Ammunition storage location


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red_cedar
December 1, 2008, 10:26 PM
I have been getting some slack lately about where I am storing my ammunition. There are expressed fears of the house blowing up.

I probably have all told in a combination of 12 gauge, 7.62x39, .308. 9mm,
40 S&W. about 10,000+ rds I keep in the basement on a wood pallet.
Not as much some but more then others.

Where do you guys keep your ammunition.

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kingpin008
December 1, 2008, 10:55 PM
Why would the house "blow up" because of where you're storing your ammo?

I mean, unless you're storing it in the fireplace with a fire burning, I'd imagine you're pretty safe. And even then, ammo doesn't "blow up", it burns.

But because you asked, I store my ammo in my bedroom, within reach of my bed.

7.62Reaper
December 1, 2008, 10:58 PM
Why don't you store it in your bomb shelter?

Highland Ranger
December 1, 2008, 11:39 PM
only 10,000 rounds? don't you have a coffee table you can use?

kidding aside, house isn't going to blow up. store in a dry place

NAK
December 2, 2008, 12:15 AM
My worry is about spreading out the weight loading on the floor...I live in a 4th floor apartment. :D

Shotgun shells under the bed (12 cases fits nicely)

Spam cans of CMP 30-06 in the kitchen cabinets.

The rest spread out between a couple of closets in wheeled storage boxes.

22-rimfire
December 2, 2008, 12:26 AM
10,000 rounds weight something like 66 lbs. Not enough to concern yourself with no matter where you store it.

I use a metal cabinet and a closet to store my ammunition.

CU74
December 2, 2008, 01:00 AM
I have the advantage of living in a rural area, so my ammo storage options are better than most. We don't worry about explosions, but I am a little uneasy about keeping too much in the basement. Fire department folk tend to get a bit shy when they hear rounds cooking off, but since the nearest fire station is about ten miles away, we may not have that to worry about.............

We keep a few rifles, shotguns and a small amount - probably less than two thousand rounds - in the reinforced concrete "safe room" in the basement, (Kansas - tornadoes) . Most of our ammunition, (several thousand rounds) is kept in the shop area of a separate building. Reloading supplies, including many pounds of powder and several thousand primers, are also in the shop.

We don't consider the rest of our ammo to be "in storage". That would include the two boxes sitting on my desk, (unloaded revolver in a drawer) the two loaded magazines on top of the bookcase, (for the rifle in the corner) the loose rounds and loaded mags in my bureau in the walk-in closet, (two handguns there) the loaded magazines in the bag with the semi-auto pistol in the linen closet. (There is also the ammo that is in the two revolvers, a semi-auto pistol and a pump shotgun in our bedroom.)

Calibre44
December 2, 2008, 08:24 AM
Well over here all centrefire ammunition must be kept in a locked gunsafe (in a separate lockable compartment within it) or in an ammo safe. Black Powder has to be stored in an approved wooden compartmentalised box secured to the fabric of the house.

Reloading equipment, primers, powder, cases and bullets can be left anywhere in the house – ammo has to locked away when assembled.

The irony with our gun laws is that shotgun ammo doesn’t have to be locked away and can be stored anywhere in the house so long as it is out of the reach of children – that’s because it isn’t as dangerous.:rolleyes:

red_cedar
December 2, 2008, 10:31 AM
I'm not worried about it. If I had reloading equipment and supplies that would be differnt.
All I have been hearing from significant other is about everyone being killed. It was her idea to post this question.
This all started when I was asked what I wanted for christmas, ammunition was on the list and the issue with what was in the basement came up.

I figure if there is a fire, the basement will be the last to go, presuming a fire starts upstairs.

Mannlicher
December 2, 2008, 10:49 AM
I store ammo in a couple of Stack On style barrel key safes. I frame them up inside with 1x1 pine, install shelves, and fill them up. :)

knockonit
December 2, 2008, 10:54 AM
I keep all mine in a 20ft container on the back half of lot, also is home to quite a collection of Milsurps I've collected over the years, it also contains a couple safes for the small stuff.
Here in Az. humidity isn't a problem very often, so storage is pretty easy.
happy holidays.

Highland Ranger
December 2, 2008, 11:24 AM
Ammo in a fire pops - NOT what Hollywood shows you. That may be the source of her concern. Without a barrel the projectile can't develop velocity. So if, God forbid, there is a fire in your house, it won't be like a division of marines firing at you. As noted below, there are other common household items that are far more dangerous.

Excerpt from: http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/faq.htm

Isn't it dangerous to collect ammunition? If there is a fire, wouldn't it blow up the neighborhood?
Virtually every household in America contains many common items which are far more dangerous than even a massive ammunition collection. Cans of spray paint or hair spray, a container of gasoline for a lawn mower, or a propane tank for a BBQ grill or even a small propane torch for home improvement use will all "explode" about as easily as ammunition, and cause more damage by providing fuel to a fire.
Tests have shown that ammunition exposed to a fire may eventually be heated to the point that the primer and/or powder will ignite. This will usually result in the cartridge case rupturing, and force the primer from the primer pocket. The powder burns, and does not explode. Since the ammunition is not constrained within the barrel of a gun, the force is dispersed in all directions, and the bullet will do little more than drop out of the case. The primer, any pieces of the ruptured cartridge case, and the bullet will not penetrate anything much stronger than a corrugated cardboard box a few inches away. Military surplus "ammo cans" are excellent and safe methods for storing ammunition. Newspaper accounts of house or business fires where "bullets exploded by the heat went shooting over firefighters' heads" are completely false and based on invalid assumptions and ignorance. However, news people often leap to hysterical conclusions which attract a lot of attention and are seldom corrected (References- Major General Julian S. Hatcher, U.S. Army Ordnance Corps, Hatcher's Notebook, Harrisburg, PA, 1962, pages 531-540. Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute video- "Sporting Ammunition and the Firefighter.")

SAAMI has a publication on ammo in a fire: http://www.saami.org/Publications.cfm

50 cents if you want to spring for it.

Quinbus
December 2, 2008, 11:34 AM
They recently did an episode of Mythbusters where they tested the effects of storing your ammo in an oven at 400 degrees (a science project I wish i had thought of in the third grade :) ). The rounds eventually popped; the bullets did not have enough energy to break through the oven glass.

Until they tested a chambered round...

Farnorthdan
December 2, 2008, 12:04 PM
^^^^You beat me to it....I thought everyone watched mythbusters:rolleyes:

The only round that did any damage to the stove used for cooking off was the .50BMG and if I remember right it only cracked the glass on the door when it cooded off....



DS

jbauch357
December 2, 2008, 12:13 PM
I keep my supplies in .30 and .50 cal ammo cans in a closet, clearly marked on the outside with the type and quantity. Each can also has multiple cardboard wafers that emit a rust prohibitive ozone - just to make sure if any moisture somehow found it's way into the cans it wouldn't cause any damage. With multiple types and calibers, there is probably 200-300 lbs of ammo in the closet - but it's spread out more than a large person's weight would be if they were standing there so I'm not worried. The gun safe on the other hand - I am a little worried about...

KBintheSLC
December 2, 2008, 07:23 PM
All I have been hearing from significant other is about everyone being killed. It was her idea to post this question.

It's not going to happen. Loaded ammo is safe and it will not explode all at once in a fire. It will burn and you might hear rounds popping, but without being in a chamber, the bullets will just pop out with almost no velocity. The entire stack will not blow up like some kind of bomb. The physics and chemistry of the situation will not facilitate that.

pinstripe
December 3, 2008, 12:55 AM
I keep mine stored in ammo cans and those cans are stored in my workshop under lock and key.

7.62X25mm
December 3, 2008, 12:57 AM
"Getting some slack" means "being tolerated."

red_cedar
December 3, 2008, 01:44 AM
"Getting some slack" means "being tolerated

Getting some slack to me means 'kind of a hard time.'

357Opus
December 3, 2008, 03:18 AM
Here is a video put out by SAAMI regarding ammunition and fire.

http://www.saami.org/video/index.cfm

WardenWolf
December 3, 2008, 03:59 AM
That video pretty much covers it. In the case of a loaded firearm in a fire, the only round that can even possibly go bang is the one in the chamber, and even then it's unlikely.

There is maybe one ammo type I know of that could pose a threat, and only because it is so unusual: the 7.62 Nagant cartridge. The bullet is actually set back into the cartridge, behind a crimp, and uses the cartridge itself as part of the barrel. Because of this unusual setup, there IS the possibility of this cartridge cooking off with enough force to do some damage. However, it's uncommon enough that I really don't think you need to worry about it.

novaDAK
December 3, 2008, 02:15 PM
I keep all my boxed ammo in a cabinet next to the safe. I could run a lock and chain though the handles but don't see the point. No little kids around, and the guns (that aren't being carried) are unloaded and stored in the safe. I have a few ammo cans full of loose range ammo and some unopened cases of ammo beside the cabinet 'cause its too heavy and won't fit in there.

hso
December 3, 2008, 02:57 PM
There are expressed fears of the house blowing up.

Unless you are storing black powder or very large quantities of primers you're house won't blow up due to ammo cooking off in a fire. Doesn't happen. We've had this discussion many times before (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=278523) and the firefighters who've responded debunk this myth.

Coronach
December 3, 2008, 03:16 PM
"Getting some slack" means "being tolerated

Getting some slack to me means 'kind of a hard time.'Sounds like a corruption of "cutting some slack" (giving someone a break) and "getting some static" (which means being griped at a little).

In any event, no, the ammo won't blow up. It won't even burn in a manner that is particularly dangerous, unless you're standing in the middle of the fire while it is cooking off. Then you might have your eye put out- but you'd have bigger problems, because you'd be standing in the middle of a fire. ;) I assure you that you have a bazillion other things in your house that are orders of magnitude more dangerous than a palletful of loaded ammuntion. Some of them might be in your significant other's hair care shelf in the bathroom (cans of hairspray? *WHOOSH*)

I think the main reason firefighters are cautions around ammo cooking off is that they don't know what else is there. If there's ammo, there might be a gun. If there's a gun, it might be loaded (THAT is a cook-off hazard worth worrying about). Or, there could be large cannisters of smokeless powder (major deflagration hazard), or lots of primers (explosion hazard), or a big cannister of your favorite smokeless powder for your muzzleloader (run away!)

Mike

tank mechanic
December 3, 2008, 03:20 PM
Here is a video put out by SAAMI regarding ammunition and fire.

http://www.saami.org/video/index.cfm

All that poor ammo defenseless ammo! Make them stop! :eek:

Pretty cool video though.

7.62X25mm
December 3, 2008, 03:27 PM
"Slack" is the loose drape in a line, rope. The term "slacks," as in the pants you wear, derives from the idea that they drape loosely from the waist.

You can Google the term, or you could take the word of a retired prof. with degrees in English and linguistics.

Firemen worry about "cook offs" in ammo storage just because it's one more thing to think about in a fire. We're drilled at the volunteer fire dept. here repeatedly about "car fires" in this area because most vehicles have guns and ammo in them.

But we're more concerned about fuel storage in garages and barns.

Envisaged
December 3, 2008, 03:28 PM
Under the bed - on the wife's side.

Rolex24
December 3, 2008, 03:30 PM
I'm interested in why nobody keeps their ammo in the gun safe? I'm probably just ignorant to the common sense reason so please educate me. I've only had my safe for two years and I don't have the safe so full (yet!) that my ammo can't fit in it as well....am I doing something wrong?

ServiceSoon
December 3, 2008, 03:51 PM
I'm interested in why nobody keeps their ammo in the gun safe? I'm probably just ignorant to the common sense reason so please educate me. I've only had my safe for two years and I don't have the safe so full (yet!) that my ammo can't fit in it as well....am I doing something wrong?I store my ammunition in my gun safe too. I guess we are both doing the same wrong, not buying enough guns!

I'm not worried about it. If I had reloading equipment and supplies that would be differnt.
All I have been hearing from significant other is about everyone being killed. It was her idea to post this question.
This all started when I was asked what I wanted for christmas, ammunition was on the list and the issue with what was in the basement came up.
Before I started storing my ammunition in my safe it was in the clothes closet and my wife asked me if the lead posed a health issue. GOtta love em :)

karz10
December 3, 2008, 05:01 PM
Sometimes I've heard people say they're 'getting some flak' about this or that, someone griping about something directed at them, and I've heard some people say getting some slack when they meant flak, that's what I took the OP to mean.

Maybe if the mrs would learn about ammunition she would cut him some slack, and wouldn't give him so much flak about his ammo being stored in the basement, since I agree that if there are no other threats of fire in the basement, and if it's more likely a fire would come from above, the basement is a logical place, but that's mainly for the preservation of the ammo, as opposed to fear of it, since as others have so thoroughly explained, unless it's in a chamber connected to a barrel, there shouldn't be anything to fear.

I don't think I'd keep chambered rounds, in guns facing up, that are stored in the basement however...

Karz

red_cedar
December 3, 2008, 05:33 PM
I've heard some people say getting some slack when they meant flak,

she would cut him some slack, and wouldn't give him so much flak

yea, thats it, Thanks guys.


LOL

Highland Ranger
December 3, 2008, 06:59 PM
I'm interested in why nobody keeps their ammo in the gun safe?

Doesn't fit.

jbauch357
December 3, 2008, 07:02 PM
I'm interested in why nobody keeps their ammo in the gun safe? I'm probably just ignorant to the common sense reason so please educate me. I've only had my safe for two years and I don't have the safe so full (yet!) that my ammo can't fit in it as well....am I doing something wrong?

how big of a safe is it, how many guns do you own, and how much ammo are you stockpiling?

the original intent for my safe was gun and ammo storage, now I barely have room for my guns and some practice ammo - no way in hell could I fit everything I have into the safe.

senior
December 3, 2008, 07:58 PM
Good thing ammo poses no problem when stored in the closet as i have about 3000 rds of different cal stored in a closet in their shipping boxes and in ammo cans.

distra
December 3, 2008, 11:15 PM
If your house is going to blow mine must be already on fire! :evil: Just kidding, I store mine in a wood lockable cabinet in the basement along with all my powder and primers. There is little danger of things going "boom" so long as the cabinet does not catch fire from the outside.

CU74
December 3, 2008, 11:29 PM
Ammo in a gun safe?:what:? I, (and I suspect many others here) buy ammo by the case:cool:. I couldn't get just my handgun ammo to fit in a gun safe, and I have much more rifle ammo than handgun ammo. I'm currently maintaining eighteen different calibers.....

Rolex24
December 4, 2008, 09:30 AM
Ammo in a gun safe?? I, (and I suspect many others here) buy ammo by the case. I couldn't get just my handgun ammo to fit in a gun safe, and I have much more rifle ammo than handgun ammo.

OK, now that's logic I can completely wrap my head around. I went by the shop near my work at lunch yesterday, brick of 22(will fit in the safe), can of 5.56 that was on sale, won't fit if I don't take it out of the can. I got a safe bigger than I thought I'd ever need. Have enough room for two more long guns in the current configuration which allows for half to be shelves for family "stuff", optics and ammo......so I'd have to agree with you all, I need to buy more of everything:)

JohnBT
December 4, 2008, 10:35 AM
"Where do you guys keep your ammunition."

Ammo cans in the 2nd-floor hall closet. Ammo cans under the antique mirrored dresser in one bedroom. 3 ammo cans in a Kennedy metal gun cabinet in the trunk room/office/little bedroom over the front hall. 4 or 5 cardboard boxes (smaller than copy paper boxes) of assorted ammo I haven't put away yet. 2 large Rubbermaid bins and a big cardboard box of ammo under the old iron frame double bed - lots of space under the old bed, there're 3 hard rifle cases stacked under there too.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

Oh yeah, and an old ($15 a brick) case of Wolf Match Target I've been using for a door stop between the back bedroom and the 2nd floor sun porch. I don't want the wind to slam it shut and break any of the 16 panes of wavy old glass.

The only ammo in my safe is in mags. There's just no room.

The Wiry Irishman
December 4, 2008, 12:19 PM
10,000 rounds weight something like 66 lbs. Not enough to concern yourself with no matter where you store it.

That seems about right for rimfire, but I've got single cases of .308 and .44 that come close to that by themselves. With large rifle cartriges, 10,000 rounds could weigh a couple hundred pounds.

Rimmer
December 4, 2008, 01:15 PM
This thread got me to thinking about the ammo I have in box's in different rooms around the house. Up until today I hadn't properly stored any of it after my move 2 years ago.

So, I started gathering it all into one place. OMG. I had no idea I had that much. I knew that I had about 15K of target grade 22. Turns out a bit more.
It's the 45 and 9mm that really turned me around. I have to quit going to gun shows and buying ammo just because I find a deal. This is just nuts.

I found 41 box's of 357. I sold that S&W about 10 years ago. :banghead:

Ya, to the OP. It ain't gonna go BOOM and explode the house. It would be a tad more dangerous if you had all that in powder stored in a keg though.:D

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