[Mark Tyson]

SKS Assault Rifle Fired at Chicago Police Officers Illustrates Need to Strengthen and Re-Authorize the Federal Assault Weapons Ban

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U.S. Newswire

September 19, 2003 Friday

Chicago police officers were fired upon by an assailant who used an SKS semi-automatic assault rifle last Saturday, September 13th. Chicago police officers returned fire and killed the assailant, 23-year-old Shurron Grant.

Although no police officers were injured in the tragic shooting, the incident illustrates the threat of immense firepower that faces Illinois police officers with the availability of assault rifles on the streets. According to FBI statistics, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons. The shooting on September 13th marked the one-year countdown before the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expires unless Congress takes action.


"Exactly one year from the date that the Federal Assault Weapons Ban will sunset, Chicago police officers came under fire from an assault rifle. It's time for President Bush and every member of Congress to act and get assault rifles off our streets," said Thom Mannard, Executive Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

Just one month earlier, on August 13th, 2003, two teenage boys were involved in a gang battle armed with an AK-47 when police arrested them. Incidents like these demonstrate the easy availability of assault weapons in Illinois and across the country.

"Despite the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, many assault rifles are still easily available because the gun industry has willfully circumvented the ban and created a new class of 'post-ban' assault rifles," continued Mannard. "By making minor cosmetic changes to banned assault rifles, the gun industry continues to sell military-style semi-automatic weapons. This is why the Assault Weapons Ban needs to be strengthened and not repealed."

HR 2038, introduced by Representative Carolyn McCarthy (NY), as well as S 1431, introduced by New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg, would effectively close dangerous loopholes in the 1994 ban and get assault weapons off of the streets.

SOURCE: Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
http://www.usnewswire.com


CONTACT: Thom Mannard of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, 312-341-0939 or 847-997-3020 (cell)

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[Hkmp5sd]

About the only correct statement in the entire article was that the AW ban goes away next year. :rolleyes:

[El Tejon]

What complete stupidity! Yeah, all those Chicago, Illinois and federal gun laws are preventing these crimes in the first place.

It is great to see the anti-freedom movement wildly cast about for ammo!:D

[TallPine]

September 19, 2013 Friday

Chicago police officers were fired upon by an assailant who used an Remington bolt action sniper rifle last Saturday, September 13th. Chicago police officers returned fire and killed the assailant, 23-year-old Shurron Grant.

Although no police officers were injured in the tragic shooting, the incident illustrates the threat of immense firepower that faces Illinois police officers with the availability of sniper rifles on the streets. According to FBI statistics, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 2008, and December 31, 2011, were killed with sniper weapons. The shooting on September 13th marked the one-year countdown before the Federal Sniper Rifle Ban expires unless Congress takes action.


"Exactly one year from the date that the Federal Sniper Rifle Ban will sunset, Chicago police officers came under fire from a sniper rifle. It's time for President Hilary Clinton and every member of Congress to act and get sniper rifles off our streets," said Thom Mannard, Executive Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

Just one month earlier, on August 13th, 2003, two teenage boys were involved in a gang battle armed with a Marlin 25 sniper rifle when police arrested them. Incidents like these demonstrate the easy availability of sniper weapons in Illinois and across the country.

"Despite the 2004 Federal Sniper Rifle Ban, many sniper rifles are still easily available because the gun industry has willfully circumvented the ban and created a new class of 'post-ban' sniper rifles," continued Mannard. "By making minor cosmetic changes to banned sniper rifles, the gun industry continues to sell military-style sniper weapons. This is why the Sniper Rifle Ban needs to be strengthened and not repealed."

[C.R.Sam]

Good point TallPine.

Then will come the Assult shotguns.

The line must be advanced, if only held we lose.

Sam

[Standing Wolf]

TallPine:

Well said.

[Ian]

Just one month earlier, on August 13th, 2003, two teenage boys were involved in a gang battle armed with an AK-47 when police arrested them. Incidents like these demonstrate the easy availability of assault weapons in Illinois and across the country.
And now let's consider the near certainty that one of more of the participants possessed illegal narcotics. Does this demonstration of the easy availability of illegal narcotics lead us to believe that the problem would be solved if illegal narcotics were prohibited? Hmm.

[EJ]

Is this media mental giant saying the shooting is tragic because NO police officers were kiled??????


Although no police officers were injured in the tragic shooting :rolleyes:

[AZRickD]

Along with the illegal narcotics supposition above, if the antis really want to reduce crime (violence or otherwise), they should abandon the intense amount of effort used to ban guns and instead, use that money, influence and organization to end the war on drugs which, like the war on alcohol 75 years ago, increased crime and empowered organized and unorganized crime.

But they won't do that, will they?

Rick

[Hkmp5sd]

I think that if the democrats/liberals truly wanted to reduce crime, help the economy, help the enviroment, create more jobs, rid the world of terrorism, feed the homeless and save the whales, the best thing they could do is renounce their citizenship and immigrate to Cuba en masse.

[WonderNine]

Of course not, there's too much money to be made to ever legalize drugs!

[standingbear]

hk..cuba is too close.the war on drugs is out of control in that it cant be contained and with each passing law it does nothing to affect the criminal element but bring more "firepower" against people that are non participants.it makes criminals become more and more agressive as well as those inforcing it.meanwhile everyone else is stuck in the crossfire.it makes those of us that legally enjoy collecting and shooting sks and such..viewed as some kind of nutcase.it cant be contained because the sources are in other countries as well as here,people will do as they do..hedonistic perhaps.if theres money to be made easily then they will do it.give em all a 1 way ticket to antartica and all the needles and junk they can carry.give the do gooders the same,then they can leave the rest of us alone.

[Tamara]

Although no police officers were injured in the tragic shooting, the incident illustrates the threat of immense firepower that faces Illinois police officers with the availability of assault rifles on the streets.

How happy they must be that somebody finally shot at cops with a semiautomatic longarm. Okay, so it wasn't an AK or AR, but it is Chinese, and therefore doubleplusscary. :rolleyes:

[greyhound]

Drugs and gangs. Drugs and gangs. Drugs and gangs.

If the leftists ever got their heads out of their you-know-whats and finally faced up to the facts that the crime problem is drugs and gangs, not guns.....:banghead:


Problem is, drugs and gangs are HARD problems to deal with. Much EASIER to take guns away from the law abiding citizens and then trumpet to the sheeple, "Look what we've done to reduce crime!"
:fire:

[Brian Dale]

"By making minor cosmetic changes to banned assault rifles..." What in the world does this have to do with an SKS? This article is a grab-bag of unrelated snippets of gun-grabbing hysteria.

I hope I'm not straying too far from your intended topic here, Mark; I saw a related phenomenon yesterday. At an art show and street festival in (the liberal maelstrom of) Durham, NC, I chatted with a "nice lady" at the "Parents of Murdered Children" booth. By "nice lady," I mean to say that she had good manners, in spite of promulgating a social philosophy worthy of Pol Pot and Chairman Mao.

There were petitions on her table against the release of a number of murderers (good idea), many of whom used knives. I won't ever suggest that losing a child could be anything other than a crushing blow. The results do not follow, though. How would legislating against my guns do anything but make the community LESS safe? - I didn't ask. I just picked up copies of her literature. The literature was all national-level stuff: Ctr to Prevent Hangun Violence, silentmarch.org ("Common Sense = tighten trigger pulls" :confused: and lies about lack of regulation), and full of made-up data from Kellerman's JAMA paper (16 children killed by guns every day, 43 times more likely ... :barf: )and the like. It's all still in print, being passed out.

The point of my writing about this? The literature had:
Not one word about drugs.
Not one word about alcohol abuse.
Not one word about gangs.

The "nice lady" spoke mostly about "violence" as a bad thing. I didn't say, "You see that cop over there? The only reason that he's an effective deterrent against BGs while he's standing there is that he represents and can call forth the application of violence. He embodies Force on behalf of good. Without him, you're at the mercy of the BGs."

I didn't argue with her. I'll save my breath for my legislators.

"Exactly one year from the date that the Federal Assault Weapons Ban will sunset, Chicago police officers came under fire from an assault rifle. It's time for President Bush and every member of Congress to act and get assault rifles off our streets," said Thom Mannard, Executive Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

I wonder who paid the shooter when this was set up?

[Combat-wombat]

:barf:

[LiquidTension]

Ah yes, the predictions are coming true. Speak up if you're surprised that this conveniently happened on a somewhat significant date.


[silence]


Speak up if you think we'll have LESS news coverage of shootings involving "assault weapons" in the next year, even if the actual number of such shootings declines.



[pin drops]


But seriously guys, what else would you expect out of the Ignorance Mecca that is Chicago?

[Shamaya]

Title of this thread:"SKS Assault Rifle Fired at Chicago Police Officers"With the "Chicago Anti Gun Enforcement" unit (C.A.G.E.), they have earned much worse.

Read this:Why Fear an Armed Public? (http://KeepAndBearArms.com/information/Item.asp?ID=3611)
by Larken Rose
"...in an effort to terrorize me into shutting up (under the guise of a “search warrant”), the IRS staged an armed invasion of my home, stole most of my computers (which I have since gotten back), and all of my financial records."Chicago PD's C.A.G.E. NAZIS behave like that, over firearms, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

So my response to the title of this thread is SO WHAT?!! Sounds like KARMA rearing its ugly head.

The gun banners will do everything in their power to renew the federal "assault weapons" ban, and Busch will keep with family tradition and sign the gun ban bill when it hits his desk. No news here.

[Shamaya]

Drugs and gangs. Drugs and gangs. Drugs and gangs.

If the leftists ever got their heads out of their you-know-whats and finally faced up to the facts that the crime problem is drugs and gangs, not guns.....Hey. Maybe they should ban drugs and gangs, so this kinda stuff wouldn't happen. Why not? It worked really well when they banned alcohol. :D

Our mortal foes know exactly what they are doing. They need highly-valued "drugs" banned, to foment the expansion of profit-driven "gangs" -- so they CAN crack down on YOUR GUN COLLECTION. It's all part of the STEAL EVERY LAST VESTIGE OF LIBERTY movement making its way further into your life every day.

The evidence of the "drug war" as a tool to eradicate freedom is well documented. But probably a third to a half of the gun owners in this nation are too stupid to face these facts or even consider them. And that's by design, too. The "drug warriors" got churches turned out against a harmless (compared to alcohol) weed. Brilliant move. And most cops these days will enforce any law written. Perfect recipe for tyranny -- and for what it will take to stop it.

Got ammo?

[USAFA]

Is there any way to confirm this story? Anyone have any hookups either in the coroners office or on the police force? It just all seems a little bit too symetrical to me, a little too perfect.

[TheEgg]

According to FBI statistics, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons.

I looked at the UCR on the FBI web site and cannot verify this. I can't find the "type of weapon" broken down to "assault weapons", only to handguns, rifles, shotguns, feet and hands, etc. I did not find the "Rifle" column identifying type of rifle.

From the statics in the UCR, it looks to me like you would have to assume that every officer killed by a "rifle" was killed by an "assault rifle" to get even close to this, and it looks like even if you make this assumption, you don't get to 20%

Anybody else know where this stat is coming from == I have seen it used in severl news articles the last week or so.????

[TallPine]

Anybody else know where this stat is coming from
Thin air, maybe ....?

One person makes up a statistic and five others cite the first as a source, so now it's a proven fact :rolleyes:

[El Tejon]

Pssst, TheEgg, they are lying. That's what socialists do, they lie as they have to.

[Nightfall]

"It's time for President Bush and every member of Congress to act and get assault rifles off our streets,"

And illegal rifles on the street will be removed by preventing legal sales to law-abiding citizens. Right.

According to FBI statistics, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons.

Yeah, surprise, no specific link to this source was provided. And looking at the most recent copy of the UCR as well, I see no such statistic. Nothing even close.

...two teenage boys were involved in a gang battle armed with an AK-47 when police arrested them.

Two gang bangers (both of whom were murder suspects, IIRC) trying to commit illegal acts (murder) in a place where guns were already banned (school), in a city where guns are virtually banned (Chicago), using weapons that they weren't legally old enough to buy, possibly with a completely illegal weapon firearm altogether. Among other legal infractions. This will be stopped by extending a law which failed to stop this the first time. Okay! I can't help but notice that everytime there is a story like this, the anti gunners are trying to convince people that a law which failed to prevent that particular shooting needs to be extended to... prevent shootings. :scrutiny:

SKS Assault Rifle Fired at Chicago Police Officers Illustrates Need to Strengthen and Re-Authorize the Federal Assault Weapons Ban

A failed shooting is supposed to convince me of the lethality of assault rifles? "Man attempts to stab police officer with plastic spork, fails. Ban is pushed to prevent other failed stabbings!" :rolleyes:

[Henry Bowman]

Very few people, especially journalists, understand what "tragic" means. :rolleyes:

[Carlos Cabeza]

But you guys know it's the guns fault........................If there weren't these types of guns these kids would be role models of society. Boy Scouts helping little old ladies across the street, doing volunteer cleanup programs, having father/son outings and picnics, making good grades. SERIOUSLY ! ! ! ! :rolleyes:

[alan]

Re this latest "news story", does anyone, anywhere know of any way at all to get media to quit lying, and to simply tell the truth? I'm terrinbly curious as to that.

Mod 1 on the article the tale of that bolt action sniper rifle was very well said.

[NukemJim]

Is there any way to confirm this story? Anyone have any hookups either in the coroners office or on the police force? It just all seems a little bit too symetrical to me, a little too perfect.

Cannot confirm all the details, but yeah it happened. I have a friend who is on the force in Chicago.

NukemJim

[Richardson]

How does a gun which does not have the essential feature of a so called "assault weapon" (the detachable magazine) earn such a claim to fame?:rolleyes:

Richardson

[alan]

Richardson wrote:

"How does a gun which does not have the essential feature of a so called "assault weapon" (the detachable magazine) earn such a claim to fame? "

The "essential feature" you speak of, which is in fact conspiciously lacking in and with SKS rifles is SELECTIVE FIRE CAPABILITY, at least according to Dept. of The Army, Dept. of Defense as well as standard reference texts that deal with small arms.

[TallPine]

An "assault weapon" is now anything that the media chooses to call an "asault weapon"

[Richardson]

Alan,

Note that I was speaking of the essential feature of a so called "assault weapon.

I know the terminology is bogus. But even if we buy into their terminology, as codified in the '94 Assault Weapon Ban, the SKS doesn't fit the criteria.

As Tallpine noted, the media just uses the term loosely, or actually in complicity with those who want to ban all guns.

Richardson