[reddheadnla1974]

I am going hunting on saturday and I am trying to figure out what to use for ammo for my revolver. Should I use a round ball or a conical? What size should I use?I have tried a .454 round ball in it but it only shaves a ring when it goes into the cylinder. When I shot my 1851 .44 it would shave it at the top. Do I need a bigger size or is that good? Thanks:confused:

[dwave]

Well, what are you hunting? Deer or something smaller?

Round ball, I shoot a .457 in my remmy. Usually a .454 is fine, but I liked the .457 because I got a better lead ring with them. The .454s shaved a very dinky ring on my gun.

[reddheadnla1974]

We are going for deer. If I see a hog he is goin into the freezer!!:) The .454 is a little dinky also. That is what I was wondering about. Thanks

[Voodoochile]

I also use cast .457's in my C&B revolvers with very good results.

Conicals would hold their energy longer than a ball will but a conical will also have a different trajectory too so if you've been just shooting ball out of your '58 & can consistently hit your target good then I would stick with the ball till you've had more time with a conical.

[ATAShooter]

My .454's shave too. Lets me know I got a good fit.

[Mike 56]

In my revolvers the larger balls shoot better. If .457 balls load with out to strain on the loading arm use them. When i am casting and i don't have a lot of pure lead i mix it 50/50 with wheel weights and use a .451 mould so they will load easy.

Mike

[Macmac]

Red, Do you understand the term dwave said?

" I liked the .457 because I got a better lead ring with them."

[Quickdraw McGraw]

Round ball, I shoot a .457 in my remmy. Usually a .454 is fine, but I liked the .457 because I got a better lead ring with them. The .454s shaved a very dinky ring on my gun.

The same for my 58 Remmy!

[reddheadnla1974]

So if I am understanding correct It would probobly be better to go to a .457. Thank you very much.

[dwave]

It really depends on your gun. Does a .454 shave a good ring of lead or does it just barely shave one? That ring of lead is very important. A good ring means a better seal on that chamber. If you go too big of a round ball, it will cause hard loading and strain on the loading lever.

[reddheadnla1974]

I would have to say that it shaves a mediocre ring., but it is so far in the chamber that I can't get it out.

[dwave]

If you think it is mediocre give some .457s a try.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Remington 1858 New Model Army .44
call's for either a .451 or a .454...
I own several '58's and have never fired anything but .451's. I have never even owned a .454 ball. My .451's shave a nice ring of lead without putting undue stress on the loading lever. My .457's are reserved for my Walker. This is good advice. It's up to you if you take it or not....

[dwave]

Is it good advice because you say so? :) (Thats a joke so don't missunderstand please!)

Look, not all revolvers are equal. A .451 would not shave a ring on my 58. .454 would just shave a ring. By far .457 was the best and it didn't strain my loading lever in the least.

[madcratebuilder]

Look, not all revolvers are equal. A .451 would not shave a ring on my 58. .454 would just shave a ring. By far .457 was the best and it didn't strain my loading lever in the least.

My 08 Pietta 1858 measures at .445 and my 79 ArmiI San Palol 1851 measures at .4470-.4475, my Walker is .4515. All 44cal but all different size, fit the ball to the particular revolver would be my recommendation.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I can live with that. All of my 58's are Pietta. They have all been worked on. They were set up for .451's. They also fired .451's very well right out of the box. My Cattleman Carbines are the same. My Walkers shoot the .457's just fine. I suppose dfferent makers have dfferent measurements they use. I'vd never used any of the others. My Walkers and my .31's are made by Uberti.
I was going to suggest that maybe your cylinders were getting wallowed out a bit but I'll pass. (The carbines are made by Uberti also, but they handle the .451's just fine.) You do need to shave a ring of lead though for sure.
Well, see ya'll later. Have a gppd one. I'll ot to help this Gros Ventres skin out a buffalo. Later guys, Stan....

[dwave]

Mine wasn't wallowed out. Like that from the factory.

[reddheadnla1974]

I have tried both the .457 and .454 and so far have not seen much difference yet so I guess I will just have to shoot it alot more so I can study it better. :):):):)

[reddheadnla1974]

I have one more guestion. I want to get another cylinder for it. It is a navy arms. where can I find one? Thanks

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

I will have to say, when I shot 44's I always used .451 also. This was in several brands. You won't want to hear this, but the ball should just be a
press fit. You DON'T want to shave a ring of lead. You just want to sweg it
in the chamber. This is for accuracy. If you just want to make noise, then it
doesn't matter what size you use.

[arcticap]

!858

I have one more guestion. I want to get another cylinder for it. It is a navy arms. where can I find one? Thanks

It depends which manufacturer made your gun.
The Uberti and Euroarms 1858 cylinders are reported to be interchangable.
The Pietta's are slightly longer but with work can still be adapted to fit,
but why create unnecessary gunsmithing work?
Not sure about ASM.

One poster reported about their Uberti cylinder:

The original percussion cylinder measures 1.998" in length

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=298284&highlight=replacement+cylinder+length

Can you describe the revolver's proofmarks or measure the cylinder?

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

The front of my .36. You can see where it is champfered and it does not
cut a ring of lead. Dia. is .357 Ball dia is .360.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/26cyclinder.jpg

[dwave]

If your cylinders are not chamfered then you do need to have a lead ring or you won't have a good seal.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Well, like I said, I use .451's in my 58's and in the carbines and I get a good seal. I get a lead ring with them to but I don't mean like I shave off 4 pounds of lead or something like that.
I personally think you have a bad piece. Even Mr. Remington himself recommended .451 or .454 for his 58 and for the carbine.I myself would call the piece you have a case of poor workmanship, but that's just me. The carbine and the regular 58 are supposed to carry the same load. That's why he built them that way. I have 3 new carbines (I bought them new) and 6 58's and they all shot .451 beautifully right out of the box. The carbines are all made by Uberti and the 58's are all made by Pietta. That's all I know....Later gentlemen..Stan....

[dwave]

Are you talking to him or me? Cause I will tell you I have a FAR from defective peace. My 58 is the most accurate BP revolver I have, HANDS DOWN. As I said, different guns different specs. I have a target model, so I am sure that might have a bit to do with it. I seen in another thread that he had a target model too, so I am sure that it has something to do with it. Remember, just because it uses a different sized RB than you guns doesn't mean anything.

[reddheadnla1974]

I believe that the problem is just me. I did'nt think about the top being chamfered. So I am more than likeky way over doing it, so I am going to try some .451's and see what is going on. I got used to the 1851, shaving the ring and thought that the 1858 was suposed to do the same. That is the purpose to my madness.

[dwave]

Not all guns have the chamfer. So you should check to make sure. Mine doesn't have it. If you have a Pietta I am sure that you won't either. Like I said before though, .454s worked in my gun, but I wasn't happy with the amount of lead that was shaved off.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

I was talking to whoever has the problem, I don't care who it is. All of my 58's have match competition barrels, the internals polished and hardended and the trigger pull set and it cost me a lot of damn money to get them done that way to. What I said was the truth. If you don't want to hear the truth and the facts then quit jumping on here asking all these dumb assed questions....My carbines have also been done the same way....Have a real good day you hear?....

[reddheadnla1974]

I want to thank you guys for all the help. I just asked a question, did not mean to stir up a hornets nest. There is not that many of us I think we need to stick together. Black powder to me is a very important thing. I love traditional hunting very much and am very proud to be able to be part of it!! Besides being super fun I find the history of it awesome.Every one has an opinion, that is why I asked my question was to learn from everyone. You might not realize it but all of ya'll have helped me out here and I want to let you know that I appriciate it very much. Thanks Craig:D

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Redhead glad you got a little help. You didn't stir anything up, not on my end anyway. I just know what I know and I know what Mr. Remington said and how he designed his 58 and his carbine and I know the ungodly amount of money I'vd poured into mine, but it was worth every penny. (I guess) I just made my last payment on all of them 2 months ago. But now I have 9 perfect barrels and a star on each barrel designating it as such. In the gunsmith's back yard in a wind tunnel closed in, with the Triple Seven weighed and not measured, and each .451 ball carefully weighed, and with each 58 and each carbine locked onto the bench one at a time, I watched each one rag holes at 110 yards. (110 yards was the full length of his tunnel) That is plenty good enough.
Have a good one Redhead....Stan....

[reddheadnla1974]

Do you know what is sad. The whole time that I have had this revolver I thought that it was a navy arms. I was cleaning it a few minutes ago and found out that it wass a Uberti. How cool is that? You learn something new every day.

[dwave]

What I said was the truth. If you don't want to hear the truth and the facts then quit jumping on here asking all these dumb assed questions....My carbines have also been done the same way....Have a real good day you hear?....

Take it easy there buddy! No need to get a little upset at a screen name. :D

Pistols sound nice, hows about a pic?

[reddheadnla1974]

I bought it used but it is in great shape, need to get a new cylinder though. It looks like it has had a few rounds through it. It would be nice to have an extra one also.I will work on some pics. Thanks

[jon_in_wv]

I shoot .451 and .454 in my Uberti 58 and though there is little to no ring I get a fine seal and it shoots very, very accurately.

[reddheadnla1974]

I looked it up on the uberti sight and it says .454 so that it what I am going to go with. Thanks for all the help.

[GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL]

Yeah, I like Uberti. I really love my Walkers. Everyone on here know's that.
I didn't get upset and I certainly didn't mean to upset anyone else.
I was coming from a completely different angle. If he has a piece and he know's what ammo it uses and he like's it then go for it. God bless him. I was stating about how and why Mr. Remington designed his 58 and the carbine.
Like, let's say you go into a store and buy a Winchester .44-40. Now, you have a little extra money so while you're in there you also buy a Colt .44-40 belt gun. (revolver). You also buy yourself a box of .44-40 cartridges. The ammo is supposed to be interchangable. Sound's like a good idea, right? Mr. Colt and Mr. Winchester thought so, and so did Mr. Remington. So do I. Now, you wag it all out here to the high plains or mountains and let's say all of a sudden you run into a mess of wild assed Indians. Or maybe you're moseying along and all of a sudden over the crest of the hill right there, here come's a thundering herd of rabid skunks, their little legs just a churning and their beady little eyes fixed on you. You quickly dig out the box of .44-40's to load the rifle, and My God!! You find out that the .44-40 rifle is actually chambered for .47-49. You then quickly try to load the .44-40 revolver and find out that they actually chambered it for .46.3-37 or some such thing. Your ass would be in quite a pickle wouldn't it?!
I don't brag on them much but I am real proud of my 58's and the matching carbines.Cost a lot of money. Took almost 6 years to get them paid off.One of the 58's is loaded all the way around and is holstered right here beside of me. One of my carbines is loaded all the way around and is resting about 2 feet from my right hand. I can't help it. Every time I might happen to glance at one of them I can't help but think that there wasn't a U.S. Marshall, deputy marshall, sheriff; deputy sheriff, town marshall, constantable, soldier, scout, indian fighter, outlaw, gunfighter, gold miner or anyone else like that back then that wouldn't have felt better and would have been mighty proud to have had one of my reworked 58's on his hip, or maybe been carrying one of my reworked carbines in his hand. One thing for sure, in addition to everything else they may have had to go through, if they knew how to shoot they sure as hell wouldn't have had to worry about going hungry. Well, I have to go. I'll try to get back on tomorrow but don't know if I'll have time. Later....Glad you'vd got a good Uberti, Redhead....