Ammo shortage?


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heron
December 5, 2008, 01:39 AM
I just ordered some .223, (Wolf or BarnOwl (Barnaul), can't recall which) and it's back-ordered until February. Is this happening a lot?

I also ordered some .357 for the revolver, and it was in stock, so maybe this is just rifle ammo.

I'm not worried, since I've got some on hand, but is anybody else seeing the same thing?

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swwyo
December 5, 2008, 01:44 AM
Just walk into any gun store where I live, and it looks like an Etheopean grocery store.

kingpin008
December 5, 2008, 02:57 AM
Well, there was just an election. And we all know the stance on the pres. elect when it comes to things like guns & ammo. So yeah, there's probably a shortage right now, brought on by everyone running out and grabbing all the stuff they should have been stocking up on before Nov. 4th came around.

Frog48
December 5, 2008, 03:00 AM
I dont know if the shortage was caused by the election, but it certainly didnt help matters.

GregGry
December 5, 2008, 03:10 AM
Thats odd, I went into gander mountain yesterday and bought 1 20 round box of federal/lake city ammo, and I could have bought 30 boxes if I wanted. There was plenty of wolf too, atleast 40 boxes. They had numerous ar-15 rifles and other weapons aplenty.

gazpacho
December 5, 2008, 04:16 AM
The nation is having record AR-15 sales. It's not beyond imagination that ammo sales for that rifle would also be high.

biggiesmalls
December 5, 2008, 05:44 AM
i don't see a real shortage. i just see a huge price increase. my local walmart, academy, and cabela's ang gunstores all have rifle ammunition. the pricetag on them, however, is what bothers me... i just got my .223 order from palmetto state armory after a 2 week wait and my 7.62x39 from AIM and ammoman.com in that time too. pretty good if you ask me. where are you ordering from?

heron
December 5, 2008, 12:02 PM
I ordered it from The Sportsman's Guide . . . I looked at Cheaper Than Dirt, but as I recall, they didn't have what I wanted. Guide price isn't too bad, with member discount and additional coupon -- 500 rds Barnaul 62 gr. HP, $140 & change, about $.28/shot.

BTW, I've been shooting the Barnaul (in my Saiga), and have no complaints with it. Wolf is a few cents less, but they didn't have any with the bullet I wanted. I really don't know why Wolf is cheaper; it seems like the same stuff. The only complaint I have with the lacquered steel cases is that they're slippery and harder to load into the magazine.

I'm holding on to my small stock of Lake City XM-193, just in case . . .

Thin Black Line
December 5, 2008, 12:03 PM
Is this happening a lot?

Everywhere where everyone, their brother, their cousin, and their cousin's
2nd step-dad all of a sudden thought they needed an AR-15.

The ammo situation will come back to normal when you see the following:

1. A lot of "barely used" and "test-fired only" AR-15s begin appearing on
shelves next year after:
A) People can't pay off the credit card balance that was used to purchase it.
B) A bunch of mortgages reset next year.
C) Extended unemployment benefits run out.

2. The next conex of imported ammo leaves the docks contingent upon:
A) no import ammo bans.
B) or, big wars elsewhere where Russians and others focus production for it.

3. Domestic ammo is priced out of range of most shooters and it is physically
on the shelf due to a combination of factors listed under 1 and 2.

j_charles
December 5, 2008, 12:45 PM
My local Sportsman's Wharehouse is completely, and I do mean completely, cleaned out of 9mm. I've been in twice in the last couple weeks, and they have nothing! The .45 is almost gone. .44, .38., .357, anything for rifle, most shotgun, all very sparse. Walmart is better, but 9mm is down (last time I was there) to a few 50 rnd. boxes of WWB and Remington. The Value Packs of Remington were gone. That's my experience here, anyway.

heron
December 5, 2008, 03:07 PM
Okay, an update . . . I just got my .357 delivered, and the invoice in the package now says:
.223 . . . APPROXIMATE SHIP DATE 01/06/09

so, it should get here about a month sooner than they first indicated.

hso
December 5, 2008, 05:09 PM
heron,

This is nothing new. Prices have been soaring. The election caused panic buying. What little "overpriced" ammo there was got gobbled up. Therefore, shortage.

karz10
December 5, 2008, 08:51 PM
http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.223

I used this site to find many outfits with in-stock .223 at various price points and types of loads...

While not every deal in every load is listed here, you can see some of the sites w/ good prices for certain items, and then look for other types of casings or loads (steel vs brass, 55 gr, 75 gr, HP, etc.)

I just bought 1k rounds of wolf, 1k rounds of brown bear, from two different vendors, and am looking at various brass cased options...

Karz

XD-40 Shooter
December 5, 2008, 08:56 PM
No ammo shortage here, I've got a couple thousand 40 S&W reloads and about 1000 357 mag reloads.:neener::D I'm pretty well loaded on powder and primers too.:D By the way, my 40 ammo is costing me 12 cents/shot.:D

Furncliff
December 5, 2008, 09:03 PM
Just walked into Walmart where I live, and it looks like an Ethiopian grocery store.

Sports Authority and our terrific local sports store had full shelves.

Keb
December 5, 2008, 11:04 PM
22 LR is scarce or Un-avil in Western Colorado.

ohioshooter
December 5, 2008, 11:35 PM
Good luck finding a gun and .223 ammo in the Columbus Ohio area. AR-15's are as scarce as bread crumbs in Iraq.

louie19
December 6, 2008, 01:47 AM
+1 for gun-deals.com

No shortage here in the Northern Virginia area of ammo. AR-15s are hard to find and the ones at the local gun show recently were way over-priced. Colt M4s were going for almost $2000. But hey at least they were there.

I think the Internet ammo sites have good supplies of ammo too. They go out of stock sometimes of certain brands/types but they get restocked quickly it seems.

Just Jim
December 6, 2008, 09:53 AM
I wonder, the credit crisis has stopped shipment of alot of products because people can't borrow the money to buy them and ship them overseas. If credit dries up then ammo shipments may be part of the problem too.

It cost alot of money to import all the ammo we shoot up. If the big guys can't get a loan to buy it then it ain't comming any time soon.

jj

rmmoore
December 6, 2008, 10:14 AM
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the shortage of .223 and .308 ammo for the various "endangered species" of rifles. But has anyone had trouble finding ammo for their favorite hunting rifle? My pet factory load for 30.06 has disappeared from EVERY store in town. And .243? I bought the LAST 2 boxes that Wally-World had, 2 weeks ago and have checked avery other day to no avail. All the gun shops in town are out of .243 as well, although I did fine that Sports Authority had some left, and ON SALE at 20% off. It wasn't my "favorite" load, but it does go bang and is fine for a second choice. I bought all they had. What's the deal? The last time I checked, militaries and LE Departments WERE NOT using .243 as a sniper or combat round. As for the 30.06, I can see why the shortage is there, even though it doesn't have the "usage" demand just like the .243 doesn't. I DO see why folks would be running out and snapping up 30.06, I buy it too when I can find it:D If O'bama and the gun-grab crowd aren't after our "hunting" rifles as they so proudly proclaim, then why are "hunting" calibers disappearing liike the others? I KNOW there's a LOT of hunters and gun owners who voted for him, some of my "friends" did:fire:, although I use the word "friend" very loosely in this context. Anyone else having this problem with hunting calibers?

Just Jim
December 6, 2008, 10:32 AM
Fact remains that the people don't trust the new socialist government of BHO. Even worse you add the fear over the politicions crashing our economy in an effort to make us all equal and security becomes the most important thing in life.

By April of next year you may not recognize America. Ammo may be all you have to keep you alive.

jj

ScottsGT
December 6, 2008, 11:18 AM
Saw a box of 50 .30 Carbine at Wally World yesterday for $47.47 :eek::eek:
Had the dept. mgr. double check and he said it ws correct, he even entered it into the dist. data base and came up right. Now this was a box in the side cabinet where they put old inventory they cannot sell. Told him they need to keep it so others can get a good laugh too!:eek:

Ben Shepherd
December 6, 2008, 12:41 PM
Any current or ex-military caliber(223, 7.62X39, 308, etc.) is a bear to get a hold of right now, for reasons already listed.

Three weeks ago at a gun show, it was an hour-and-a-half wait just to buy ammo. All the 223 except 75 grain stuff was GONE in the first few hours. Folks were litterally taking it out by the handtruck load.

It'll be that way for at least another couple months I think. Most likely 'til spring. And if the new President makes a big push in that direction right off the bat(doubtful, he isn't stupid, he has re-election and the economy to worry about) all bets are off. If he manages to get re-elected in four years? Hang on to your saddle boys and girls.

ByAnyMeans
December 6, 2008, 02:43 PM
Poconos Pa

Walmart has plent of 9mm $19 a 100 rounds and 7.62x39 $29 a hundred rounds (Winchester) but I don't know about rifles availability.

I got 125 rounds of Wolf for $20 from a dealer 2 days ago but it was loose not boxed.

I get Winchester 7.62 now because I'm going to be setting up a reloading system in the next few months so I need the brass.

XD-40 Shooter
December 6, 2008, 04:56 PM
I buy Wolf 7.62x39 from sportsmansguide, $200/case. I'm very happy with the ammo, its pretty accurate and not too dirty. Fortunately, I've loaded up on 2500 rounds last year, because now, its all backordered to at least Feb '09.:eek:

goose2
December 6, 2008, 06:09 PM
What people do not know about Sportsman's Warehouse is the company was very close to closing down. That on top of this ammo buying frinzzy has caused there shelf's to be bare. It may look like they are selling a lot of things but some of the bare shelf's were from not having no money to stock them. Apparently they found some investors from Canada to help them out.

guntotinguy
December 6, 2008, 06:22 PM
Interesting...funnty thing is they just opened a store in Henderson,NV and one out near the NW side of Vegas...some still deals on ammo and such,grand opening specials and all that..but closing down soon?

They seems pretty stocked up within the last month...prices kinda high but still stocked.

Just Jim
December 6, 2008, 10:33 PM
I was just in Cabelas in Washington State and there was no shortage of ammo. There was some real high prices, but no shortage.

jj

karz10
December 7, 2008, 02:39 AM
ByAnyMeans

Walmart has plent of 9mm $19 a 100 rounds and 7.62x39 $29 a hundred rounds (Winchester) but I don't know about rifles availability.

I got 125 rounds of Wolf for $20 from a dealer 2 days ago but it was loose not boxed.

I get Winchester 7.62 now because I'm going to be setting up a reloading system in the next few months so I need the brass.

Yeah, I got some WWB 9mm at walmart a couple weeks ago for around $19 ish, too bad a couple months ago it was only $15.97 for the same box.

Karz

VegasOPM
December 7, 2008, 02:46 AM
I see some bare shelves- but no shortages. I know of some stores that only keep a few boxes sitting out, marked at premium prices. As soon as those go away, a few more boxes are pulled from the back. Everyone is saying that AR parts and components are unavailable too. I've bought 5000 bullets- .223 and 9mm, along with an AR upper, gas block and bolt carrier in the last month. The stuff is out there, but a lot of folks are trying to use the panic to make a little more of a profit.

More power to them! As long as the demand is high, it only makes sense to raise the prices. When demand subsides, I'll buy up the "barely used" and "I'll never use this many" bargains.

Explorer1
December 7, 2008, 11:40 PM
Ammo demand has been high at least all year, many law enforcement agencies have been waiting 3 months for the stuff they used to just call and it arrived. The war has taken a toll on supplies of those calibers. The numbers indicate sporting sales were up 10% for most of the year BEFORE the election.
Since the election of what's his name demand has skyrocketed, not only the high profile stuff like .223 but most all stuff. Dealers around here tell me the older folks and youth who have never owned a gun are now buying. Course the so-called "gun nut" crowds are stocking up.

Does that mean it can't be found? No, it can be found. Just sometimes takes some effort.

The election of the Self-annointed One has been good for the economy of at least gun and ammo sales. The AR manufacturers are commonly saying 6 month back orders when asked. And we all know how well most of the sporting industry is at accurately estimating backorder times!

Ignition Override
December 8, 2008, 01:17 AM
Kingpin008: "Roger that".

Everybody has known for many months, if not years, that a presidential election Would take place on November 3, and that a Dem. could win.:confused:

Last summer, anybody with some cash could have bought Wolf (etc) 7.62x39 at $200/1,000 and .223 for about $250/1,000.
As many cases as were affordable.
Why did so many people wait, or did their quantity run low without being aware of the trend?

Oohrah
December 8, 2008, 02:35 AM
No Black Rifles and ammo scarce local. MAGAZINES are back ordered by
a dealer and prices continue to climb as is the non exisitant rifles. A
new Sportsman's Warehouse near Medford, Oregon lots of shotgun,
fair amount of sporting calibers, and little pistol and military calibers
about a month back. Yesterday's sale on Federal 22 ammo at BiMart
in Grants Pass, Oregon was sold out the day before (go figure). Midway
30 Cal 110gr. soft pts. I was going to order to reload some 30 Carbine
@1000, are back ordered. Some stuff in large amounts will not be
backordered (.30, 147gr.) Looks like tight times:cuss: CMP is reported
that Greek 30-06 expected to run out in 18 months instead of estimated
years:banghead: Recovery:confused: Maybe not soon:fire:

ScottsGT
December 8, 2008, 09:16 AM
My local Sportsmans Warehouse has not had any reloading supplies for at least 3 or 4 weeks. All the brass bins are empty, primer shelves are bare, no bullets to speak of. Even the handguns are picked clean. Where they use to stock at least 200 handguns, they maybe have 50-75. Shotguns are plenty, for now....After Barry gets our semi-autos, the pumps and levers will be next followed up by double barrels and singel shots.
Boys, better stock up on that black powder, lead balls and flintlocks soon! That's all we are going to have in a couple to three years!!

leadcounsel
December 9, 2008, 11:05 PM
So this is what a "run" on goods feels like...

I'm optimistic though...

Soon - in a few months - people will be stocked up.

Many/most can't afford or justify buying more ammo when they haven't been shooting, especially because it's the cold weather months for 1/2 of the nation.

I predict that supply will amass around February after all of the current orders are filled and less new orders are placed.

taprackbang
December 9, 2008, 11:11 PM
i don't see a real shortage.

I work at a gun store and our distributor has NO Glock in .40SW, .45, or 9mm. None! Just a few .357 SIGs...
Also, no AR's... There is a REAL shortage of stuff. BUT many stores still have rifles and pistols available which gives the illusion of normal inventory.

"To venerate a law simply because it exists is nonsense.."
Col. Jeff Cooper

Wolfebyte
December 9, 2008, 11:27 PM
Quote:
ByAnyMeans

Walmart has plent of 9mm $19 a 100 rounds and 7.62x39 $29 a hundred rounds (Winchester) but I don't know about rifles availability.

I got 125 rounds of Wolf for $20 from a dealer 2 days ago but it was loose not boxed.

I get Winchester 7.62 now because I'm going to be setting up a reloading system in the next few months so I need the brass.
Yeah, I got some WWB 9mm at walmart a couple weeks ago for around $19 ish, too bad a couple months ago it was only $15.97 for the same box.

Karz


Guy at the Silver Spur show in Abilene, Texas this past weekend selling the same white Winchester Box of 9mm for 29.00 per hundred

I asked him about the price, cause I just bought some at Wally World for 19.00 and a box of .40 for 29.00 ..

He took the box out of my hand, laid it back on the table and said 29.00 was HIS price...

their nuts!

22-rimfire
December 9, 2008, 11:38 PM
He took the box out of my hand, laid it back on the table and said 29.00 was HIS price...
That's classic! I love it. He probably bought his stock at Walmart just prior to the show.

bearmgc
December 9, 2008, 11:45 PM
Nah, we gots tons of ammo at the Rocky Mountain Sports in Riverton. The real question is the price, way high. Blazer 45ACP, $19.00, and they act like its a real big savings.
Priced Remingtom 35rem ammo at $26.00, when I can get it, core-lokts, at Wisconsin Cartridge, their own factory load at 2/3s the price. You know where I'm going online at. Some smaller independent ammo factories will make a killing on these times. Another place The hunting Shack out of Stevensville, MT., and Georgia Arms. Buy bulk, and you'll be happy. Let the big name factory producers go to heil....its an artificial shortage. They're trying to collect premium prices before there's major tax and restriction on factory ammo.

jorb
December 10, 2008, 11:33 AM
I agree that prices are going up on all ammo. High demand will do that.
I also believe that the manufacturers could produce more if they truly wanted to do so.

Grassman
December 10, 2008, 11:43 AM
I'm having a hard time finding large rifle primers. Anyone else?

TEDDY
December 10, 2008, 12:30 PM
one of the problems is very few know where to buy supplys.the second is no one keeps hugh inventories.did you know that a stores inventory is taxed every yr.ergo the cost goes up.and some sites the posters talk about shooting 500 rds a week end.thats wasteful as you dont learn to shoot that way.and the surplus is not going to last forever.I dont know who has ammo as I seldom buy factory and I have enuf to last me a lifetime.with 15 press and 30 molds I can make ammo and my lead loads will kill a good as the best.
after all the old timers used pistol cart. to kill untold animals.32/20-38/40-44/40-38/55.they did not need the magnums.placed right 22 lr will kill a deer.
:rolleyes::uhoh::D
go out and buy reloading press and molds.make your own.

ScottsGT
December 10, 2008, 02:57 PM
Just got back from Sportsmans Warehouse since my visit last week. I heard they were getting a shipment in on Tuesday so I figured what the heck, I'll stop by on Wed. during my lunch break.
Cleaned out again! Salesman told my friend that people were lined up last night waiting on the stock to hit the shelves, and they were cleaned out by the time the store closed. I did find one box of 1K large magnum pistol primers.

heron
December 10, 2008, 05:22 PM
I just stopped by the local gun shop where I bought my Saiga a couple months ago. When I was there for that, they had maybe eight or so AR's on the wall -- all gone. The guy says they're on a four-month back order, and ammo is pretty scarce for him, too.

MagnumDweeb
December 10, 2008, 06:56 PM
I caught a lot of flak for stocking up but hey I've got my 3k of 7.62x39 sitting the safe and am waiting on a 1k of Winchester to show up in January. .308 has been a pain but I got 1k of nonrealoadable in, and five hundred of reloadable in with another 250 or reloadable due in January. 2k of .357, 2k of .45 ACP, and about 6k+ in bricks of .22lr from Wally world. And a k of .38 special. Plus a few hundred rounds of slug 3" 12 gauge and a few hundred rounds of 12 gauge 00'. And when my last order of 8mm Mauser gets in January I'll have over 2k.

I'm still going to keep stocking up. I know some roll it yourselves guys who are at every gunshow who have great gun prices, and by then I'll have my spend stash refilled to pickup 9mm, they already know to set aside a k of FMJs for me. I've also got tons upon tons of spent brass, for round I fire I tend to find five to ten spent reloadable cases. So I'll be ordering my reloads and picking up lead salvage.

grizz3000
December 14, 2008, 04:25 AM
Obama definitely caused this madness.
What is so funny is seeing people wearing Obama T-shirts buying up the guns!

I'm so happy to be a re-loader during these times.
Although, even ordering primers and bullets gets you on a waiting list.
I just got 5000 small pistol primers delivered today, FINALLY.

CU74
December 14, 2008, 10:02 PM
I'm so happy to be a re-loader during these times.
Although, even ordering primers and bullets gets you on a waiting list.
I just got 5000 small pistol primers delivered today, FINALLY.

Lots of suppliers have product, but the buying frenzy has overwhelmed their systems and they are running two weeks or more behind with shipments. I received an order on Friday (12/12) that was accepted by the seller on November 15 - nothing unusual, just powder.

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