32ACP loading idea


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mtnbkr
September 20, 2003, 01:36 PM
I saw this tool years ago on www.sixgunner.com:
http://www.hanned.com/22-sgb3v.html

Based on the word of people that used it, it worked very well and as advertised. Effect on game was surprising. I personally have never used it though.

Take a look at these bullets:
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/689363

They're too heavy for 32ACP. However, take a bit off the end with a 32ACP sized SGB and get it into the weight range of a standard 32ACP and you'll get a wider meplat. If you loaded it long enough for the P32 magazine to avoid rimlock, you would have a reliable load with a bit more "slap" than RN. Plus, it would cut a hole closer to actual caliber than RN.

What do you guys think? I think it could bridge the gap between RN and HP ammo in terms of performance and reliability.

Of course, if anyone knows of a 60-75gr full (or semi) wadcutter sized to .311-.312, I'd be happy with that as well. :)

Chris

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HSMITH
September 20, 2003, 02:17 PM
The SGB 22 shells DO work. To try them easily buy some, CCI makes a commercial version. Not only do they work they exibit super accuracy in all guns I have tried them in, they shoot like Green Tag!!!

Your idea has a lot of merit. If you can get a wide meplat bullet to cycle you should be in tall cotton.....

Sunray
September 21, 2003, 01:37 AM
Screwing with bullets doesn't work. Just like filing a cross or cutting off the point on an FMJ does nothing, so will filing a bullet, any bullet, will just bugger it up.
"...Hollow-point and hyper-velocity rimfire ammo will stop small game well, but it's expensive and destroys most of the valuable meat..." This is nonsense. Pack a 2, or more, foot long cardboard box jammed packed with newspapers and fire a .22 HP into it. Rummage through the papers until you find the bullet. Most of it is there. .22 HP's are not jacketed and they open quite nicely. This tool is pure BS and a total waste of money.

Archie
September 21, 2003, 08:55 AM
the amount of time and effort needed, and the fairly piddling velocity of 32 ACP to begin, I don't think this would give a lot of advantage.

Dave R
September 21, 2003, 07:46 PM
MTN, I think its a great idea. Long ago, I read on www.ktog.org in the P-32 section about someone who'd tested lots of different kinds of .32acp ammo. I think Fiocci had a flat-point round and it did best in the testing. Was it GoldenLoki who had it?

Anyway, it makes sense to me that a bigger meplat would give you a better wound channel. African big-game hunters use that idea, and they are using bullets that weigh a lot more, but are not going really fast.

Try it and let us know how it turns out. That's the fun of reloading, right? Trying things like this. Just stay safe.

HSMITH
September 21, 2003, 08:39 PM
Sunray, how many small game animals have you shot with the SGB type bullets? How many with standard bullets? Newspaper is not even close to flesh either.

I have used the SGB bullets and they WORK. The animals are DRT, and damage to pelts and meat is acceptable. Accuracy is better than ANY high or hyper velocity bullet I have ever seen also.

mtnbkr
September 21, 2003, 09:51 PM
MTN, I think its a great idea. Long ago, I read on www.ktog.org in the P-32 section about someone who'd tested lots of different kinds of .32acp ammo. I think Fiocci had a flat-point round and it did best in the testing. Was it GoldenLoki who had it?

I think it was GoldenLoki. Existing flat-point ammo is disapointing. The Meplat is rather small.

I don't know when I'll get around to trying this. First, I have to find some way to duplicate the SGB tool for a heavy .312 bullet. I figured it would be easier to modify the bullet before loading (the 22lr version works on loaded rounds). It'll take some experimenting too. Gotta find out how much to remove from a given bullet to get it into the 32acp weight range. That probably means sticking to a specific bullet or a specific type. This won't be a very flexible system.

I'd drop this idea in a second if someone could point me in the direction of some 32acp appropriate wadcutters.

Chris

Mike Irwin
September 22, 2003, 06:25 PM
Me Plat you Chris?

Why don't you have someone cut you a custom set of bullet molds?

mtnbkr
September 22, 2003, 08:09 PM
Why don't you have someone cut you a custom set of bullet molds?

The thought had crossed my mind. I'm not sure I want to cast bullets right now though.

Besides, aren't custom molds really expensive? I've never priced them, they could be quite inexpensive.

Chris

Mike Irwin
September 23, 2003, 02:08 AM
20 years ago they weren't all that bad.

I don't know what they are today.

Heck, you might even be able to have a set of existing molds modified.

mtnbkr
September 23, 2003, 10:30 AM
Heck, you might even be able to have a set of existing molds modified.

Believe it or not, that idea crossed my mind too. :)

Casting, new molds, etc are too much work and expense though. My idea was to get the bullet in question, figure out how much to remove from the end, and get a machinist aquaintance of mine to drill a hole that matches the bullet in a block of steel, including the curve of the bullet towards the end. Drop new bullet in said block and use a file to remove the excess sticking out of the hole. That's how the SGB tool works based on the description.


Chris

Mike Irwin
September 23, 2003, 12:47 PM
"Casting, new molds, etc are too much work and expense though."

Waah waah waah!

I can't tell who's crying more at this point, you or your daughter! :)

You can cast with an old steel spoon, a blow torch, and a bullet mold. God knows I've done that enough over the years.

God, given what you've just described as the process for modifying bullets, you could cast 5 in the time that it would take to file away one!

mtnbkr
September 23, 2003, 01:22 PM
I did some searching and found that Lee will produce a custom mold for $100+cost of mold (same price as regular mold though). That's not as bad as I expected. I'm going to make sure the bullet I want doesn't exist first.

Chris

Mike Irwin
September 23, 2003, 01:39 PM
But wait! That's too expensive! Casting is too time consuming! You don't want to get involved in it!

I'd better shut up before you have Scruffy maul me! :D

Yeah I didn't think the cost was all that prohibitive, really.

45 2.1
September 23, 2003, 03:04 PM
NEI Handtools makes a 60 gr. flatnose mold that is excellant for the 32 ACP. In walthers I can get 950 fps and it really has some punch for such a little caliber. Try www.neihandtools.com

mtnbkr
September 23, 2003, 03:41 PM
I found this one at that site:

http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/312-77-pb-bob-davis.jpg

Chris

45 2.1
September 23, 2003, 03:46 PM
mtnbkr-
You have the right one. I cast mine out of wheelweights and size to .311".

45 2.1
September 23, 2003, 03:49 PM
mtnbkr-
Sorry, it looks like that, but it weighs 60 gr. (actual weight and as listed at the time). I got mine about 2 years before Walt passed away. They might have changed the weight.

Clark
September 24, 2003, 12:53 PM
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

I like to run my P32 with hot loads.
Real hot loads with 110 gr. SP .308 bullets can recoil so hard that the pistol's hold open shears off.
Real hot loads with Speer .312" 85 gr. JHP can get dug into by the extracting case rim. See picture.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=278390

So I have Settled on 60 gr. Gold Dot bullets.
The do great expansion in wet phone books and they don't have the above problems.
I like Power Pistol.

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A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian.

mtnbkr
September 24, 2003, 01:16 PM
How do heavy (80gr-100gr) bullets perform at moderate velocities? I assume heavier springs are in order. How's penetration, accuracy, and gun performance?

I'd really like a SWC or WC type bullet, but they're all 90+grains and most are .313 and larger (National Bullet has some .312 SWC and WC, but they're 95grains).

What kind of penetration and velocity did you get with your 85gr and 60gr loads?


Chris

Clark
September 25, 2003, 12:04 AM
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Book loads and factory loads go through about 1" of kiln dried number two grade Douglas Fir.

Hot handloads will go through up to 5" of the same wood.

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