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bdickens
December 2, 2008, 09:46 AM
CVS pharmacy is parroting anti-gun propaganda on their website under Health Resources: Children's Health (http://www.cvshealthresources.com/topic/kidsguns). Among other things, they are repeating Kellerman's "43 times more likely" lie.

Write to them to voice your displeasure at:

CVS Corporation
Corporate Headquarters
One CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895

A list of their corporate officers can be found here: http://www.cvscaremark.com/our-company/leadership-team

My letter goes out today along with their ExtraCare card that I am mailing back to them.

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deaconkharma
December 2, 2008, 09:48 AM
:evil:

david_the_greek
December 2, 2008, 10:30 AM
I think I just threw up in my mouth... When is a kid ready to learn about guns? "never". What the f....udge

bdickens
December 2, 2008, 11:46 AM
Here's the letter:

Thomas M. Ryan
Chairman of the Board
CVS Corporation
Corporate Headquarters
One CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895

Dear Mr. Ryan:

I was rather distressed to find your company's website parroting anti-gun propaganda under the guise of “child safety.”

Among the misinformation is the statement that “2,852 children and teenagers died of gunshot wounds in 2004.” If you bother to look at the actual tabulated data, you notice that 2,494 of those deaths occur between the ages of 15-19. In fact, 70% of the “children” who are killed by firearms each year are in fact gang members who die in gang-related violence. A 17-year-old or older gang member who already has a history of violent crime is hardly a “child!”

Another falsehood your website promulgates is the infamous fiction from the American Academy of Pediatrics that “...a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill a friend or family member than an intruder.” That number came from a study by Arthur L. Kellerman in which he cherry-picked data in order to reach a preconceived conclusion. Kellerman's data included criminals shooting other criminals and failed to take into account the estimated 1.5-2.5 million times per year that firearms are used, most often without even firing a shot, to prevent crime. In fact, Kellerman's deeply flawed study has been so thoroughly debunked that he has been forced to retract it – yet anti-gun bigots continue to use his fiction to promote their anti-liberty, anti-personal responsibility and anti-Constitution agenda.

The propaganda given out on your website disguised as “child safety” is quite frankly disgusting. I don't go to the NRA for medical advice and I sure don't go to the American Academy of Pediatrics for firearms advice and neither should you. It would be far more helpful to use information from the NRA's Eddie Eagle program. If you contacted them, I am certain they would be more than glad to help disseminate real firearms safety information.

As long as CVS Pharmacy parrots anti-gun propaganda, I will take my business elsewhere. Please find enclosed my and my families' ExtraCare cards. We won't be needing them any more because we will be spending our money at Walgreens and encouraging everyone we know to do likewise.

david_the_greek
December 2, 2008, 12:00 PM
wow, pretty good. Would you mind if I used a similar set up to yours (minus the family part and more towards the misinformation part)? Companies need to know that they will not receive business from gun owners if they attack us so recklessly

General Geoff
December 2, 2008, 12:51 PM
-- Chris Woolston, M.S., is a health and medical writer with a master's degree in biology.

He's about as qualified to talk about guns as a mathematician is qualified to grade creative writing assignments.


I'll be writing to CVS shortly.

bikerdoc
December 2, 2008, 01:24 PM
letter sent

Crimp
December 2, 2008, 01:53 PM
As a CVS customer, this really bothered me. LETTER SENT!

bdickens
December 2, 2008, 01:54 PM
...Would you mind if I used a similar set up to yours...?

Go for it. Just be sure to put the ideas in your own words.Gun Facts (http://www.gunfacts.info/) is your friend.

IncredibleGord
December 2, 2008, 02:24 PM
Never touch a gun for any reason.:what:

CentralTexas
December 2, 2008, 04:27 PM
and read bios of the editorial team, journalists mostly, some even have MSNBC backgrounds! ;)

CentralTexas
December 2, 2008, 04:43 PM
and was transferred over to Ashley xxxx that deals with their website issues. SHe was unaware it was ther and couldn't find it, I started to email a link and she said wait I just got a email from my supervisor can I put you on hlod etc. A couple of minutes later she says the Super said they are getting emails etc., and said this probably won't be up long and apologized. We shall see...
Dec 2, 3:35 Texas time...

Blazer
December 2, 2008, 05:02 PM
Letter sent.

BP44
December 2, 2008, 05:16 PM
Great work fellas, and good link about the gun facts:)
Letter sent:cuss:

tyler500e
December 2, 2008, 05:27 PM
Letter Sent. Hellooo Walgreens! :)

brin747
December 2, 2008, 07:09 PM
Letter sent!!!


Thomas M. Ryan
Chairman of the Board
CVS Corporation
Corporate Headquarters
One CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895

Dear Sir,

As a long time CVS customer, I was very disappointed to find anti-gun propaganda currently posted on your corporate website in the Health Resources section under the heading “Children’s Health, Kids and Guns”. The author of this article, Chris Woolston, is clearly biased against firearms ownership and let’s her personal bias cloud her facts.

Among the misconceptions stated in the article is the following:

“What's more, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, guns used in school-related homicides and student suicides most often come from the child's own home or from a friend or relative.”

The article posted on your website also states the following:

“Never allow your child access to your gun(s). No matter how much instruction you may give him or her, a youngster in the middle years is not mature and responsible enough to handle a potentially lethal weapon. Certainly the recent wave of school massacres give ample evidence of that.”

In fact, a 2004 U.S. Justice Department study “Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse” showed that 0% of children that get guns from their parents commit gun-related crimes. Children who acquire firearms illegally are twice as likely to commit street crimes as are those given a firearm by their parents.

Additionally, according to the National Center for Heath Statistics, fatal gun accidents for children ages 0-14 declined by almost 83% from 1981 to 2002. This while the number of handguns per capita increased over 41% (according to BATF estimates).

Statistically, my children are at more risk of poisoning from accidental ingestion of many of the products sold at your stores than they are of being injured or killed by one of my firearms. (According to the Centers for Disease Control report “20 Leading Causes of Unintentional Injury Deaths” Ages 1-14, published in 2001.) Realistically, my children are far safer in the presence of firearms than a child that has been denied any form of training or instruction would be.


Just as I don’t expect the NRA to provide me with responsible and trustworthy medical advice, I would not expect CVS to take it upon yourselves to provide firearms safety advise to the public, especially when it is loaded with anti-gun rhetoric clearly intended to instill fear in the public.

As a businessman myself, I learned a long time ago to keep controversial political views out of my business dealings. It’s too bad CVS does not adhere to the same business philosophy. As a result, I will be taking my business to one of your competitors from now on, and will be advising my friends and relatives, many of whom are also responsible gun owners, to do likewise.

Geno
December 2, 2008, 08:09 PM
Is Walgreen at least neutral? Or do they appear on some anti list? CVS is a definite off my list.

Doc2005

armoredman
December 2, 2008, 08:34 PM
Can't say if Walgreens is nuetral, but they have no signs posted in any one I have been in, if that helps.

GrumpyBunny
December 2, 2008, 08:58 PM
Thanks for the guide and the information.

I am going to use your letter as the basis for mine. Consider that a compliment as that is how good your letter is. Thanks for the post. My letter will go out in the morning.

I am sincely tired of some non-gunner touting themselves as some kind of firearms safety expert. I certainly don't consider myself an "expert"

NRA certified Range Safety officer,
NRA certified Instructor in:
Home Firearm Safety
Basic Pistol
Basic Rifle
Basic Shotgun
Personal Protection In the Home
Gunnery Sergeant, USMC (ret)
Yes - I have a graduate degree too. Had to do something with all my free time!

brin747
December 2, 2008, 09:20 PM
Gee Grumpy, maybe you should write an article on pharmaceutical safety...

JohnKSa
December 2, 2008, 09:34 PM
Done.

It is disapointing to see anti-gun propaganda on CVS.com. Besides the fact that some of the material is from badly flawed studies it is just as ridiculous for a pharmacy to dispense gun safety information as it would be for a gun shop to give advice about personal prescriptions.

The"43 times more likely" statistic is terribly misleading. The study ignored the fact that in the VAST majority of successful self-defense cases involving guns the criminal is not even shot, let alone killed.

Also, 86% of the gun-related deaths in homes were suicides, not accidents or crimes.

The study compared the LEAST likely successful outcome of a gun self-defense use against a number composed mostly of suicides and stated it as if it were comparing the chances of using a gun in self-defense to the chances of being murdered or killed accidentally with a personally owned firearm.

Happily the wide selection of local pharmacies makes it easy to avoid using CVS in the future.

Dean Williams
December 2, 2008, 10:02 PM
Heck, go to Wal Mart. They will sell us our medicines and guns!

SHusky57
December 2, 2008, 10:49 PM
"When is a child old enough to use a gun responsibly?

Never, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. This is what the distinguished organization has to say about children and guns: Never allow your child access to your gun(s). No matter how much instruction you may give him or her, a youngster in the middle years is not mature and responsible enough to handle a potentially lethal weapon. Certainly the recent wave of school massacres give ample evidence of that.



If you still want your child to know how to hunt or shoot, wait until the teenage years to begin instruction. Your child may be intelligent and emotionally mature, and he may know the book on gun safety, but you simply can't trust him with a hunting rifle until he's at least 13 years old -- and not even then unless you are absolutely certain he is mature enough to be responsible. (Don't give your child a BB gun as a toy -- writer Alice Walker is among the many Americans who have lost an eye to a sibling's BB gun.) If you decide to let him use a gun, make it a rule that he must be accompanied by an adult."

Now I am just playing with words here... (I am a philosophy major, it's what we do).

When is a child old enough to responsibly use a gun?
Never.
Therefore, no one should be able to use guns because all people start as children and they [children] are never old enough to responsibly use a gun. Since children are never old enough to responsibly use a gun, adults aged eighteen and over are not old enough to responsibly use a gun and should be barred from using them in military and police duty - because they are incapable of being responsible with them. So no one should have guns, every gun in the world should be destroyed because no one can be responsible with them.

Aren't word games fun?

retgarr
December 2, 2008, 11:32 PM
I just checked Walgreens, they hae the same type of health resource but none of that anti gun nonsense there.

Lonest@r
December 3, 2008, 12:58 AM
And to think as a child I was aware of guns in the house, was taught the dangers and told not to play with them. Scary to think I actually went hunting before high school, and there were rifles/shotguns and ammo sitting visibly around the house, or worse, a friends house, and no one got hurt. Guess it's amazing I survived?

Think that is the first article I have ever read that stated such fear. While they're at it, might as well teach the surest way to protect your child from alcohol is to keep it out of his life, it only leads to promiscuity, broken homes and alcoholism.

No need to teach responsibility.:fire:

Lonest@r
December 3, 2008, 01:19 AM
Ironically... Cops find 400 'guns' for sale at CVS store

http://www.ravnwood.com/archives/004501.php

TwitchALot
December 3, 2008, 02:30 AM
When is a child old enough to use a gun responsibly?

Never, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. This is what the distinguished organization has to say about children and guns: Never allow your child access to your gun(s). No matter how much instruction you may give him or her, a youngster in the middle years is not mature and responsible enough to handle a potentially lethal weapon. Certainly the recent wave of school massacres give ample evidence of that.

If you still want your child to know how to hunt or shoot, wait until the teenage years to begin instruction. Your child may be intelligent and emotionally mature, and he may know the book on gun safety, but you simply can't trust him with a hunting rifle until he's at least 13 years old -- and not even then unless you are absolutely certain he is mature enough to be responsible. (Don't give your child a BB gun as a toy -- writer Alice Walker is among the many Americans who have lost an eye to a sibling's BB gun.) If you decide to let him use a gun, make it a rule that he must be accompanied by an adult.

-- Chris Woolston, M.S., is a health and medical writer with a master's degree in biology. He is a contributing editor at Consumer Health Interactive, and was the staff writer at Hippocrates, a magazine for physicians. He has covered science issues for Time Inc. Health and WebMD, and is the co-author of Generation Extra Large: Rescuing Our Children from the Epidemic of Obesity (Perseus Books, 2005).. His reporting on occupational health earned him an award from the northern California Society of Professional Journalists.

Why people go to Hollywood and the AAP for gun advice is mind boggling.

Right back at you Mr. Woolston (http://corneredcat.com/Kids/1932.aspx). And, if anyone is interested, here's the icing (http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6222/americanriflemanxt5.jpg).

taprackbang
December 3, 2008, 08:00 AM
The CVS article is typical bullcrap, big brother propaganda. (Children leave the house and tell an adult about the gun!)
I esp. love the part about, "Guns are only safe when they are unloaded, locked in a safe, and put away"
In other words, they want your gun to be useless.

I have always hated CVS anyway, this just confirms my dislike for them. I am a Walgreen-er.

bdickens
December 3, 2008, 09:03 AM
Walgreens has no such propaganda posted.

ilbob
December 3, 2008, 09:17 AM
I agree with at least part of their message. Younger children should not be given unsupervised access to firearms.

bdickens
December 3, 2008, 09:25 AM
Even a watch that has stopped tells the right time twice a day.

Rifleman 173
December 3, 2008, 10:03 AM
So also follow up the OTHER way and notify Walgreens as to why you dumped CVS Pharmacies for their services. In other words, also point out that by NOT being anti-gun nuts they GET your business. Make being anti-gun in the business world a bad thing and pro-gun a good thing.

ccsniper
December 3, 2008, 10:08 AM
A gun means it's time to go. If your child sees a gun at a neighbor's house or elsewhere, he should leave immediately and tell you or another adult about it. (It's not enough to tell your child never to touch a gun. If his friend is handling a gun, your child is in grave danger.)


that i agree with. i was raised on eddie eagle safety videos. although i do think its funny they mention, "if you keep a gun in the home, you will more likely kill yourself or someone you know than a bad guy" but they dont mention "if dont keep a gun in your home, the bad guy is more likely to kill you!"

Lonest@r
December 3, 2008, 10:19 AM
A gun means it's time to go. If your child sees a gun at a neighbor's house or elsewhere, he should leave immediately and tell you or another adult about it.that i agree with.
NOt quite, if being played with or used inappropriately, YES. If simply sitting harmless in a closet or drawer, NO. All we need is a bunch of emotional anti parents calling LE pointing out all the responsible gun owners, menawhile not only causing their child to possibly 'fear' guns, but also possibly to peak their curiosity.

Don't you know, never tell a child NO, not because you shouldn't, but because that is the first thing the WILL do. Teach them responsibility and ability to make rational decisions.

Crimp
December 3, 2008, 11:09 AM
I opted to email CVS comments to their web site.
It only took 3 minutes to get a response!

Dear Valued CVS.com Customer,

Thank you for contacting CVS.com.

After reviewing your comments, we have forwarded them to the appropriate group at CVS for consideration.

If you require further assistance, please contact us by email at customercare@cvs.com or by phone at (888) 607-4287.

As always, thank you for choosing CVS.com.


Sincerely,
Derek Dubois
Customer Care Department
www.CVS.com
(888) 607-4CVS (4287)
customercare@cvs.com

David904
December 3, 2008, 12:05 PM
It was an automated response. Nobody read your email that quickly. I called Corporate CVS and spoke with a woman who was purportedly shocked by what I had to tell her. She said that she and her family had guns as well and that the article that was posted on their website was completely out of line.

She said that she was going to forward this information up the chain. We'll see what that bring us.

CVS Corporate: 866-222-9438

ccsniper
December 3, 2008, 01:46 PM
Don't you know, never tell a child NO, not because you shouldn't, but because that is the first thing the WILL do. Teach them responsibility and ability to make rational decisions

im 19, and that is just how i was raised. my dad started me on guns in the second grade, but i knew not to touch them and NEVER play with them when i wasnt even able to hold them yet.

caseypj
December 3, 2008, 03:30 PM
Email sent.

wbrown609
December 3, 2008, 03:51 PM
Skip CVS, Wal Mart, and Walgreens. Go to your local independent drug store.

doc540
December 3, 2008, 04:35 PM
call made to customer service

don't know that she'll do anything, but she did a great job at handling the call:what:

conw
December 3, 2008, 11:45 PM
http://www.csicop.org/healthyskeptic/

Pic of Woolston there.

Google search showed he has also written for United Nation-related publications...in-ter-esting.

I like the idea about telling Walgreens why we (I) will give them business, in addition to complaining!

In fact, I think I'll go there now :)

SHusky57
December 4, 2008, 08:00 AM
Just something of a side note. I did gun sales at an outdoors store and nothing bothered me more (other than some absolute morons) than when parents would want to buy a gun.... not tell their kids it's in the house, not teach their kids safety rules, and just assume that their kids would never find it.

I know a lot of people who grew up around guns, learned safety early on, and never had any problems. It just frightens me that a parent would want to shelter their kids from guns to the point of not even taking them out shooting and showing them how dangerous they are, and then teaching safe handling. If your only defense against your kid shooting himself is "I hid it" and "they didn't know there was one in the house" that's just not really a defense. Kids need to learn safety, not irrational fear and paranoia. This applies to guns, alcohol, sex, and every other controversial topic. Obviously it should be age appropriate, but how many "accidental" deaths could be prevented if some idiot taught there kid "treat all guns as loaded", "even with the magazine removed there is a round in the chamber", and "do not point at anything you do not want to shoot at."

Anyways, one quick story. A family of morons bought a Rossi revolver for home protection. Idiot dad was wearing a highway patrol hat. He was obviously not a trooper judging by his gut. Mom wanted to become a cop. At checkout, dad opens the box to see if a trigger lock will fit on said revolver. In doing so he a) does not open the cylinder to verify unloaded, b) points the gun at his kids head while trying to put on the trigger lock and c) when I interject and tell him he should always open the cylinder to verify that it is unloaded he responds, "well [dur da dur] we knew it was unloaded." And if the gun is for home protection, what good is one of those damn trigger locks going to do that takes 15 minutes to get off? Oh well.... I just hope he doesn't point loaded (it's loaded until it's verified unloaded IMO) weapons at his kids heads while fumbling with the trigger mechanism.

brin747
December 4, 2008, 09:07 AM
Very well said Shushky! When I made the decision to purchase guns and learn to use them I decided we would do it as a family. My wife and I went first and took a private class at a local range with an NRA certified instructor, then I took my boys in for a class with the same guy.

We constantly talk safety and the rules of safety, and we practice together while all watching each other for unsafe practices.

It just makes good sense...

kludge
December 4, 2008, 11:05 AM
My e-mail:

Subject: Pharmacy Choice

Dear CVS,

Thank you for making my choice in pharmacy much simpler. I will no longer be shopping at any of your stores. I also have a wife and five children who will no longer be using your pharmacy or the MinuteClinic.

Why you ask?

http://www.cvshealthresources.com/topic/kidsguns

As a firearms instructor who teaches kids, youth, and adults about gun safety, your web page is only thinly veiled anti-gun propaganda intended to strike fear into the unknowing, rather than giving those people respect and learning (like all forms of bigotry and prejudice).

I will also be contacting friends and family to ask them to also boycott CVS. Since I am the president of a gun club, this could be well over two hundred people, plus their families. And I'm sure they know people too.

Thank you for you time,
Kludge

ultradoc
December 4, 2008, 11:24 AM
Did my part!!

AllAmerican
December 9, 2008, 10:33 AM
I wrote to them yesterday and got a standard reply. Walgreens simply says store ammo away from the guns.

donaldb
December 9, 2008, 12:55 PM
Looks like out letters did some good, if you go to the site the pages is missing now. :)

CentralTexas
December 9, 2008, 01:43 PM
To the High Road crew!

DutchmanDick
December 9, 2008, 10:41 PM
Well, there's no CVS pharmacy anywhere near me, but I cartainly wouldn't shop there if there was one!:barf:

When I was 3, my parents used to take me to the rifle range near Alameda Naval Base, CA (where my dad was stationed, aboard the USS "Hancock", CVA-19), when they went plinking. Had my own set of "Mickey-Mouse ears" to protect my young ears (still have 'em, too!).

My dad started teaching me gun safety and shooting properly when I was about 7 or 8 years old, starting with an old lever-action Daisy BB gun, shooting down our long hallway into a cardboard box packed with old newspapers.

My first gun capable of firing a truly lethal projectile was the .45 caliber CVA " English Belt Pistol" one of my uncles gave me for Christmas (along with a pound of Goex FFFg and some lead balls) when I was 9. Probably the coolest gift a 9-year-old could get, IMHO:D

My grandfather (on my father's side) gave me a 16-gauge Stevens ("Ranger") Model 520A and a Ward' "Western Field" 20-gauge pump when I was 12. I used the 16-gauge with slugs the first time I ever went deer hunting, at age 15 (didn't get anything, though - but that's because I didn't SEE anything to shoot!)

When I was 13, I built a .32 caliber CVA squirrel rifle from a kit, with only a little help from Dad. I paid for half of it from my allowance, and my parents paid for the other half.

When I was 16, my parents told me that if I wanted a Ruger 10-22, I again had to come up with half of the money - which I did.

When I was 17, I bought a $99.00 Spiller and Burr .36 caliber brass-framed revolver kit from Dixie Gunworks. Actually, I gave the money to my mom, who then filled out the order, as Dixie would not sell guns or kits to anyone under 18 years of age. My chemistry teacher even gave me some saltpeter from the lab supplies to make nitrated paper for revolver cartridges (didn't work too well, as in ignorance I had used too heavy a thickness of paper - now I know better...:rolleyes:)

Funny, I never did turn into a crazed psychopath, massacre my classmates and teachers, or shoot a friend, family member, acquaintance, or even a total stranger, accidentally or otherwise...

TooTaxed
December 11, 2008, 12:09 AM
I just tried to find the CVS link to "kidsnguns" provided in the initial EMAIL...they seem to have pulled it.

Good work, fellows! :D

Docgmt
December 14, 2008, 10:08 AM
A second reason to never go into a CVS ever again. :fire:

I had already stopped going to CVS along with thousands of people who have had their cars towed by private companies hired by CVS to “keep the parking lots clear for "customers” in metropolitan areas. N.J., N.Y. & D.C. My daughter had her car towed after she walked into a CVS to pick up meds, car was gone within 5 min of walking in. Towing company claimed their spotter did not see her go into the store. What customer service!!! a spotter across the street, the towing companies are making a killing hooking every car they can. Even though she was a customer it still cost her $$$ to get her car back.:cuss: http://towingutopia.blogspot.com/2008/09/predatory-towing-is-great-way-to-kill.html

Deltaboy
December 14, 2008, 10:10 PM
http://www.cvshealthresources.com/topic/kidsguns

It is gone now :):)

TooTaxed
December 15, 2008, 11:56 AM
This isn't quite on the subject, but as there's been discussion on kids and guns...

As a range safety officer I've started providing kids (and some grownup newbies) a short, basic course on safe gun handling. I find that almost universally when newbies pick up a pistol they have their finger on the trigger instead of along the frame of the gun above the trigger. And when they look at the pistol they hold it sideways pointing at someone rather than in a safe direction. First things to teach...:scrutiny:

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