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JImbothefiveth
November 30, 2008, 10:03 PM
Do any scopes with 1x magnification exist?
I know there are red dots, but those are dependant on batteries. (Of course, most aimpoints can be left on for years at a time, so this might be pointless.)
So, anyone does anyone know of 1x scopes? And would these really be more useful in any way than an aimpoint red dot?
Thanks!

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cdrt
November 30, 2008, 10:05 PM
Gil Hebard Guns has a 1X pistol scope in his current catalog; custom made by Burris. Eye relief is 4" to 24" so it should work on a rifle.

MutinousDoug
November 30, 2008, 10:53 PM
I have a Tasco 1.5x pistol scope on my Ruger mark II that is in effect a 1x scope. I shot Bullseye in the 1980's with it with both eyes open and found it helpful not having to deal with focus on the front sight as my eyes started to go from 20-20 to who knows what these days. The crosshairs are much finer than any red dot optic but require you to align your head behind the scope to minimize parallax more than red dots require. Probably not the best choice for self defense but better for rabbit/squirrel hunting and paper punching.
HTH

R.W.Dale
November 30, 2008, 10:59 PM
Many manufacturers make them, usually their marketed as muzzle loader scopes due to restrictions during some states ML seasons.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=670633

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=730101

IIRC swift makes one as well

And would these really be more useful in any way than an aimpoint red dot?

To me the field of view in these things seem really small and in some cases they actually appear to make the image smaller. Myself, I would buy a good set of sights before I used one of these

praharin
November 30, 2008, 11:00 PM
http://leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/prismatic-riflescope/prismatic-1x14mm-tactical-illum-reticle/

there is this one ^ which was the first to pop into my head. there are also 2 offerings of red dots from trijicon that do not rely solely on batteries to operate.

in my opinion, none offer anything on an aimpoint. if you change your batteries in once a year you will be prepared, in that sense.

there are also several offered as pistol or shotgun scopes, and the muzzle loader scopes linked above

Jim Watson
December 1, 2008, 12:04 AM
I have one of those Hebard-Burris 1X pistol scopes on an old High Standard, a very accurate combination. I also have one low range variable Redfield rifle scope that will go down to a true 1X and make a good snapshooting scope.

When I got them, the red dots were not near what you can buy today and I cannot say the scopes are better, except in the case of the variable job which gives you the option to run it up for longer shots.

Destructo6
December 1, 2008, 10:49 AM
The Belarus-made PK-AS series has a 1x dot. The battery illuminates the reticle in red, but without any power, the dot appears black and is visible.

benEzra
December 1, 2008, 11:08 AM
Some Aimpoints have a backup fiber optic setup to provide dot illumination if the battery or electronics fail.

Leadhead
December 1, 2008, 03:12 PM
Check out the Weaver Classic V3
Made in Japan true 1X but variable zoom to 3X as well nice and compact and good value!!
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=SN849400

JImbothefiveth
December 1, 2008, 03:46 PM
Some Aimpoints have a backup fiber optic setup
Do you know which ones?

NC-Mike
December 1, 2008, 04:47 PM
Millet DMS is 1x to 4x

Has an etched reticule that will also illuminate but you don't need it.

The scope is kinda like an red-dot with a built-in magnifier. It really really saved me cause I had an EOTech and 3x magnifier on my rifle but because of the astigmatism in my eyes, red-dots appear pixilated and a one MOA dot looks like a dang peanut with seven little dots... :mad:

The Millet doesn't do that and it was way cheaper.

Asherdan
December 1, 2008, 07:15 PM
Check out the Weaver Classic V3
Made in Japan true 1X but variable zoom to 3X as well nice and compact and good value!!

+1

I use mine at 1x all the time in the scrubby brush. Both eyes open, real good when things are close and quick.

benEzra
December 1, 2008, 09:12 PM
Do you know which ones?
Ah, I was thinking of the Trijicon Tripower, my mistake. Also has a tritium illuminated dot for low-light shooting even if the battery dies.

http://www.trijicon-inc.com/User/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=412&back_row=0&categoryID=11

http://www.trijicon-inc.com/parts/TX30.jpg

I shot an IPSC match once and one of the other shooters was using one.

moooose102
December 1, 2008, 09:57 PM
maybe i am just old, or maybe it is because i cant see all that well. but i dont see the point of a 1x scope. why bother? what would it have over a good set of open sights?

rbernie
December 1, 2008, 10:20 PM
A 1x scope allows you to focus in one plane (the reticle/dot and target appear in the same plane) as opposed to trying to focus on the front sight and letting the rear sight and target go blurry. It makes a very real difference in speed and accuracy.

I use Aimpoints a lot; I probably have five of them at this point on various rifles. In fact, they even make a 9000-series 2x (of which I have several) that makes a dandy illuminated scout scope.

praharin
December 1, 2008, 10:28 PM
single focal plain, for one thing


ETA: i was beaten!

HarleyFixer
December 2, 2008, 11:15 AM
Also from a hunting aspect a scope gathers light giving you 15-20min more shooting time.

benEzra
December 2, 2008, 11:53 AM
maybe i am just old, or maybe it is because i cant see all that well. but i dont see the point of a 1x scope. why bother? what would it have over a good set of open sights?
You can use it in low light. Dot is much easier to see against dark background than irons are. Same focal plane as the target. Much easier to use with both eyes open, for those of us who don't have one eye that is strongly dominant.

jkingrph
December 2, 2008, 12:08 PM
I have a 1x simmons shotgun scope set back somewhere.

Brian Dale
December 2, 2008, 03:55 PM
I have an old Weaver K1 right here on my desk.maybe i am just old, or maybe it is because i cant see all that well.Those are reasons to consider using one. The scope puts the target and the crosshairs at the same place a few inches in front of your eye; 1x gives you a wide field of view. This Weaver has fine wires (bad) and a nice black dot at their intersection (good.)

JImbothefiveth, I'm 49, I wear bifocals (or contact lenses and reading glasses) and I'm planning to put an Aimpoint Micro H-1 without magnification on my deer rifle next year.

Ringtail
December 2, 2008, 06:06 PM
I once had a Weaver K1.5 that I mounted on a .22 rifle. It made a pretty good jackrabbit shooter, but it wasn't too good for really small targets because the crosshairs covered them up. It was faster than iron sights and you could take hand thrown targets in the air with it. Somebody bought it off of me a long time ago and I replaced it with a Weaver K3 that I liked better.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 2, 2008, 06:45 PM
Oh yes, I believe there is a Nikon Monarch UCC in 1x that looks very nice. Outstanding as a turkey rig scope (for shotgun).

GrandmasterB
December 3, 2008, 10:39 AM
The Belarus-made PK-AS series has a 1x dot. The battery illuminates the reticle in red, but without any power, the dot appears black and is visible.

I have one of these and really like it, other than the windage and elevation adjustments are a bit crude. I wish there were more red dots on the market with an etched reticle like this one.

UnTainted
December 3, 2008, 12:12 PM
Nightforce makes a 1-4x scope that thought I don't own, I've shot it on my uncle's 450 marlin (ouch) and it does allow nice two-eyes-open shooting.

NIGHTFORCE 1-4x24mm (http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/COMPACT_NXS_MODELS_/compact1-4x24nxs/compact1-4x24nxs.html)

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/COMPACT_NXS_MODELS_/compact1-4x24nxs/a_compact1-4x24.gif (http://www.nightforceoptics.com/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/COMPACT_NXS_MODELS_/1_4x24-enlargement.jpg)

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 3, 2008, 12:45 PM
And would these really be more useful in any way than an aimpoint red dot?

Yes they are far more useful if your battery on your aimpoint dies (extreme cold, drop rifle in creek, etc.).

There's something to be said for being battery-free, or at least "non-battery-reliant", which you are NOT with most dot sights, but which you ARE with these choices:

1. F.O. Dot sights (Trijicon Reflex, Trijicon Tripower, Meprolight MP21, etc.)
2. Etched reticle sights (Leupold Prismatic, PK-AS, etc.)
3. 1x "Traditional" Scopes**
4. Non-battery power source (Zeiss Z-Point Reflex Solar Powered sight)

**As mentioned, in addition to fixed 1x scopes, there ARE in fact scopes which dial all the way down to a TRUE 1.0 power (not 1.25 or 1.5), but also dial up to higher magnification. These are ideal for many uses, and in addition to the Nightforce, Trijicon Accupoint, and Leupold make some - perhaps others too. Trijicon's is a 1-4x24, and Leupold offers both the VX1 and VX2 in a 1-4x20 config. Bushnell even has a Banner that is a 1-4x32 - careful though, because they ALSO make a Banner which is 1.5-4x32 (for some odd reason), so you have to look around if you want the true 1x one. The true 1-4 one is typically $10 more than the 1.5-4 one.

Leadhead
December 3, 2008, 01:48 PM
As mentioned, in addtion to fixed 1x scopes, there ARE in fact scopes which dial all the way down to a TRUE 1.0 power (not 1.25 or 1.5), but also dial up to higher magnification. These are ideal for many uses, and in addition to the Nightforce, Trijicon Accupoint, and Leupold make some - perhaps others too. Trijicon's is a 1-4x24, and Leupold offers both the VX1 and VX2 in a 1-4x20 config. Bushnell even has a Banner that is a 1-4x32 - careful though, because they ALSO make a Banner which is 1.5-4x32 (for some odd reason), so you have to look around if you want the true 1x one. The true 1-4 one is typically $10 more than the 1.5-4 one.

The V3 is true 1X not so sure about the Leupolds....
For less then $150 the made in Japan Weaver classiv V3 variable (1X-3X) is a sweet little scope.
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=SN849400

M1key
December 4, 2008, 05:44 PM
Burris 1X Short Mag scope...fast target acquisition out 100 yards.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 4, 2008, 06:16 PM
Yeah, that Burris S.M. has some serious eye relief, doesn't it?

JImbothefiveth
December 4, 2008, 07:34 PM
Really like the idea of the leupold prismatic. Part red dot, part 1x scope.

Rather than posting a new thread, thought I'd ask in this one.

Do tube red dot sights like this one

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/71/20/91/i712091sn02.jpg


have any advantage or disadvantage compared to open ones like this? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Pod/00/42/03/p004203ii02.jpg

Leadhead
December 4, 2008, 08:11 PM
Flip up covers work better on the tube design....

benEzra
December 4, 2008, 11:15 PM
Do tube red dot sights like this one have any advantage or disadvantage compared to open ones like this?
Open ones are lighter and obscure the target much less.

Closed-tube ones work better in the rain and in bad weather, and are easier to keep the lenses clean (like Leadhead said, you can use flip-up covers on a tube type).

innerpiece
December 5, 2008, 07:58 PM
I think tube style is best, for me that is. they are more durable imo, by all means.. No target has ever been "obscured" that I have shot at.

but I also prefer no magnification on my red dot. and I dont care to spend the extra coin on something that stayes lit if the battery dies, because I keep fresh batteries on hand, and in my red dot....

no mag helps me to keep an even focus with both eyes open. ever tried switching focus from eye to eye on a 9x scope? its not easy to do super fast.. with any mag it isnt.
but again, thats just me. it throws focus off... it the nature of the eyeball..lol

and in my opinion, dont get a red dot if it dont have see thru flip ups!

again, optics are quite a personal choice, and requirements vary as much as prefrence.. so take yer time and find what works best for what you will use it for!

ip.

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