Shooter convicted of starting fires near Yosemite


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TAB
December 5, 2008, 02:24 AM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=51497

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Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 02:32 AM
Sucks, but - he's not getting in trouble over shooting - he's getting in trouble over starting the fire.

Not sure where you're from, but throughout the Sierra there's an insane amount of warnings over the dry conditions. We're going into our 3rd year straight of pathetic snow-pack levels, which leads to extremely dry conditions in the summer. Fires are sparked over just about anything, and warnings about fire safety are EVERYWHERE. Certain types of ammo and targets are even prohibited at various times for this very reason, even at proper ranges. I mean, it's so bad, a golfer started a brush fire out here not long ago. Hit into the rough, and trying to pull out of it, scraped a rock with his club - and the spark started a fire. It's no joke.

TAB
December 5, 2008, 02:38 AM
I'm from the centeral valley( sacramento area) I know all to well what a tender bundle we are. The wetest winter we have had in 100 years fallowed by one of the dryest. I'm actually shocked there were not more fires this year. If we don't start getting rain soon, next year is going to be even worse.

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 02:40 AM
ahh okey. I'm in Tahoe.
Yea - we're frickin hurtin. We're at 3% of average snowpack right now, with bright sunny forcast through the next 10 days. Every day that goes by, our estimated watershed levels for the summer drop by a few percentage points. I think the current projections have us at about 74% of normal right now.

not good.

Back to gun related - sucks the guys rifles were ordered destroyed. I hope it wasn't anything noteworthy.

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 02:50 AM
Also gun Related - if you're in the sac area - have you been to that "Badger John's" place? Just off of 80, near Madison Ave - I forget the exact street name, Dale Ave I think it is? Next to a car dealership, a hotel, and a snowboard shop...

I've been to the snowboard shop - and was going to stop in the fun store, but being an NV resident buying in CA - wasn't sure what the laws would be, and figured it probably wasn't worth the hassle...

TAB
December 5, 2008, 03:00 AM
I was when it was at its other location. Alittle high compared to other shops, but its been a year or two. Only thing that will be a prob is buying a firearm, Can't really see why you would want to buy one here... NV has alot better selection.

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 03:07 AM
Yea - was just curious cause i drive through there from time to time. Stop at the snowboard shop next door every once awhile as well.

NV isn't as great as you might think either. Douglas County doesn't have a gun store that i've been able to find. There's listings for several, but they all went out of business??
Carson has Nevada Gun Exchange, and Carson Armory which aren't bad - but are pretty well picked clean on a regular basis. Only choice is to go up to Reno, and even then the local one-off's can't really keep much in stock. you're kinda limited to the box stores like Cabela's and Sportsman's Warehouse.

THe gun laws are favorable - but maybe that's why it's so hard to find guns. :D

Stover954rr
December 5, 2008, 11:34 AM
That is insane that they destroyed his rifles!!! Apparently "THE GUNS DID IT!" prosecution works on more than just violent crimes now! Beautiful.

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 01:43 PM
That is insane that they destroyed his rifles!!! Apparently "THE GUNS DID IT!" prosecution works on more than just violent crimes now! Beautiful.

I think it's simply a means of punishment. Those were the tools that were used during the course of the fire being started. We're not exactly talking about a Brush fire here...

TAB
December 5, 2008, 01:50 PM
it part of the punishment was turning over the rifles, what else should the state do with them?

They can't sell them,so we can either pay to store them forever or a 1 time cost to destroy them.

hmmmm, gee, let me think.

average_shooter
December 5, 2008, 02:03 PM
what else should the state do with them?

How about giving them back? If he wasn't actually doing anything illegal with them, then there's no reason they should be destroyed.

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 02:11 PM
How about giving them back? If he wasn't actually doing anything illegal with them, then there's no reason they should be destroyed.

I can't say with 100% certainty on this - but there's a good probability that what he was doing was prohibited, specifically because of the fire danger.
I'm not feeling much sympathy for the guy, guns destroyed or not.

mcwjr13
December 5, 2008, 02:16 PM
Just an assumption but he was probably convicted of a felony henceforth no guns!

cassandrasdaddy
December 5, 2008, 02:20 PM
Mariposa County District Attorney Robert Brown said Mosher could eventually pay restitution costs in addition to the $500 fine levied against him.

ouch

Grassman
December 5, 2008, 02:27 PM
Did they destroy that golfer's 5 iron? I doubt it!

cassandrasdaddy
December 5, 2008, 02:28 PM
was the golfer playing golf illegally?

WardenWolf
December 5, 2008, 02:33 PM
Thing is, a fire like that normally can be put out with minimal effort when it first sparks. If he didn't put it out but instead just ran, yes, that's fully negligent.

average_shooter
December 5, 2008, 02:39 PM
Thing is, a fire like that likely was not one sudden explosion of fire, but rather a small spark that smoldered in leaves or other vegetation.

Very small embers can produce very thin wisps of smoke that are very difficult to see even when looking for them. But small embers, given the right conditions, can sit for a while then blow up later, perhaps after the shooter had already cleaned up and left.

James T Thomas
December 5, 2008, 02:53 PM
Cynical, but going along with the mindset; perhaps registering lighters and
micro stamping matches?

After all, logically, they are items that can be lethal, especially if they fall into the wrong hands.

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 04:13 PM
Thing is, a fire like that likely was not one sudden explosion of fire, but rather a small spark that smoldered in leaves or other vegetation.

Very small embers can produce very thin wisps of smoke that are very difficult to see even when looking for them. But small embers, given the right conditions, can sit for a while then blow up later, perhaps after the shooter had already cleaned up and left.


Out here in these conditions - that's not how it happens. The fire up here at the lake a year or so ago - went from absolutely nothing to a few hundred acres in the matter of about 5 minutes. The moisture content of some of the trees around here in the summer is at or in some cases below the level of kiln dried lumber... There is no "embers smoldering until the conditions are right"

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 04:28 PM
Also - if this is the guy I'm thinking of, they did start the fire and haul ass outta there, and hid out for some time.

If this is the same fire, and the same people - they were seen in the area at the time, and seen leaving very quickly and very suspiciously at the same time the fire started. The authorities looked for them for awhile - as it was thought at the time to be an intentionally set fire. Can't remember how the law caught up to 'em - but it was pretty clear that this was a case of somebody high-tailing it out of town to CYA, instead of calling for help immediately.

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