Indiana gun permit?


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BoilerUP
December 1, 2008, 06:20 PM
I moved from Louisville KY to Sellersburg, IN back in April. I've held a KY CCW permit since June 2005, and my permit expires June 2010.

I haven't been carrying since moving, and finally today got around to calling the Sellersburg PD. They told me I should be good with my KY permit due to the reciprocity and should apply for a IN permit within 180 days of my KY permit expiring.

Wanting to confirm as my KY permit obviously does not have my IN address on it, I called the Clark Co. Sheriff, and the person I talked to had no idea, telling me to call ISP to make sure and giving me a phone number. I call the number, and find its the state real estate office :banghead:

Going to the ISP website, I cannot find it addressed ANYWHERE if you hold a CCW from another state, then move to Indiana, if you are okay to use the previously issued CCW even as a new Indiana resident or if you have to get an Indiana permit regardless.

I want to make sure I'm legal - anybody have a clue??? :confused:

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indoorsoccerfrea
December 1, 2008, 06:25 PM
you're legal.
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Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 06:31 PM
I would try calling the local Sheriff's office again. It sounds like you just got some know-nothing receptionist, who couldn't even get the number to the local state police headquarters correct.

looking at the FAQ on the ISP site:

http://www.in.gov/isp/files/firearms_FAQ_02_08.pdf


I see this jump out at me:

What states honor my Indiana handgun license?

Indiana honors all other states handgun licenses. Not all other states honor Indiana’s
license. Websites and organizations such as the NRA do attempt to track this
information. Each state regulates this area differently and there is no obligation for one
state to notify another state of any change in their law; therefore the department does
not attempt to track this information.
Note: Illinois issues a Firearms Owners Identification (FOI) card. This card relates to
the purchasing of firearms, not a permit to routinely carry a handgun and is therefore is
not honored as such in Indiana.


I am a resident of another state and I have a valid handgun license issued by my
home state. Does Indiana honor my states license?

Yes. Indiana honors valid handgun licenses issued by another state.
IC 35-47-2-21
Recognition of retail dealers' licenses and licenses to carry handguns issued by other states
35-47-2-21 Sec. 21. (a) Retail dealers' licenses issued by other states or foreign countries will
not be recognized in Indiana except for sales at wholesale.
(b) Licenses to carry handguns, issued by other states or foreign countries, will be recognized
according to the terms thereof but only while the holders are not residents of Indiana.


You should check that last line - i bolded it. I didn't catch it at first until i re-read it.
When I read that - it seems to me, it will be honored so long as you are not a resident of Indiana. Once you become a resident - it seems you may need an IN permit.

Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 06:33 PM
Also -

ISP Phone Directory: http://www.in.gov/isp/2359.htm

Firearms Licensing Section 317-233-5054

kludge
December 1, 2008, 06:35 PM
+1 for Sinixstar. If you're a resident of Indiana, your KY permit is no longer valid.

HoosierQ
December 1, 2008, 06:36 PM
Yeah you're legal. Indiana has reciprocity. You don't have to re-up until your KY permit expires. Indiana has a funny law. Your permit does not have to have your current address but if you move, you have to notify the state police. I moved, notified them by email, and just waited it out. I still had one of the expiring kind. One motivation to maybe go ahead and get an Indiana permit now is that they are currently lifetime. That may or may not last.

ServiceSoon
December 1, 2008, 07:42 PM
Just purchase a lifetime Indiana permit right now.

Sinixstar
December 1, 2008, 07:46 PM
So - i'll try this one more time, but perhaps with emphasis on another part of the sentence.


(b) Licenses to carry handguns, issued by other states or foreign countries, will be recognized
according to the terms thereof but only while the holders are not residents of Indiana.

NavyLCDR
December 2, 2008, 08:41 AM
So - i'll try this one more time, but perhaps with emphasis on another part of the sentence.

I feel your pain, I really do....

:banghead:

Coyote Hunter
December 2, 2008, 12:22 PM
I dunno about all that. While KY and Indiana does have an agreement, the CCW permit has a change of address stipulation just as your KY drivers license. I'd think you'd get into some problems having a perminant address in Indiana and using a KY ccw just as you could get a ticket for failure to get an Indiana Driver License after so many days of permant residency. I know CCW and Drivers License is not the same.

Here is the answer from the Kentucky State Police Site.

You are required to notify the Kentucky State Police within thirty days after the changing of a permanent address. Failure to do so is a noncriminal violation with a penalty of twenty-five dollars payable to the clerk of the District Court. To change or update your address, you must complete a Carry Concealed Deadly Weapons Licensee Request for Change of Personal Information (KSP 121) at the office of the Sheriff of your county of residence. Once completed, the Sheriff will forward the information to the Kentucky State Police.

NavyLCDR
December 2, 2008, 12:34 PM
Did you not all notice that Sinixstar posted the Indiana state law that specifically states that an out of state permit was not valid for an Indiana resident REGARDLESS of reciprocity?!?

ServiceSoon
December 2, 2008, 01:04 PM
Did you not all notice that Sinixstar posted the Indiana state law that specifically states that an out of state permit was not valid for an Indiana resident REGARDLESS of reciprocity?!?Which is why he should just purchase a lifetime Indiana permit right now.

Thin Black Line
December 2, 2008, 01:55 PM
"What we have here is a failure to communicate...I don't care what some
secretary or bunch of smiley faces on the internet told you..."

Get ready for those phrases from a knowledgable Indiana police officer and
again from a County Prosecuting Attorney if as a new Indiana resident you
are caught carrying a concealed handgun under your now invalid KY resident
permit and then try to tell them your KY permit is still valid.

Bottom line, apply for the IN permit. Be done with it. Move on...no pun
intended...

mgregg85
December 2, 2008, 03:59 PM
I wish Michigan would do the lifetime CCW permit thing.

BoilerUP
December 2, 2008, 04:50 PM
Get ready for those phrases from a knowledgable Indiana police officer and
again from a County Prosecuting Attorney if as a new Indiana resident you
are caught carrying a concealed handgun under your now invalid KY resident
permit and then try to tell them your KY permit is still valid.

Thank you...this was what I was thinking, but getting conflicting info from law enforcement agencies leads me to get more opinions.

I'll be applying for it this week.

Sinixstar
December 2, 2008, 09:28 PM
my understanding is, permits are very easy to get in Indiana. IN is a pretty gun-friendly state, and they have the highest percentage of CCW in the country.
It really shouldn't be a big deal at all.

Thin Black Line
December 3, 2008, 08:40 AM
Indiana has not always been what we would consider a "shall issue" state.
At one time you had to write a justification in your application which was
left to the local head of LE to approve or deny. The unspoken but well
known "rule" was (and this was NOT even 20 years ago) anyone who wrote
anything about CCW being their "right" or having to do with the 2A was to
be denied. They wanted other things like how it was work-related (carrying
cash, jewelry) for travel, you frequently left your home for matches, hunting,
etc. Specific circumstances for self-protection were a plus, but just the
general "I need to protect myself from street crime" wasn't going to cut it.

Keep in mind this is still a state that doesn't allow you to case a pistol in your
trunk and go back and forth to a public range without a permit.

NavyLCDR
December 3, 2008, 08:48 AM
Keep in mind this is still a state that doesn't allow you to case a pistol in your trunk and go back and forth to a public range without a permit.

That's why you just have to shoot at a range that has a gunsmith on duty:

IC 35-47-2-2
Excepted persons
Sec. 2. Section 1 of this chapter does not apply to:

(11) any person while carrying a handgun unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his dwelling or fixed place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his dwelling or fixed place of business, or in moving from one dwelling or business to another.

You are correct, though, that law is completely rediculous.

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