 'em try out a Star. My model BM is a great, reliable shooter and heavy as a brick.

Pilot
November 30, 2008, 05:04 PM
For a compact pistol the HK P7's are heavy.

22lr
November 30, 2008, 05:06 PM
Look at 3rd gen Smiths, like the 5906. Great guns accurate as all get out and you can get very good deals on them.

BlindJustice
November 30, 2008, 05:23 PM
CZ 75B - 15 + 1 cap. cast steel & frame, and a
hammer forged 4.9" barrel - weight empty = 35.2 oz.

It's a got a frame mounted thumb safety, so the
hammer has to be manually lowered for Double Action
(DA) first shot, with subsequent Single Action (SA)
shots, though it could be carried Condition One, Cocked
and Locked for first shot. I got one in May and have
over 1,000 rounds without any FTF/FTEs. It is also very
accurate and the weight absorbs recoil very well for
range sessions.

Randall

Corner Pocket
December 1, 2008, 08:42 AM
I really appreciate the replies to my query. I've never really "dug in" to possible choices in the 9mm world, and this is indeed helpful. I confess that I am partial to semiautos that have exposed hammers, so that will help me pare down the possible candidates... :) Thanks again!

CP

robctwo
December 1, 2008, 10:43 AM
S&W 952-2. Heavy, single action, accurate, low mag capacity (9) and relatively expensive. I like everything about mine except the safety.

jlh26oo
December 1, 2008, 03:43 PM
All steel 1911's, S.S. frame full-swize Sigs, Kahr T9, S&W 952 if you're not on a budget, and maybe Baby Eagle & Beretta to some extent. O.T.O.H. there are others, available (at this time).

BCRider
December 1, 2008, 03:50 PM
The CZ SP-01 Shadow comes with the competition trigger right out of the box. The DA pull is a touch rough at first (probably EVERY new DA gun suffers the same thing) but some dry firing smoothened mine up nicely. The SA pull was butter smooth from the get go. Nice heft and great sights for lining up fast thanks to the stock fiber front sight.

Another all steel and very fun range gun is the STI Trojan in 9mm. Classic single stack 1911 feel and enough heft to suck up the sharp recoil of the 9mm and get back onto the target again. The only issue, if it is of concern, is that being single stack you can only get 9 rounds in the magazine. But if this is for range fun then it's something to just work around.

The other personal favourite that was in the front running for my first pistol before I got the opportunity to test fire and buy the Shadow was the IMI Baby Eagle. It's a CZ clone as well but with a few minor changes that alter the feel. A nice gun to shoot and again all steel.

JImbothefiveth
December 1, 2008, 03:58 PM
What? Heavy? Are you going to use your pistol as a hammer?
Heavy means less recoil.

hemiram
December 1, 2008, 05:29 PM
I don't understand why anyone doesn't want a heavy gun! Less recoil, stronger, and if it jams or breaks, a better hunk of metal to hit someone with.

Corner Pocket
December 2, 2008, 08:24 AM
Thanks again to all who have replied. I like what I'm seeing out there in CZ-land, and that is likely where I'll find my next toy...

CP
'glad to have found this place!' :)

ezenbrowntown
December 2, 2008, 03:42 PM
Ruger P-Series. Recoil is more than managable, plus they're extremely durable. If you run out of ammo, it would also make an excellent club!

golden
December 2, 2008, 04:59 PM
POCKET,

I can personally recommed:

BERETTA 92
SIG 226
SMITH&WESSON 5900 pistols (there are many variants)

I have experience with these guns and can recommend them.

Jim

sophijo
December 2, 2008, 05:26 PM
go to Summit Gunbroker and check out their 3rd generation SW's .

RPCVYemen
December 2, 2008, 08:07 PM
Armalite AR24

I really like the heft of the AR24.

Mike

IMTHDUKE
December 2, 2008, 08:25 PM
http://photos.gafana.com/photos/1646252660996533867395.share.jpg

shamus
December 2, 2008, 11:24 PM
HK stopped making those,

T191032
December 2, 2008, 11:44 PM
There are many out there. You've indicated the CZs look tempting. I shot a CZ-75 in .40 S&W (had ambi safety on it too!) that belonged to my insurance man once. Nice.

The S&W Model 5906, which is a 9mm Parabellum, Stainless Steel slide and frame model (mine had the Adjustable sights) was my first handgun. If I was to go back and do it again, I would have gotten the alloy frame 5903 going autoloader. Or skipped it and went to a good Browning Hi-Power!

Pilot
December 2, 2008, 11:46 PM
HK stopped making those,


So what? Surplus P7's have flooded in from Germany. New or like new P7M8's are widely available.

Corner Pocket
December 8, 2008, 10:59 AM
Thanks again for all responses. I've now narrowed my choice down between three models of the CZ pistols. I'm not in a great hurry to "pull the trigger" on a purchase (so to speak), but I definitely see a CZ coming my way soon. (Perhaps by way of Santa's sleigh.) :D

Corner Pocket

seeker_two
December 8, 2008, 05:34 PM
Ruger P-Series. Recoil is more than managable, plus they're extremely durable. If you run out of ammo, it would also make an excellent club!

I second the motion....either the P89 or P95 would meet your needs perfectly...

jocko
December 8, 2008, 05:39 PM
Kahr K9, super handgun.

searcher451
December 8, 2008, 09:20 PM
Check out both the Walther P5 and the Walther P88. They tend to be a fistful; both are great guns.

j1979
December 8, 2008, 09:44 PM
For the price I think CZ SP-01 are great. In my experience with mine it has been crazy accurate, reliable, and a great looking gun for just over 500 bucks. Cant go wrong with it.

moph759fl
December 8, 2008, 10:44 PM
Beretta 9000S, 12+1 9MM, rated for +P, +P+ and SMG 9MM. Great pistol if you can find one, good price now and even better if it fits your hand.

PAPACHUCK
December 9, 2008, 07:27 AM
Sig P229 CPO

'nuff said.

GregGry
December 9, 2008, 07:50 AM
CZ sp-01. Mine came with night sights, 2 18 round mags, and it looks good. Hold one, you will be sold. Trust me.

Kestral
December 9, 2008, 08:25 AM
One very good one for consistant use is the Jericho 941 ( Baby Eagle type) or 941F in 40 cal.or of course the Hi.Power.Kestral

gtmtnbiker98
December 9, 2008, 08:55 AM
Sig P229 Stainless Elite, so long as you have an extra grand lying around.

Boba Fett
December 10, 2008, 01:17 AM
+1 for the Baby Eagle.

Darn things are so incredibly accurate especially in 9mm. If you can find one of the old Jericho 941 and are willing to shell out the bucks, go for it. Otherwise, just check out the current Baby Eagles. Go plink a few boxes with one and you will never regret it.

And +1 to any CZ, Witness, Baby Eagle, etc. heritage of gun just the same.

ConstantineJ9
December 10, 2008, 01:19 AM
Ruger all the way

knicks118
December 10, 2008, 11:50 PM
http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/Pics/Misc/arcus-94/arcus-2.jpg

This bad boy weighs a ton and works perfectly.

moi_self26
December 10, 2008, 11:58 PM
I hate the H&K P7. I don't know what it is about that stupid grip squeeze that irritates me so much, but it does.

Borch
December 11, 2008, 01:16 AM
Any Smith and Wesson 3rd generation 9mm would be perfect.

don95sml
December 11, 2008, 08:39 PM
Guys, the OP said he favors CZs, so why keep beating a dead horse? Besides, I think he made an excellent decision.

ConstantineJ9
December 11, 2008, 09:23 PM
If he wants a Cz let him get it.

Jkwas
December 11, 2008, 10:15 PM
I can vouch for the P89. It's my heavy artillery

http://guns4u.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/p89th.jpg

ConstantineJ9
December 11, 2008, 10:51 PM
Well I think the p89 does look good and I know from personal experience of a very used p89 that it will feed anything and not jam ever.

Brian41
December 12, 2008, 10:40 AM
I can vouch for the P89. It's my heavy artillery



+1

That's a gun that is guaranteed to work perfectly longer than you will!!

Saw one used at a local store for $199 the other day... probably should have bought it. P89 was my first auto-loader, traded it to my brother in law a year ago, They are excellent guns!

krs
December 12, 2008, 01:31 PM
But, but.....I just got a used German police surplus Sig P226 for $365. and am now in danger of becoming a Sig convert.

What a sweet shooting pistol! 15+1 9mm, with the cleanest breaking trigger outside of my 1911 target guns along with the smoothest lightest DA pull I've ever experienced. Spot on accuracy even with Wolf ammo too.

An awesome pistol well worth their much higher prices.

:) What CZ? Oh, yeah.......CZ's are nice too, kinda'

polekitty
December 12, 2008, 09:24 PM
This is a slightly sideways reply----on the matter of extra mags, I have several extras from MecGar. They have been more reliable than my originals, and are all metal---no plastic followers

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