Anybodys SHTF Battery not include Military Rounds?


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Texasred
December 1, 2008, 09:58 PM
Hey guys, like the title. Was wondering if anybodys rifle battery contained any non-standard warrior rounds: ie. .270, .243, .30-30, 458 bushmaster.

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Barker45
December 1, 2008, 10:11 PM
Heck yeah! .22LR, .357/38 and 30-30!! The .22LR is an obvious choice for small game (gotta put something in the pot if it's a long-term SHTF situation) and I can pack A LOT of ammo. Of my many .22s I would likely choose my S&W 63 revolver and my CZ 452 scout. Both are small, easy to carry, and accurate. A 3-4" .357 mag revolver makes sense for many reasons but most of all it's VERY versitile (hunting/self-defense). My marlin 336 in 30-30 also makes a lot of sense. It's compact, fast, powerful enough for large game and fighting. It also has the advantage of not attacting a lot of attention (a major plus) and easy to get ammo for. Just my $0.02!

natescout
December 1, 2008, 10:24 PM
+1 barker on the .22LR !

Jason_G
December 1, 2008, 10:29 PM
I think that would be an all around yes for most of us on the .22lr.

Jason

WardenWolf
December 1, 2008, 10:30 PM
All my rifles except my 10/22 either use current or past military rounds.

Romanian PSL (7.62x54R)
Mosin Nagant M91/30 (7.62x54R)
Arisaka 99 (7.7x58 Jap)
Saiga .223 (.223 / 5.56 NATO)

Texasred
December 1, 2008, 10:41 PM
I just feel funny considering my Remington 700 Sendero Special my tactical precision gun when it's in .25-06.

frogomatic
December 1, 2008, 10:51 PM
+1 on the 22lr for so many reason I can't even list them all

I also keep a store of 257 roberts, 35 Whelen, and 454 Casull...what can I say I like the -5's

JustinR
December 1, 2008, 10:58 PM
I'd pick up my Marlin 10/22 and marlin 336 in .30-30 if I planned on being out in the wood for a while.

HPJeep
December 1, 2008, 11:24 PM
Mine's a rather old military round. How does .45 Colt grab you for my lever action?

jackdanson
December 1, 2008, 11:53 PM
.3030 as a a backup. 22lr obviously.

ECVMatt
December 2, 2008, 12:00 AM
Although I have my .223, I really like my leverguns for SHTF.

The Deer Hunter
December 2, 2008, 12:03 AM
My rifles don't run off batteries =(

cerberus65
December 2, 2008, 12:11 AM
IMO, if whatever HTF, guns that do best on tasty critters will be a lot more useful than guns that do best on people. But what do I know?

So I have no military rifle rounds at all. I guess 9mm and 12 ga. are used by the military but they see such wide-spread use that I don't think they really count.

jeremy71504
December 2, 2008, 01:31 AM
A bolt .270 for the distance and 30-30 lever for the brush hunting.

WardenWolf
December 2, 2008, 01:44 AM
Well, .223 works for basic deer hunting. May not be optimal, but it works. .308 is a good all-around choice, though.

jpwilly
December 2, 2008, 02:22 AM
+1 for 22LR. We keep 5-6 550 rnd boxes of the stuff around. Otherwise my stock pile is all Past and Present Military Calibers.

rondog
December 2, 2008, 02:31 AM
IMO, if whatever HTF, guns that do best on tasty critters will be a lot more useful than guns that do best on people. But what do I know?

Sir, I'm not one of the tin foil hat crowd, but in the event of a SHTF scenario, you'd better believe that LOTS of your fellow humans are going to be a threat in many ways. And the "tasty critters" will be in high demand.

WardenWolf
December 2, 2008, 03:25 AM
Rondog has a point, one I've thought about myself many times.

What are the most realistic SHTF situations that could require use of your gun, and what ammunition type would be ideal in those situations? You have to look at what you will need, and what types of ammo you will most likely be able to get your hands on (such as by salvaging it off an enemy). Therefore, it would not be a bad idea to have long guns capable of firing each of the following calibers:

1. Invasion by a foreign power. Ideal ammo types: 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and .308. Primary threats are Russia and China.

2. Our own military being used against us in some way: 5.56 NATO and .308.

3. Situation that allows you to escape to an area where you can hunt: .308 (military use will keep it in production) and 7.62x54R.

4. Situation that requires you to hole up in the city (and possibly have to fend off looters): 5.56 NATO.

5. Protection while traveling the road: Pistol-gripped, folding stock semi-auto 12 Gauge loaded with #00 buck.


Note that 7.62x39 can also double as an effective deer caliber. However, because it is a niche production item in the US, you cannot guarantee its continued production should resources be required elsewhere. China uses .308 instead of 7.62x54R.

If you have firearms chambered in these 6 calibers, you will most likely always have ammo available, and you will have the means to defend yourself in almost all situations. Pistols are a much more subjective choice, although both .45 ACP and 9mm are good. While .40 S&W is a good caliber, it doesn't have decades of ammo stockpiles behind it.

Float Pilot
December 2, 2008, 04:33 AM
Gee let me look....

1. 22LR lots
2. 12 gauge lots
3. 44 mag I need to reload some more
5. 45 Colt I need to reload some more
6. 38-40 Lots, That's odd since I only have 2 guns in that caliber.
7. 38 Special, can full. Long story..
8. 357 mag, lots
9. 300 Win Mag, maybe 200 rounds, need more
10. 350 Rem mag, maybe 200 rounds, need more
11. 6.5mm Swede. only couple hundred rounds need more
12, 7 x57mm, need to load up all this empty brass.
13. 30-06, enough hunting ammo for awhile
14. 5.56 down to one can, cant find any more, need to handload some.
15. 6.8x43mmSPC Still loading
16. 308, 7.62x51, Not much left, not as easy to find around here these days.
17. 45-70 LOTS
18. 358 Norma couple boxes
19. 50-90 sharps couple boxes
20. 9mmNato, a few boxes but don't have a 9mm firearm anymore
21. 40 S&W still some ammo but no longer have the pistols. Stupid caliber.
22. 10mm and 38 super. Boy these were from way back in the 80s.

armoredman
December 2, 2008, 04:46 AM
TexasRed, nothing wrong with 25-06! That's my long range bolt gun. Well, that and the Enfield No4Mk1* .303!

owlhoot
December 2, 2008, 05:08 AM
Mike the Wolf, doesn't it stand to reason that if you could get ammo from an "enemy", you could also get a gun in that caliber from same?

I should think that anybody who has the basic armory of a center-fire rifle, a shotgun, a .22 rifle and a centerfire handgun would be in good shape.

WardenWolf
December 2, 2008, 05:25 AM
While it does, it begs the question of the quality or long-term viability of such a captured weapon. You may be able to purchase a more reliable or better-performing firearm for yourself that utilizes the same ammunition. And you would, of course, be more familiar with your own gun.

If I were to cut 2 ammo types off that list, they would be 7.62x54R and 7.62x39. The role of 7.62x54R is adequately covered by .308, and 7.62x39 has been largely supplanted by 5.45x39 and 5.56. The one advantage of 7.62x54R is that the surplus ammunition is steel core. This effectively means it is quasi-armor-piercing. It is more capable of defeating body armor than .308, although an accurate shot to the head negates that entirely. Would it be better if you had them? Probably. But I'd put them at a lower priority than the others. Surplus of these types is also corrosive, which further reduces their usefulness since cleaning your gun is a low priority in an emergency.

armoredman
December 2, 2008, 07:03 AM
The mild steel core of the 7.62x54R is not really AP, not nearly like true AP.

cerberus65
December 2, 2008, 08:31 AM
rondog, you make a good point.

In such a scenario I would help feed neighbors and fellow church members if I could. Looters would have to be shot. More thought is required, though.

deanadell
December 2, 2008, 11:15 AM
Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: I think you oughta get yourself an M-16.

Sergeant Major Basil Plumley: Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground.

Coronach
December 2, 2008, 11:26 AM
Yep.

If you can scavange ammo off of your imaginary foes, you can pick up their rifles, too.

Unless, of course, your enemies carry ammo but no weapons. If so, your life is pretty easy, and you probably need a more challenging TEOTWAWKI.

Mike ;)

Coronach
December 2, 2008, 11:30 AM
Another way to look at is this: I am trying to collect the whole set. If THE END comes and we're all shooting commie zombie ninja bears all day every day, I hope to have a weapon that will fire whatever type of ammo I happen across in my post-apocalyptic scavenging.

9.82 Elephantiasis Ultra Magnum? Yep. I have an derringer that shoots that. Quick, grab those boxes and get to the APC. Here come the commie zombie ninja bears!

In all seriousness? I just enjoy shooting different calibers. Diversification is a good thing, but its application in a disaster scenario is purely secondary to my recreational shooting.

Mike ;)

black_powder_Rob
December 2, 2008, 04:51 PM
Another +1 for 22lr
And then it would be 22 mag, 5.56/.223, 30-30, 9mm, and to really pput an odd one it would be a 44 lead ball to go with my flint lock rifle for hunting. (Not to fend off invaders or anything of the sorts) I can make black powder and find flints easily and I also have a bullet mold, so any lead I find that I can't use in one of my guns will be melted down and coverted to a 44 lead ball.

Anyways those are my calibers for when the SHTF situations.

Brian41
December 2, 2008, 10:11 PM
well, of course .22lr.

honestly if the S his the proverbial F, i think the caliber you have is thus your caliber of choice.

I've got a couple .22s, and of course tons of .22 ammo, 12ga pump and a few bricks, then its 7.62.... 1) x45r several hundred rounds of surpluss stuff. good at long ranges (out to 1000 yds i'm told, but i can't shoot that far) out of the 91/30, keep stripper clips filled. and2) x39 for the sks, again strippers filled, but this one's better for quicker fire and closer ranges and carrying around.

I would like to add .223 and 9mm to the aresenal for the sake of picking up ammo from zombies of the NATO persuasion.

RockyMtnTactical
December 3, 2008, 02:15 AM
No, not really, not in rifle calibers anyways. Military calibers just make sense for 99% of us.

RyanM
December 3, 2008, 02:25 AM
Rifles? No. 5.56mm and 7.62x39mm.

Pistols are all .40, though.

rondog
December 3, 2008, 02:26 AM
When/if (God forbid) the SHTF, I can visualize the majority of the population freaking out. The vast majority are totally unprepared, can't say I am either.

I can imagine things getting pretty ugly in a hurry.

franconialocal
December 3, 2008, 03:21 AM
Savage Arms bolt action .243

One of the best rifles I ever owned. I would love to see .243 or .270 be offered in an AR or AK style semi-auto platform. Anyone know of any?? That new .458 SOCOM looks really great.

tribbles
December 3, 2008, 01:47 PM
Hmm. Let's see - I think all my firearms are current or ex-military chamberings:

12ga.
8x57mm Mauser
7x57mm Mauser
.308 Winchester
.30-06
7.62x54R
7.62x39
9mm Parabellum

.22LR - hey, there's one! Oh yeah, I forgot about training rifles...never mind...

That being said, I have the ability to reload .308, .30-06, 7.62x39, and 9mm. However...

My grandfather (who will be 89 on Friday) has decided to cut back on his reloading, and gave me most of his existing setup last week (including a Dillon 550B). Apparently, in theory, I can now also reload for several calibers I have nothing to fire out of, because he had dies for:

.25 ACP (yeah, I can't figure that one out, either)
.32 H&R Magnum
.380
.38 Special
.40 S&W
.41 Magnum
.45 ACP
.223 Remington
.243 Winchester
.30-30
7x57mm Mauser
7mm Remington Magnum
.444 Marlin

I also have about a metric buttload of brass (it was already an Imperial crapload before I got his brass stash), in these and many more calibers.

Guess if the S really did HTF I could load and trade these for other things.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 3, 2008, 02:01 PM
I suppose my *extended* SHTF battery includes a levergun in .45 colt, and a long-range "interdiction rifle" ( :) ) in .243 Win.

Are we counting 12 ga as military? If not, there's that too.

scotjute
December 3, 2008, 05:25 PM
Yep, .22 mag and .357 mag. Also have 6.5x55, however that was a miliary round at one time.

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