S.2433: We must stop it


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monkyboy1975
December 1, 2008, 12:24 PM
We must work to halt this terrible piece of legislation:
SENATE BILL S. 2433 THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT

According to David Bossie, President of the group 'Citizens United for American Sovereignty', based out of Merrifield Virginia , website: http://www.citizensunited.org/ the above- mentioned Senate Bill (S. 2433) is a piece of legislation in the works that all Americans need to know about and know now!

This bill, sponsored by none other than Sen. Barack Obama, with the backing of Joe Biden on the Foreign Relations Committee, and liberal democrats in Congress, is nothing short of a massive giveaway of American wealth around the world, and a betrayal of the public trust, because, if passed, this bill would give over many aspects of our sovereignty to the United Nations.

The noble sounding name of this bill, 'The Global Poverty Act' is actually a Global Tax, payable to the United Nations, that will be required of all American taxpayers. If passed in the Senate, the House has already passed it, this bill would require the U.S. to increase our foreign aid by $65 BILLION per year, or $845 BILLION over the next 13 years! That's on top of the billions of dollars in foreign aid we already pay out!

In addition to the economic burdens this potential law would place on our precarious economy, the bill, if passed in the Senate, would also endanger our constitutionally protected rights and freedoms by obligating us to meet certain United Nations mandates.

According to Senator Obama, we should establish these United Nations' goals as benchmarks for U.S. spending. What are they?

n The creation of a U.N. International Criminal Court having the power to try and convict American citizens and soldiers without any protection from the U.S. Constitution.

n A standing United Nations Army forcing U.S. soldiers to serve under U.N. command.

n A Gun Ban on all small arms and light weapons --which would repeal our Second Amendment right to bear arms.

n The ratification of the ' Kyoto ' global warming treaty and numerous other anti-American measures.

Recently, the Senate Subcommittee on Foreign Relations (where Sen. Joe Biden sits) approved this plan by a voice vote without any discussion! Why all the secrecy? If Senators Obama and Biden are so proud of this legislation, then why don't they bring it out into the light of day and let the American people have a look at it instead of hiding it behind closed doors and sneaking it through Congress for late night votes.

It may be only a matter of time before this dangerous legislation reaches a floor vote in the full body of the Senate.

Please write or call, email your representatives, the White House, the media, or anyone you think will listen, and express your opinions regarding this Global Tax giveaway and betrayal of the American people at a time when our nation and our people are already heavily burdened with the threats to our freedoms and economic prosperity.

Please send this email to as many folks out there in your networks as you can. And ASAP!

Thank you.



Their at it again folks, this time with a real stinker! :cuss:

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Eightball
December 1, 2008, 03:04 PM
nvm, delete

monkyboy1975
December 1, 2008, 03:13 PM
NVM, delete

Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 03:21 PM
Recently, the Senate Subcommittee on Foreign Relations (where Sen. Joe Biden sits) approved this plan by a voice vote without any discussion! Why all the secrecy? If Senators Obama and Biden are so proud of this legislation, then why don't they bring it out into the light of day and let the American people have a look at it instead of hiding it behind closed doors and sneaking it through Congress for late night votes.


You do realize that subcommittees and the full senate are two different things, correct?

monkyboy1975
December 1, 2008, 03:30 PM
Yes, I do. But it it best to let the Ameican people find out about a really nasty bill before it is voted on.

JImbothefiveth
December 1, 2008, 03:35 PM
Oh justice Scalia! I have a piece of legislation I need to show you...

malix
December 1, 2008, 04:06 PM
this bill would require the U.S. to increase our foreign aid by $65 BILLION per year, or $845 BILLION over the next 13 years!

Not true.

“That’s just not factual,” said Jordan Stark, press secretary for U.S. Sen. Chuck Hagel. Again, a Republican.

“The bill simply requires the president to develop and implement a U.S.-determined strategy to reduce global poverty and does not mandate any new spending.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/434/

monkyboy1975
December 1, 2008, 04:49 PM
The main fear that I have is that it enacts the U.N. Millennium Declaration.
a direct quote from the millennium Declaration:

"To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons."

We all Know that the U.N. is anti gun, and is pushing global disarmament. Who determines what "illicit" means?

Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 05:23 PM
The main fear that I have is that it enacts the U.N. Millennium Declaration.
a direct quote from the millennium Declaration:

"To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons."

We all Know that the U.N. is anti gun, and is pushing global disarmament. Who determines what "illicit" means?



I think it's safe to say things like this are "illicit":

http://www.newsweek.com/id/32257

monkyboy1975
December 1, 2008, 05:47 PM
They can deem anything they wish "illicit", that includes our firearms. Don't the antis make the same claim, that if it is stolen from a private party, it can be used in a crime? Therefore going after our firearms.

armoredman
December 1, 2008, 06:47 PM
Anything sold without government permission is illicit. That is thier definition. In thier mind, no US citizen should have permission to buy, sell, possess, or carry light arms of any kind, which should be reserved to the state. See IANSAs' "debate" with Wayne LaPierre.


We certainly have so much history showing how well a state treats its' forcibly disarmed citizens.

Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 08:24 PM
They can deem anything they wish "illicit", that includes our firearms. Don't the antis make the same claim, that if it is stolen from a private party, it can be used in a crime? Therefore going after our firearms.


They have no juristiction within the borders of the united states. THey would not be able to dictate US law to the US. The only effect it would have is in regulating international trade.
IE - somebody loads up a boat full of AK's from one country and docks in another.


Anything sold without government permission is illicit. That is thier definition. In thier mind, no US citizen should have permission to buy, sell, possess, or carry light arms of any kind, which should be reserved to the state. See IANSAs' "debate" with Wayne LaPierre.


But again - guns are bought and sold with the permission of the government here - so that wouldn't apply to us anyways.

Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 08:36 PM
that if it is stolen from a private party, it can be used in a crime? Therefore going after our firearms.


I've never heard that argument made. That's a pretty big stretch, even for the anti crowd.

We're not talking about stolen guns here. The UN thing is attempting to provide a mechanism to which international arms trading could be prosecuted.
Take the article I posted about Turkey. Even if Turkey did go back and track down where the guns came from, who brought them into the country, and who sold them within Turkey - they have absolutely no authority to go after the person - even though what they did is clearly illegal by any stretch the imagination. The only course of action they would have, is to petition the government wherever that person(s) is to either hand them over, or prosecute them there. There's ZERO guarentee that country has comply.

What the UN regulation sets out to provide, is an agreed upon framework in which international crimes can be prosecuted. Personally - I don't see exactly what's wrong with that. It would even give us a pretty big leg up in a lot of the international things we have going on, particularly as it relates to some of the foreign operations we're involved in right now.

hso
December 2, 2008, 12:46 AM
First, the purpose of the Activism forum is to further RKBA. That narrow focus is so our efforts are not diluted.

Second, it is critically important that we're acting on accurate information that is current. That means we need to go to the source instead of regurgitating what others say. Perhaps it would be best if we actually read this legislation that has been out there for nearly a year already? http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:1:./temp/~c110qIAgpC::

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