Had a thumb safety installed on my G 27, best thing I ever did.


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btefft
December 3, 2008, 12:06 PM
Had a thumb safety installed on my G 27, best thing I ever did.

I know some of Glock worshippers are going to flame me, but I did it, I had Ten Ring install a thumb safety on my Glock 27.

The first auto I ever owned, and still have, is my Springfield 1911 A1, I really rely on its thumb safety to keep it from firing when I don't want it to.

But I always wanted a Glock, don't know why, just one of those things. So, I bought me a G27, but I was always uncomfortable with the idea that a piece on my shirt, or something else, could snag the trigger and make it fire as I re-holstered it. I experimented, and with the gun empty, I let it hang from my finger, kinda bounced it, and the trigger pulled, so I know a piece of shirt could make it do it, too.. I guess I could say that that G27 has a "hair trigger" (makes it shoot REAL good, though). I thought about keeping the chamber empty, but didn't want to do that. Solution, thumb safety - I came across it in one of my gun rags.

I'm so sold on a thumb safeties, that I even sold my old XD45, then turned right around and bought the new one with the thumb safety.

The only autos I own with no thumb safeties are my Ruger LCP and KT PF9. But on both of them, the length of the trigger pull is considerable, so I feel okay with those.

It's my hangup, but I just like notion of a safety on a gun that shots as easily as one like my Glock. Oh, the thumb safety on the G27 is right were it is on the 1911, so it took no getting used to.

Hack

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SightSeeker
December 3, 2008, 12:09 PM
Can they do it to a MP9?

MJRW
December 3, 2008, 12:12 PM
The first auto I ever owned, and still have, is my Springfield 1911 A1, I really rely on its thumb safety to keep it from firing when I don't want it to.

Odd, I rely upon not pulling the trigger when I don't want the gun to fire. Have you tried that?

BornAgainBullseye
December 3, 2008, 12:17 PM
Plaxico Burris should have dont this. Better yet he should know better not to carry in N.Y. or at a place of nusience, which is a bigger no no. Gun did not accidently go off, dont pull the trigger and it wont go off. Or dont get a glock if you dont like the way it operates. Who did the work on the glock??

rcmodel
December 3, 2008, 12:24 PM
Have you tried that?That only works until it doesn't.

There have been a lot of Glock ND's over the years where the trigger got snagged on a holster strap, jacket draw-string, or other stuff.

I put a Cominilli Safety on my Glock 23 several years ago, and like it very much.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5532&title=MANUAL%20SAFETY%20KIT%20FOR%20GLOCK~

Had the Siderlock Safety been available then, I probably would have went that way because you don't need to notch the grip.
http://www.siderlock.com/

I was weaned on a 1911, and have carried them for at least 45 of my 65 years.
I often just stuff one cocked & locked down the back of my pants Mexican Carry and go about my business.

Do that with a stock Glock & you just might blow your azz off!
Like Plaxico Burris!

rcmodel

Walkalong
December 3, 2008, 02:21 PM
I was weaned on a 1911Yep, and once you get used to a thumb safety it is second nature. I like a thumb safety. I am always looking for one on my XD, but I can't ever find it. :rolleyes:

I often just stuff one cocked & locked in my britches, crossdraw.

skers69
December 3, 2008, 07:03 PM
btefft...If I may ask...how much did that set you back?

btefft
December 3, 2008, 11:17 PM
skers69, 131.00 plus what I paid to have the US Post Office carry the lower assembly for me.

Here's the site to the folks who did the work for me.
http://tenring.com/glockwork.html

I'll post some pics tomorrow.

Hack

btefft
December 3, 2008, 11:26 PM
Yeah, MJRW, I tried that and it works, when I'm the one pulling, or not pulling, the trigger.

But did you know that other things can pull a trigger, too.

rcmodel, said it better than I could have, MJRW, be sure to read his post again.

Hack

btefft
December 3, 2008, 11:33 PM
SIghtseeker, I don't know about a PF9, You can call and find out. They are real nice folks

http://tenring.com/ has a phone number and more info.

Hack

wyocarp
December 4, 2008, 12:00 AM
Odd, I rely upon not pulling the trigger when I don't want the gun to fire. Have you tried that?

Good Response. By the way, safeties only work until they don't as well.

Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 12:08 AM
I think an external thumb safety on a Glock makes a lot of sense, and wish Glock would offer a model featuring it for sale in the US. I have heard Glock has produced thumb safety models on request for large volume purchasers.

Randyc74
December 4, 2008, 12:19 AM
I have the Siderlock trigger safety on my daily carry Glock 23. If I ever want to remove it, I can easily re-install the stock trigger.
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/Randyc74/OWB/100_1633.jpg

meef
December 4, 2008, 12:22 AM
Good move man.

If I still owned a Glock - and out of the three I had, I don't - the only way I would carry it is with one of the exact same modification.

As to the smartass comments about the trigger, shine 'em on and just consider the source.

btefft
December 4, 2008, 12:38 AM
Get ready Lone Gunman, you probably gonna get flamed by those that see no good in a safety, because it won't make a "lot of sense" to them. They don't know how to take it, or leave it. I merely reported what I did, for me my comfort, and got a few negative replies.

But a lot more folks (I post to other forums, too) have shown an interest and asked for pics and the web site of the folks who did my work for me.

So, I feel better now.

Hack

btefft
December 4, 2008, 12:39 AM
Thanks Randy and meef - like I said, many more folks have been positive than negative.

Randy, I like your holster, what kind is it. I only see one belt slip, is the other out of view?

Hack

General Geoff
December 4, 2008, 04:47 AM
If an external manual safety switch floats your boat, hey it's your gun, have at it. :)

76shuvlinoff
December 4, 2008, 06:00 AM
If an external manual safety switch floats your boat, hey it's your gun, have at it.

Exactly, there are a million modifications and upgrades available that we pay big money for. Adding a thumb safety to a GLOCK should not tip anybody over. If this is what makes you comfortable with your carry piece then good on you btefft.

.02

btefft
December 4, 2008, 10:09 AM
Thanks General and 76, you made my day with your sentiments.

Hack

btefft
December 4, 2008, 10:56 AM
Here's two pics of my G27 with thumb safety.

On Safe
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u32/bltefft/G27-f.jpg

On Fire
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u32/bltefft/G27-s.jpg

Hack

Mainsail
December 4, 2008, 11:27 AM
Isn't there a little plastic block that goes behind the trigger of the glock to prevent it from being pulled? Seems like it would be a more effective and cheaper way to get your Glock warm fuzzy on.

IMTHDUKE
December 4, 2008, 11:59 AM
Looks like a winner....didn't know that was available. That is one of the reasons I don't own a Glock....no external safety.

Yes...and get the flame suite ready for the Glock purist that will charge you with a hate crime and desecrating the icon.

GZOh_Jr
December 4, 2008, 01:52 PM
RandyC74:

1) What did that Siderlock go for?
2) How difficult was it to install?
3) How do you like it?

I like the "temporary" nature of the Siderlock as opposed to permanently modifying the pistol to fit a frame safety.

In my experience, "safeties" are typically needed most by the people least likely to want them.

ByAnyMeans
December 4, 2008, 07:10 PM
Personally I like the Glock for the fact it's a point and shoot weapon but I also never learned on a 1911 so I have no expierience with that. I am considering an upgrade to a NY spring to increase the pull weigh to 8lbs. but I have'nt made up my mind.

It's your gun so who cares who flames you for whatever you do to your property.

Randyc74
December 4, 2008, 08:55 PM
Hack
The holster is my Bulldog Avenger. I build these. It's my version of the Avenger holster made famous by holster maker Bruce Nelson. It's a tunnel/loop design. the tunnel is at the back of the holster.

"1) What did that Siderlock go for?
2) How difficult was it to install?
3) How do you like it?

I like the "temporary" nature of the Siderlock as opposed to permanently modifying the pistol to fit a frame safety.

In my experience, "safeties" are typically needed most by the people least likely to want them. "

GZOh_Jr
I purchased the Siderlock from Lone Wolf Distributors for around $50-$60
Installation is easy. The kit comes with a small pin punch for knocking out the trigger pin. If you can detail strip your Glock, you can install the Siderlock.
It does take some getting used to if your not used to an external safety on your Glock. As an LEO, I carry my Glock 23 daily in the holster shown in the photo. Because of the Siderlock, I'm more comfortable carrying the Glock on duty
in that type of holster.

Randy

Meadows117
December 4, 2008, 09:21 PM
I would probably be ok with a GLOCK, but I like a heavier longer trigger pull if I'm going without a safety.... Like a CZ

wyocarp
December 4, 2008, 10:14 PM
As to the smartass comments about the trigger, shine 'em on and just consider the source.

Yeah, like me? Don't pull the trigger has always worked for me.

meef
December 5, 2008, 12:49 AM
Yeah, like me? Don't pull the trigger has always worked for me.:rolleyes:

Okay, have it your way - yeah, like you.

:cool:

dhoomonyou
December 5, 2008, 10:57 AM
Hows about making sure holster is clear of shirt when re holstering.

Tirod
December 5, 2008, 11:39 AM
Things get caught in triggers. Have you removed all the strings, zipper loops, and such from every jacket or vest you own?

Can you guarantee you won't try to holster with your finger on the trigger? Even experienced top flight competitors have shot themselves doing that, much less police officers.

Is an additional safety nice to have when your struggling in a gun grab? Lots of officers have NOT been shot with their own weapons because of it.

Does GLOCK offer a thumb safety on their latest pistol? Yes, they do.

It's not about "keep your finger off" for every situation. It's about "DON'T GET SHOT WITH YOUR OWN GUN."

I thank the OP for posting another available source of overall gun safety.

dhoomonyou
December 5, 2008, 11:41 AM
Tirod

Does GLOCK offer a thumb safety on their latest pistol? Yes, they do.

Do you have a LINK?

thanks

jocko
December 5, 2008, 12:08 PM
I have Glocks catalog and they show nothing about any safety system like a thumb safety. I really think that is an after market thing.

I think the best safety around for the glocks is the sider lock trigger safety. Top quality, drops in, reversible for left or rightie and all metal construction but yet still retains the glock SAS. And tome where a safety should really be to.

have one on my sons glocl 19 and we love it,. no grip modifications needed.

siderlock.com

Girodin
December 5, 2008, 01:24 PM
I don't have a problem with the modification if you like it and it makes you feel better. I wouldn't do it, and I see it as totally unnecessary. I am in the camp that believes that proper gun handling and a quality holster are what is essential. I don't have a major problem with a thumb safety. Some will argue it adds an unnecessary step to using it. While this is technically true I would argue it is not a big deal at all given one is familiar with their weapon and practices. I prefer a 1911 to any of my DOA handguns and I manage to get the safety off just fine, why not in a glock? The only problem I see with a safety is if the user is relying on it to prevent a ND. Because one adds a safety doesn't mean they are relying on it but perhaps merely see it as an extra precaution.

In short, a glock doesn't need a safety. If it makes you feel better go for it, just don't rely on it and remember that gun handling and a good holster is more important. I would also advise against telling others that a Glock is unsafe without a safety, that is what seems to draw fire from glock fans (and anyone who uses a DAO) and for good reason.

wyocarp
December 5, 2008, 08:43 PM
Things get caught in triggers. Have you removed all the strings, zipper loops, and such from every jacket or vest you own?

Can you guarantee you won't try to holster with your finger on the trigger? Even experienced top flight competitors have shot themselves doing that, much less police officers.


Nothing should get caught in the trigger! Ever! You should have a holster that covers the entire trigger area.

Can I guarantee I don't holster the gun with a finger on the trigger? YES, I can. There is never a reason to holster your gun quickly! Train. The trigger finger isn't on the trigger unless you are shooting. Period.

Loomis
December 5, 2008, 08:55 PM
Booger pickers off the bang button!

zignal_zero
December 6, 2008, 03:09 AM
" I experimented, and with the gun empty, I let it hang from my finger, kinda bounced it, and the trigger pulled, so I know a piece of shirt could make it do it, too.. " ~ Original Poster

good job on actually trying to replicate scenarios, i do the same and commend that type of thinking. however, i think the finger bounce and shirt tail are not fair comparisons.

i used to catch alot of crap when people found out i go holsterless with one in the chamber and have a 3.5 connector. several times, i have cleared my weapon, stuck it in my waistband and tried to dry fire it w/o going finger to trigger. i cannot.

i've also attempted to make my shirt/jacket tail fit through the trigger gaurd, then reholster (when using a holster). i cannot.

whoever mentioned all the shirt tail, etc, ND's. i just do not believe it. we had an ND in our Dept. and he was honest about his lack of trigger control. it happens and is almost always the cause of ND's.

ironically - I LIKE THUMB SAFETIES and think a Glock is a perfect cantidate for one. i wanted the Cominolli, but it's just a jagged little piece of metal that looks WAY out place and would hurt my stomach. if there was a safety like the EAA Witness has, i would install it in a second.

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