If the Ruger LCP is a copy of the Keltec P3AT...


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Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 10:44 AM
Then why has there been no safety recall on the Keltec?

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presspuller
December 4, 2008, 11:15 AM
Maybe KT doesn't care.

skeptiq
December 4, 2008, 11:21 AM
Easy, Ruger can't even copy another companies gun correctly!

// flame on //

BTW, I am only kidding... I don't own either (nor will I). Just fueling the fire :evil:

Shear_stress
December 4, 2008, 11:25 AM
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Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 11:45 AM
I just want to clarify why is the Ruger having a recall and Keltec is not? Is something mechanically different?

da3394
December 4, 2008, 11:53 AM
Where have you guys been? KT had a first generation that had problems, now they have a 2nd generation that is pretty much flawless. Ruger just copied the wrong model.

Shear_stress
December 4, 2008, 12:01 PM
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Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Shear_stress
December 4, 2008, 01:12 PM
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Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 01:28 PM
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Shear_stress
December 4, 2008, 01:31 PM
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Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 01:33 PM
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amazon shooter
December 4, 2008, 02:55 PM
Dear Lone Gunman,

I will buy a compact 380 ACP for personal defense and the two guns in mention are high on my list.

"I own both of these guns". In your opinion, which one would you stake you life on?

Prince Yamato
December 4, 2008, 02:58 PM
All the OP is asking is that: since the guns are so similar and since one was recalled for safety issues, would it not follow that the other should have been recalled as well?

I own a P32 and would be curious to know as well.

MT GUNNY
December 4, 2008, 03:04 PM
OP ? Seems straight forward to me.
Now I'm interested, Whats the Difference???????????

mljdeckard
December 4, 2008, 03:07 PM
I'm smelling a pattern of corner cutting. The SR-9 and the LCP recalled in the same year. I WANT to get behind Ruger, but their centerfire autos have either bugged me or had widespread problems.

Lone_Gunman
December 4, 2008, 03:09 PM
"I own both of these guns". In your opinion, which one would you stake you life on?

My answer at this point is.... I don't know. Thats why I was trying to find out if the Kel Tec has the same problem as the LCP.

I have a Keltec that I have carried ever since they first came out, and it has been 100% reliable and never had a problem with it. I bought the Ruger because it looked better and felt better.

Then I heard about the Ruger recall. After I get my Ruger back from the factory I will probably carry it. In the meanwhile, I am carrying the Kel Tec, but wonder if it is subject to the same problem.

jocko
December 4, 2008, 05:15 PM
Kt recently made a hammer block change to all of their kts. They say it is to prevent short stroking which is not a "safety" issue. You read in to this safety change what ever you want, but up until that change that very part was identical to the lcp part that is now being upgraded. My bet is that it will look like the new kt upgrade.

Form ur own opinion:confused::confused:

rcmodel
December 4, 2008, 05:35 PM
Scroll down toward the bottom of this for P-32 & P3AT drop tests.

Unless you drop it out of a second story window onto concrete, there shouldn't be a problem!

BTW: These are 1st. gen guns being tested.

http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/droptestresults.htm

rcmodel

spiroxlii
December 4, 2008, 06:59 PM
The first Ruger LCPs that were sent out to the gun mags had a problem with "enthusiastic ejection" that was slamming empty cases back into a sharp corner on the receiver, causing ejected brass to fly far away from the gun in an erratic pattern. Recovered brass from the early LCPs was usually too damaged to reload.

Current production LCPs are supposed to have fixed that issue, but I don't know if that's the issue (or one of the issues) that Ruger addressed in their recall, since I don't know if any of the "enthusiastic ejectors" were sold to the general public or if those pistols were only distributed as pre-release models to the gun mags.

CoRoMo
December 4, 2008, 07:21 PM
The KTs have the same problem. And of coarse, Kel-Tec redesigned the hammer block to eliminate the problems with short-stroking. I wonder if the LCP has that problem.
I've got a P11 and it definitely has the drop safety problem. Although I love KT and plan to get another P11 without hesitation, KT doesn't seem, to me, to have the urgency to fix the problem. I asked KT about the drop safety of the P11 and got no response. They definitely don't have the means of a huge recall as Ruger does in regards to money and manpower that they can throw into a recall. As I said, I'm a fan of KT and plan to give them more of my money. I'm not planning on dropping my CCW on it's muzzle either. As long as there are more people like me out there, they really don't have much to be worried about.

welldoya
December 4, 2008, 07:23 PM
The early guns had the "cases hitting the receiver problem" but they fixed that after just a couple of months by milling out the corner.
Ruger would fix that problem for you even before the recall.
I saw a list of 3 or 4 items what they would fix if you sent it in for the recall but can't remember what all the problems were. You can probably find it over on the Ruger Forum.

CoRoMo
December 4, 2008, 07:24 PM
I guess I'd add that if/when Ruger copies the P11, I'll buy one immediately after they transition the production line into the post-recall generation. Seems like every one of their guns has a recall at one time or another. And here I own more Rugers than Kel Tec.

CoRoMo
December 4, 2008, 07:25 PM
Hey Lone Gunman:

How do you carry?

Balrog
December 4, 2008, 07:29 PM
I carry mine in a front pocket holster.

CoRoMo
December 4, 2008, 07:31 PM
oops.

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