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ghostsix
December 4, 2008, 06:10 AM
My computer geek bought a Glock 22 in .40 S&W in response to the election.
First gun.
As the weapons expert here, he wants training.
I do not know Glocks. I wear 1911`s and revolvers on duty.
I know the M9.
Is the manual good enough to train him safely?
Or are there any surprises?

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mgkdrgn
December 4, 2008, 08:33 AM
Safety with a Glock

1) it's =always= loaded
2) don't put your finger inside the trigger guard until you want to shoot something
3) it's =always= loaded
4) if you drop it, let it fall, don't try to catch it
5) it's =always= loaded
6) always carry in a holster that protects the trigger ... no bare "mexican" carry allowed

Safety wise, the Glock is more like a revolver than anything else. If there is one in the pipe, it's ready to go. There are plenty of "safety" features to keep it from firing if you don't pull the trigger, but if you -do- pull the trigger, it -is- going to go BANG!

burningsquirrels
December 4, 2008, 08:40 AM
a computer geek? just tell him to play more counter-strike. that should be plenty. :D

ghostsix
December 4, 2008, 09:49 AM
Even geeks have an inherent right of defense.
Other than the 4 rules, I was hoping that someone knew about Glockenspiel in particular.
As this does not seem to be the case, I shall have to go elsewhere.
I regret wasting my time.
I do not wear Tupperware guns.
I am inquiring for my computer guy who bought a 22 without checking with me.
Bad choice for a number of reasons.
A DA revolver would have been a better choice for him as a first side arm.
Be that as it may, I am now obliged to teach him how to run it.
Worse, he bought lots of 180 gr, FMJ full power loads for it. Of course, he is going to want to shoot it.
I have .22`s,38`s and 9 MM that he can work up to the short and lite.

This is not even a blip on my radar screen. I shoot real 10 MM`s, .44 Mag. and .45 Super.
For light work, I have a .375 H&H, a .458 and a .505 Gib's.

gtmtnbiker98
December 4, 2008, 10:49 AM
I'm a computer Geek and probably have more trigger time than many on this board, so let's not stereotype, shall we?

BlindJustice
December 4, 2008, 12:10 PM
I had a 25 year career as a Systems ANalyst/Programmer in
Adminstrative systems at Wash. State Univ. I don't consider myself
a Geek, just happened to work with COmputers and information solutions
but some of my co-workers were classic geeks.

Anyway, I don't have a Glock,but have shot my range buddy's G19.
* The slide release is close to the frmae, and I have read the
usual practice is to use the LH over the top to release the
slide rather than using the hard to miniuplate slide release/lock.

ALso FYI - it's a Striker Fired mechanism classified as Double
Action Only (DAO), after chambering a round the mechanism is 2/3rds
cocked but blocked from striking the firing pin, until the trigger is
pulled part of the way - Striker fired, means once the trigger is
pulled and the striker hits the primer, further pulls on the
trigger due to a misfire/dud primer are not doing anything because
the slide has to be cycled to re-cock the Striker firing
system.

Is what I know about Glocks besides not liking the grip
angle for ME.

FYI - Fellow 1911 & CZ 75B shooter, besides some S&W
Revolvers

Randall

CountGlockula
December 4, 2008, 01:18 PM
Great choice!

Have him join the local gun club or be a member at a shooting range. I'm sure both organizations will have folks to help him out.

As for the Glock model 22, my first semi-auto was a Glock 35. But I did try it before I bought...in his case tell him to have a firm grip on the gun with a strong wrist, slow pull/press of the trigger, practice the trigger reset, don't over lubricate the Glock and have fun!

In the future, I recommend him take an NRA Basic Firearms course then take self defense courses. That geek will be come a stud in no time.

marano35
December 4, 2008, 04:23 PM
[QUOTE][Even geeks have an inherent right of defense.
Other than the 4 rules, I was hoping that someone knew about Glockenspiel in particular.
As this does not seem to be the case, I shall have to go elsewhere.
I regret wasting my time.
I do not wear Tupperware guns.
I am inquiring for my computer guy who bought a 22 without checking with me.
Bad choice for a number of reasons.
A DA revolver would have been a better choice for him as a first side arm.
Be that as it may, I am now obliged to teach him how to run it.
Worse, he bought lots of 180 gr, FMJ full power loads for it. Of course, he is going to want to shoot it.
I have .22`s,38`s and 9 MM that he can work up to the short and lite.

This is not even a blip on my radar screen. I shoot real 10 MM`s, .44 Mag. and .45 Super.
For light work, I have a .375 H&H, a .458 and a .505 Gib's.
/QUOTE]


Sounds to me like he could do a lot better for advice than you anyway. You don't sound too knowledgeable about weapons either.

SsevenN
December 4, 2008, 05:12 PM
He seems to know enough, but only about wheel guns and 1911's.:neener:

Coyote3855
December 4, 2008, 05:20 PM
and has plenty of attitude...

spiroxlii
December 4, 2008, 05:54 PM
I'm a "computer geek" with a large collection of firearms in various calibers. We're not all stupid and recoil sensitive! :) I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the best shot in the world. I certainly wouldn't be competitive in IPDA or IPSC shooting. I am aware of the safety rules and the manual of arms for all my guns, though... and I practice often with the ones I carry.

Perhaps your computer geek friend could have picked a better first gun, but he has what he has, and it will serve him well if he practices with it often enough to be familiar and proficient with the platform. A first time shooter with ANY gun can get discouraged fast if his instructor isn't supportive and patient.

Glock specific stuff:

Glocks are famous for their safeties (or lack thereof). The Glock has no manual safety like your 1911. It only has a small lever on the trigger, which is automatically disengaged if you put your finger on the trigger. Guns like the 1911 have a grip safety that is automatically disengaged if you are holding the gun properly. Guns like the Springfield XD have both a grip safety (like the 1911) and a trigger safety (like the Glock).

The point is... you should have good trigger discipline with ANY firearm, but it's especially important with a Glock, since a Glock's only safety is automatically disengaged just by putting your finger on the trigger. If you don't watch what you're doing when you holster and draw the weapon, you will end up with "Glock leg," which is another term for a brand new hole in your body. Unlike many DA/SA pistols which can be carried decocked with the safety off, the Glock does not have a long or hard double-action trigger pull to prevent accidental discharges. Unlike a SA pistol like the 1911, the Glock does not have a manual safety lever to prevent accidental discharges.

ghostsix
December 4, 2008, 06:53 PM
Geek is a term he uses in his computer work. I am just a ret. Infantryman.
In the Win 95 days I crashed it a lot. Thus we spent a lot of time on PC`s.
And as I stated; I know little above what I have read on Glocks. That is why I asked for help. As a small arms expert, I can interpret this. But only if you give me good intell. What about the reported Kabooms due to an unsupported chamber in the .40 S&W?.
We are both Norskies. It takes awhile for terms to change to non PC for us.
You will offend someone if you speak at all.
Sproxlii; noted and logged.
I also shoot SAA`s. A round in your leg is no fun. A VC put one in mine.
The SAA has such a slow lock time that if you really feel right you can squeeze the trigger early and use the hammer fall to bring the weapon to bear and hit the target.
That is how these really fast times happen. A few blown holsters also happen.

spiroxlii
December 4, 2008, 07:11 PM
Here's an older thread that addresses the issue:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=86558

I skimmed it briefly. Mostly it says to keep to standard pressure factory loaded rounds (no +P or +P+). Overpressure ammo or reloaded ammo (weakened brass) can contribute to the likelihood of a kaBoom!

spiroxlii
December 4, 2008, 07:14 PM
double post

ghostsix
December 4, 2008, 07:47 PM
Unless you have a ramped bbl., which I do on some 1911`s. the brass supports 6 o`clock. I use rifle brass with the .45 Super. The .38 Super is fully supported.
This is well worth noting from;
It's not a model issue.

It's related to several things.

1. Glocks don't tolerate lead bullets well due to the rifling method used. Using lead bullets can cause a dangerous increase chamber pressures during firing.

2. .40 S&W ammunition is very sensitive to bullet setback with the 180 grain loading being the most sensitive. Even relatively small amounts of bullet setback in this loading can cause chamber pressures during firing to rise to unsafe levels.

3. Glock chambers are cut on the generous side which allows the brass to expand more than usual upon firing. This weakens the brass more than normal which means that using reloaded brass, or especially reloading .40 brass from rounds shot in a Glock can compound the #2 problem while also increasing the chances that the case will fail.

If you stick to high quality factory ammo with bullet weights under 180 grains and stay away from aluminum case ammo, you should have no problem. Federal ammo seems to be over-represented in the failures associated with factory ammo--might want to stay away from them although I usually recommend their ammo in most cases.

For what it's worth, this phenomenon is not limited to Glocks. There have been kB!s in most brands--and in other calibers than .40. The .40 Glock does seem to get more than its share, but it's likely that some of this is due to the large number of these guns in service.

Stay Safe

burningsquirrels
December 4, 2008, 08:08 PM
First, let me just tell you that in my opinion- in all the stuff I've ever learned, and in all my experiences- GLOCK pistols are completely safe to carry concealed- WITH a round in the chamber.

First I'd like to dispel the myth that GLOCK's don't have safeties. They actually have three- A drop safety (the pistol can physically NEVER go off simply by being dropped), a firing pin safety (physically blocks the firing pin from entering the firing pin chamber), and finally, the trigger safety.

The trigger cannot be pulled unless you first press the trigger safety.

Now I know what you're saying: "It's true that GLOCK's have these three safeties, but in order to disengage them, all you have to do is pull the trigger!"

That is true- the GLOCK pistol has no conventional safety.

BUT- is it really that important?

If you think about it- hundreds of thousands of cops carry GLOCK pistols... hundreds of thousands of citizens carry GLOCK pistols- and I have never heard of someone having their GLOCK pistol fire when they didn't specifically pull the trigger.

The bottom line is this: If you want a GLOCK to go off- all you have to do is press the trigger. If you don't want a GLOCK pistol to go off- all you have to do is don't press the trigger.



that's about it. /thread.

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