AK Optics Help Please


November 30, 2008, 09:45 PM
I am working on a WASR and am thinking of getting a sight rail and red dot sight. The steel sights are pretty poor and I think I can do better. Does anyone have any ideas on what kind of rail and optics that have worked good for you?

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November 30, 2008, 09:52 PM
ultimak for the rail

November 30, 2008, 10:31 PM
Best approaches I see:

Ultimak (replacement gas tube with rail) + red dot. Very expensive, requires a quality red dot (can get very hot, cheap dot might not hold up), but well regarded.

Warsaw pact red dot that fits on your existing receiver optics siderail, no additional mount required. I have one, a Russian Kobra, and like it. The one downside is that puts the optic up pretty high, higher than some people like it.


Third option, the new LaRue Iron Dot.





November 30, 2008, 11:24 PM
i agree that you go with the ultimak rail it is the best way to go, as for optic i prefer eotech, but the aimpoint would be great too.

December 1, 2008, 01:45 AM
Ultimak -

December 1, 2008, 12:48 PM
I appreciate the suggestions and the pictures. I will check them out.

December 1, 2008, 12:55 PM
The ultimak is great, I had one with an aimpoint. If you want to go a little cheaper look into the Kobra red dot sights. They are around $200 and are quite nice. They are built specifically for the AK platform, so they work great.

December 1, 2008, 02:12 PM
Fourth option: UTG 978 rail with the red dot of your choice. I've got one on my Saiga with a Leapers scope on it. Works great. Only costs around $40, after which you can mount any Weaver / Picatinny accessory.


Ignore the crappy BSA red dot. It was just for show until I got my Leapers scope. This rail is rock solid. Lever lock rails retain their zero after removal within 1 MOA. If I were to put a red dot on it, I'd go Adco.

December 1, 2008, 02:19 PM
Get the Scout Scopes mount. They are made in the USA and are very, very well made.

December 1, 2008, 02:23 PM
Hi Mike,
That's pretty much the same set-up I'm going to try on my WASR. I got the mount on eBay for 10 bucks and the Barska 42mm red dot from Graf's on sale for 19.99. So for 30 bucks we'll see how it works. If I don't like it I can always upgrade.

December 1, 2008, 02:27 PM
With a skeleton stock, it's VERY effective. Should work well with a standard AK stock as well. If you don't like it, you might consider buying a PSL / Romak-3 stock blank, sanding and staining it, and mounting it. Total cost: $25. It'll turn your WASR into one of the ones with a "Dragunov" style stock.

December 1, 2008, 02:30 PM
1. Ultimak + red dot. This is probably the most stable and flexible solution. If you get an aimpoint or clone and a set of low rings, you can shoot the iron sights through the tube. One of the hardest things about scoping an AK is getting the optics low enough to get good cheekweld.

The disadvantage is that the weight of the optic is out on the nose of the gun, and you need either a red dot or a longer eye-relief scope (scout scope). Aimpoint Micros are pretty light, and would seem to alleviate the weight issue.

2. Warsaw Pact siderail. Puts the optic up way high (or offline). Some of them won't hald zero well. All of them place stress on the sheetmetal sidewall of the receiver. The last is not an issue, until it is- as in, you drop your rifle on the scope and the whole assembly is turned into a giant lever...is your optic still aligned? I dunno. Is it? The solution to the height issue is to either deal with it, or get a cheek rest.

3. Dustcover mounts. Junk.

4. Beryl rail, or the Krebs clone of it. Looks very good. Would seem to work fine. Allows standard scopes, red dots, you name it. Also gives additional sight radius and a good rear sight. Downside? Spendy, adds weight, requires the tang to be intact (not ground off for a flding stock).

5. Mounts replacing the rear sight. Downside? Most of them replace the rear sight (read: no irons). LaRue has a new red dot/rear sight combo that looks promising. I'm going to review it soon.


December 1, 2008, 02:58 PM
The UltiMAK gas tube rail and one of Aimpoint's Micro optics is the best combo I've seen.


December 1, 2008, 06:05 PM
let me buck the trend a little here. I have a side mount and used a quick detach mount with 2X red-dot (tru-glo). It is fantastic and helped both groupings and quicker target aquisition. It was purchased for a 100 dollars (for both) and is well worth it.

In keeping with the AK's use as a "always going to work gun" I love that if the red-dot has problems I can remove it and am back to iron sights in literally a second. To be fair other sights have "co-witness" to the iron sights but I don't know which ones.

December 1, 2008, 06:10 PM
I tried several red dot sighs, they were ok, however I decided to go with a Williams peep sight-:D

Very easy to install and it produces a great sight picture.
Cheap and reliable!!

December 1, 2008, 08:29 PM
I know you're leaning toward a red dot, but you also asked about "what worked good for you", so consider these.....


Kalinka is a good operation, and these Rusky scopes are pretty nice, especially for the price, in fact,budget allowing, you could get one of these just for the cool factor. I have this same one, I believe, and IMO, it's a dynamite little unit.

December 1, 2008, 09:48 PM
I agree the POSP is a fantastic scope for the money. The sight picture was remarkably clear, and the reticle was the best I've ever used (and can be illuminated in low light with the flick of a switch).

I used to have on my SAR, but switched to the Kobra because I wanted to be able to use the optic at close range in addition to way out yonder. Loved the scope, though.

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