Accidentally carried where illegal


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geronimo509
December 5, 2008, 03:59 PM
I'm just wondering if anyone has found themselves carrying concealed and found out it was illegal, or knew it was but forgot to remove firearm before leaving the house?:confused:

I'm curious because i was going to school (community college) and when i parked my car and was about to get out and go to class i noticed i was still carrying! It was a HUGE mistake on my part! It's just that my firearm is like an extension of my body and forgot to take it off my hip before leaving for school. I ended up driving back home and was late for class.

I know i made the right choice! However, would it have been that bad if i unloaded it and separated the ammo from the gun and left it in my car??

I am a law abiding citizen and do not want to get in trouble for something like that.

Furthermore, what should I do if this ever happens again and I am far away from home? It wouldn't be at school, but another place that is a gun free zone.

I'm pretty sure that i posted this in the right place and i searched and didnt find anything close to this. If im wrong, you (moderator) can do what is necessary.

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rbernie
December 5, 2008, 04:03 PM
I was of the impression that it was no illegal to have a gun in a parked car in a school parking lot. I can't recall why I think that, but I do recall that.

I'm sure somebody can help clarify.

7.62Reaper
December 5, 2008, 04:04 PM
hide it in your car. Here in Ohio with your CHL its legal to have your handgun stored in your car while you go inside the school.

geronimo509
December 5, 2008, 04:09 PM
i dont know but i was under the impression that one cannot bring it on the property and the parking lot is their property

divemedic
December 5, 2008, 04:09 PM
I did carry a firearm on a flight from Orlando to Memphis by accident once. I even had to change aircraft in Atlanta. I kept my mouth shut and worried that I would be discovered for the entire flight.

It was in my carry on bag, and no one noticed it was in there. I got lucky.

daniel1113
December 5, 2008, 04:12 PM
I've been in this situation multiple times, and it is the exact reason why I am against any and all prohibitions on carrying.

First, since you are in Bethlehem, PA, I'd like to point out that you did nothing illegal. Carrying on a college campus, or community college, is not illegal. Now, it may be against your school's rules, but there are no laws against it. In fact, except for post offices and courts, there really aren't any places you can't carry according to state law.

Second, you can always leave your gun locked in your car, loaded or unloaded. Again, there is no law against it; however, it may be against your school's policy. It's up to you to decide whether or not you feel comfortable doing so. Guns were not allowed on my college campus (Lehigh University), either. I respected the school's policy while I attended class, but I also regularly kept my firearm locked in my car while on campus. Sure, it was technically against school policy, but I weighed the risks and decided it was worth doing.

Remember: just because it's against the rules doesn't mean it's illegal.

daniel1113
December 5, 2008, 04:14 PM
divemedic,

Just out of curiosity, was that pre-9/11 and TSA, or after? Either way, I'm glad you made it without anyone noticing. I bet that was a nerve racking few hours of travel!

geronimo509
December 5, 2008, 04:22 PM
Daniel can you please tell me where you came across this info?

Prince Yamato
December 5, 2008, 04:23 PM
I'm curious because i was going to school (community college) and when i parked my car and was about to get out and go to class i noticed i was still carrying! It was a HUGE mistake on my part! It's just that my firearm is like an extension of my body and forgot to take it off my hip before leaving for school. I ended up driving back home and was late for class

As a rule of thumb, I would never post my misdeed on the internet...

anyhow, most state laws have something that reads like this, "if the person intentionally brings or carries a firearm onto the premises (or grounds or both)..."

You did not intentionally do something wrong. So, even if you were arrested, the charges would probably be waived as it was not your intention to break the law.

daniel1113
December 5, 2008, 04:27 PM
http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html

I'd recommend joining the PAFOA forum if you haven't already done so. A lot of good people and information there.

geronimo509
December 5, 2008, 04:27 PM
with what your saying Prince, if i intentionally defend myself by using my firearm and it goes through the BG and hits an innocent, i can claim that i did not intentionally hit the innocent person?? that sounds fishy, kinda like being ignorant to the law and thats why ou broke it, ya know.. anyway back on topic

moooose102
December 5, 2008, 04:31 PM
well, i was in a pickle of sorts a while back. i had to go into the school to get my son, but there was another person with me. i did not want her to get into trouble for having a concealed weapon without a license, nor did i want to get into trouble for carrying into the school. i have a suv, so it is not like there is a trunk. what i ended up doing, even though i didnt want to was telling the person that i carried, and that i had to leave the gun in the car. i unloaded it and took the ammo with me, and put the gun inside the spare tire carrier in the back of the suv. so when i got back to the car, we had to have this long talk about why i carry (the other person is my anti-gun mother in law, and is so out of touch with the world it is just sickening). so now, every time she calls, there is this big speil about how dangerous guns are, and how she wants to call cps on us, but she wont because she would never see the kids again. aghhr, sometimes, @$#&^(R$#&(&(*&*

Sinixstar
December 5, 2008, 04:36 PM
I did carry a firearm on a flight from Orlando to Memphis by accident once. I even had to change aircraft in Atlanta. I kept my mouth shut and worried that I would be discovered for the entire flight.

It was in my carry on bag, and no one noticed it was in there. I got lucky.


And here I gotta take my shoes off, turn my laptop on, and throw away my cigarette lighter :banghead:

ZombieHunter
December 5, 2008, 04:53 PM
lol dive please tell me this was pre-9/11

rondog
December 5, 2008, 05:00 PM
I did carry a firearm on a flight from Orlando to Memphis by accident once. I even had to change aircraft in Atlanta. I kept my mouth shut and worried that I would be discovered for the entire flight.

It was in my carry on bag, and no one noticed it was in there. I got lucky.

That happened to me once too, back in 1986-87 or so. I had a Rohm RG-10 .22 short revolver in my camera bag, which went through two x-ray machines and one hand inspection. I totally forgot it was in there, until I was going through the bag at my destination and found it. I KNOW I turned white as a sheet, I'd probably STILL be in jail.

Still have that stupid pistol too.

misANTHrope
December 5, 2008, 05:10 PM
Done this once here in TN. Couple and friends and I went to a downtown coffee shop one afternoon. I was packing as always. We'd been there probably half an hour when I noticed that there was a second counter, away from the one where we'd ordered, with beer taps behind it.

Uh-oh. Carrying where alcohol is served is a no-no in TN.

That's one of the things that bugs be about the alcohol restriction here. Not every place that serves has a big "OMF BEER SERVED HERE" sign out front. Hopefully our new-found Repub-controlled legislature will take care of this in 2009...

ronto
December 5, 2008, 05:16 PM
NEVER have...NEVER will...and if I do some day in error...I'll NEVER admit it.

che_70b
December 5, 2008, 05:22 PM
I will pretty much musc always stash it in the glove box or possibly the trunk in these situations. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to be searching your car in these situations so you should be fine. I tend to prefer the glove box beacouse it is easyier to discretetly stash the gun there than the trunk. Outside the car someone is more likely to notice what you are doing.

This past spring I went to a convention. I knew I could not carry at the con but was supprised to learn that ever single parking garage nearby also prohibited firearms. So I wrapped it in a spare shirt I had in the cab and locked it in the trunk with the spare tire. Legal no, but it is crazy to expect to drive back home, over night trip, to drop it off.

WardenWolf
December 5, 2008, 05:40 PM
Remember: just because it's against the rules doesn't mean it's illegal.

Pretty much. In Arizona, the law states that any adult who is not a student may store an unloaded firearm in their vehicle on school grounds. Campus policies are normally anti-gun, although with my legal storage measures the firearm itself is not visible from outside the vehicle with the doors closed and is cased (cannot be considered concealed). Long story short, if someone happens to see it as I'm getting into or out of the vehicle (and doesn't assume it's the pouch containing the car's manual) and comments, it's "Good day, sir" followed by me driving off. Unless it is a uniformed officer asking me questions, I will neither confirm nor deny anything someone thinks they saw, and I am not legally beholden to do so.

GRIZ22
December 5, 2008, 07:22 PM
Daniel 1113 is correc t here's a link to inform you: http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html

The school may have rules and they could expel you but it is not a crime.

geronimo509
December 5, 2008, 07:27 PM
I said i got to school and turned around and went home. so its not that much of a misdeed. I was just wondering to see if it happens again if it would be alright to lock it in my car. Just so you have the facts right.

divemedic
December 5, 2008, 07:30 PM
I was still married to my first wife, so that would make it 1995-1996. I don't remember the exact date.

geronimo509
December 5, 2008, 07:30 PM
also the pa forum is pretty cool.. i have the same name there now..

catfish101
December 5, 2008, 10:31 PM
I can believe you made it threw an airport with a firearm. Back in the 80's it was no big deal.

Well back in the 80's I did a book report on firearms and took one to my class in school. Was told not to bring any shells in with it. Leave them in my truck.



Unless I missed something and the law changed since I took my CDW coarse, no carry on school premises doesn't mean a firearm can't be in your automobile. It was only illegal if you "brandished" the firearm.

The Bushmaster
December 6, 2008, 11:10 AM
On occasion. Accidently and on purpose...

Bubba613
December 6, 2008, 06:58 PM
It's only illegal if you get caught.

MT GUNNY
December 6, 2008, 07:08 PM
Can the Campus legally search your vehicle with out your permission?

daniel1113
December 6, 2008, 07:29 PM
NO!

They could request your permission to search your vehicle, and you could refuse. Of course, the school can also ask you to leave campus permanently if you refuse.

gustav129
December 6, 2008, 08:16 PM
Hey Dive, You are lucky. When I was about 13, my little brother brought one of those cheap metal toy guns in his carry on. He had to get searched because the x-ray machine picked it up. This was in Fargo, back in 1993.

jad0110
December 6, 2008, 08:41 PM
Unless I missed something and the law changed since I took my CDW coarse, no carry on school premises doesn't mean a firearm can't be in your automobile. It was only illegal if you "brandished" the firearm.

Depends on the state. Don't do it at all in NC. Educational property (private or public) in North Carolina are true gun free zones, you can't even leave an unloaded weapon locked in the trunk of your car. That's part of the reason why I haven't returned to my alma mater since graduating. I knew a guy who was nearly expelled for leaving a live shotgun shell in his pickup truck bed by mistake :banghead: .

Oh well, I guess it makes the sheeple feel "safe".

That said, a friend of mine always says "concealed means concealed." He carries EVERYWHERE except places that have metal detectors (court houses, airports). Otherwise, he always has his Glock 23 with him. His thoughts are that his life is too valuable to leave unprotected.

Deltaboy
December 6, 2008, 09:04 PM
I have always just hid it my truck. I did a nono with air planes but that's all i'm saying. :D

In college we all had shotguns and deer rifles in the dorms. But I did go to college in Ark and I got out in 91.

misANTHrope
December 6, 2008, 09:27 PM
NO!

They could request your permission to search your vehicle, and you could refuse. Of course, the school can also ask you to leave campus permanently if you refuse.

What if they have PC? Some campus cops are sworn officers, so I would think that they'd have the same ability to search as any other LEO.

Thor Bloodax
December 6, 2008, 09:29 PM
1. A man in Cochran, Georgia was arrested recently for accidentally carrying onto a college campus. Jail time.

2. Just try to get onto an Air Force Base with a weapon. Arrest time. Same with ammunition. Arrest time. Same with "reloading components". Arrest time. They have random vehicle searches, dogs and after 9/11 for several days I was looking at a machine gun mounted on a Humvee as I went into the gate. Spooky but needful to protect our national interests against real terriorists trying to penetrate our defense bases.

WardenWolf
December 6, 2008, 09:36 PM
What if they have PC? Some campus cops are sworn officers, so I would think that they'd have the same ability to search as any other LEO.

Only with a warrant or any other condition that would allow a search. That is what it boils down to. They still have to follow laws against unlawful search and seizure. And they can't get a warrant based on hearsay. That has no legal standing.

doc540
December 6, 2008, 09:43 PM
Yes, I have but I can't post about it here.

Let's just say it involved an international airport and a loaded handgun beyond security.

And a pair of soiled briefs.:eek:

eldogg
December 6, 2008, 09:48 PM
in n.c., it is prohibited to carry on any educational property, public or private, of any kind.(g.s.14-269.2)
i keep my "rule book" in the car in case there is any question, especially with a member of law enforcement.

SamG.
December 6, 2008, 10:03 PM
misANTHrope -

Which coffee shop was that? Stone Cup? :D

nc76
December 6, 2008, 10:21 PM
I was thinking about this just today. I was leaving the truck on the way to my hometown Christmas parade and realized I had my KT P3AT in my back pocket. I walked back to the truck to put it in b/c in NC, even with a concealed carry permit:

4. Events Occurring In Public Places
North Carolina law further makes it unlawful for any person participating in,
affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line,
or demonstration upon any public place, owned or under the control of the State of
North Carolina, or any of its political subdivisions, to willfully or intentionally possess,
or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon.

I was with my wife and baby girl, so I did not want the remote outside chance of getting "busted" for breaking a rediculous law.


:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

conw
December 6, 2008, 10:32 PM
present as a spectator at any parade

Hmm, so if you're going to a parade specifically to shoot someone I guess you aren't a spectator then.

misANTHrope
December 7, 2008, 01:19 AM
misANTHrope -

Which coffee shop was that? Stone Cup?

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TAB
December 7, 2008, 04:29 AM
it does not have to be illegal for them to make your life hell. Just like in the employment world, getting kicked out of school for violating thier weapons policy will stay with you for the rest of your life...

crushbup
December 7, 2008, 09:40 AM
It's only illegal if you get caught.
No, it's illegal regardless of whether you are caught. Sure, you can't get punished for it if you aren't caught, but let's not give bad advice to people.

geronimo509
December 7, 2008, 10:21 AM
I agree with Crush. if its illegal do not do it.

Art Eatman
December 7, 2008, 10:25 AM
"If it's illegal, don't do it."

A good closing statement...

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