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moooose102
December 6, 2008, 07:11 AM
i had a thought yesterday when i was out hunting (in the cold blowing snow):cuss:. if you owned a large chunk of land, and you wanted to hunt from a standing vehicle (illegal here, unless you have a doctors statement saying you can not walk (parapelegic) and you go to the state and get a permit) could the dnr come onto your property and arrest you for it? as you can figure, i am getting older, and the cold bothers me more and more. and that thought came to my mind. it sure would be nice to sit in my truck with the heater running, window down, gun sticking out of it, just waiting for a deer to come along.:D:neener:

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qajaq59
December 6, 2008, 07:26 AM
I think that he could and very likely would. Have you looked at some of the insulated GoreTex suits? When I got older I bought one for duck hunting, and it was great. A really warm hat and pack boots will help you as well.
It's a PITA to get old, but the other alternative sucks too.

JWarren
December 6, 2008, 08:02 AM
While our stands are around 20" high, we have friends who have low "blind" stands that only require steps to enter.

The stands that we use-- and these low ones-- are fully enclosed and have windows that can be close. For particularly cold days, we have a small propane heater that you can get for around $20 inside the stands.

I've literally taken my jacket off while hunting because I got too warm.


I'd consider a low stand with steps, enclosed and windowed, and add a propane heater.


That will do it.



-- John

Double Naught Spy
December 6, 2008, 08:13 AM
i am getting older, and the cold bothers me more and more. and that thought came to my mind. it sure would be nice to sit in my truck with the heater running, window down, gun sticking out of it, just waiting for a deer to come along.

Yeah, but wouldn't you look all funny with a big old feeder on the back of your truck all the time, and wouldn't it be silly if you forgot to turn it off and it would be dispensing corn twice a day regardless of where you were parked in own?

Have you seen the 12v hot chocolate machines you can have in your vehicle?

Do you really want to tax the truck that much by having to run the heat on high to compensate for the open window? Wouldn't it be better if you just installed tiny gun ports?

Maybe they will let you hunt with full auto too, or at least a laser?

If hunting is inconveniencing you that much, then why not just do remote control hunting and that way you don't have to leave the comfort of your own home?
http://www.outdoorlife.com/article/Outdoor-News/Remote-Control-Hunting

Or, as noted, you could just get some more appropriate gear.

penny
December 6, 2008, 08:14 AM
My father in law tells me old age isn't for P@##$!:) But I am in MI also and have a hard time with the cold also. But I think the DNR would love to write
you a ticket for hunting out of the truck.

harmonic
December 6, 2008, 08:15 AM
I just read how that Michigan has so many deer that the state has literally taken to hiring "professional" hunters who shoot from helicopters. It's not getting the job done.

Mackinac76
December 6, 2008, 08:48 AM
Geez, harmonic, from what microcosm in Michigan are you making these conclusions? Ever been to the U.P.?

Art Eatman
December 6, 2008, 10:02 AM
dns, I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt about teasing vs. sarcasm. Folks who get all arrogant about Olde Pharts' desire for creature comforts have all the credibility of a fart in a hurricane.

Look: For some twenty years I could go out and do physical work around here when it was a hundred to a hundred-ten degrees. That was in the shade, but I had to build the shade. For a lot longer than that I could go out hunting with no more than just a medium down jacket in temperatures in the thirties.

Unfortunately, now I'm seventy-damned-four. It hits no more than ninety or ninety-five and I holler "Calf rope!" and head for the A/C. And if I wore enough clothing to stay warm enough to suit me, I'd make the Michelin Man look skinny.

I figure I've made my bones in this deer hunting game. I've done many a ten- to fifteen-mile walking hunt in some of North America's roughest country since some 35 years ago. Do your Google Map for "Terlingua" and drag northwest some ten or fifteen miles. But those days are gone with my worn-out old legs.

So I'll pick a likely spot in the twenty-miles-back-of-beyond and sit in my truck and recall the old days and maybe Bambi will wander along; maybe not. But I don't need some "Willie off the pickle boat" to tell me how I oughta hunt. I've forgotten more about Bambi than most folks will ever know.

The Bushmaster
December 6, 2008, 10:50 AM
Those are the "king's" deer. You must have a hunting license to hunt them anywhere...

deadin
December 6, 2008, 11:12 AM
My question would be "If you don't want to experience all of the work and discomfort that comes with hunting, why are you hunting in the first place? Just because you want to kill something?" If it's for the meat, there are places that sell venison, etc. and they will deliver right to your door.:evil::neener:

Double Naught Spy
December 6, 2008, 03:44 PM
Well Art, it is like you have said in the past. It is about the connection to nature that makes hunting - hunting. It is hard to get that connection from inside a pickup truck with all the heat on, engine running, etc. It will be tough to tap the nose with your boot of that fox that ventures by and doesn't see you because he will have to open the door first open the door or climb in the window. You do paint a purdy picture of hunting.

I left the stand this morning after spending several hours there overnight, waiting on hogs that never materialized. I realized I had lost the feeling in my hands and could not feel the differences in the parts of the rifle with my fingers. Climbing down from the stand, I could not feel the rungs with my feet. My knees sounded like ratchets as I climbed down.

So yeah, we all feel it. Some of us feel it sooner and worse because we are old. Some because of injuries. Some just get to that point because of spending too much time too motionless too cold. Some get it from a combination of everything.

7.62X25mm
December 6, 2008, 04:55 PM
Game regulations apply whether you're on private land or public.

You can't shoot game out of season on private land. You can't hunt on private land with unlawful firearms (e.g. high capacity magazines).

Same hunting laws apply to hunting from a vehicle -- on public land or private.

HeavenlySword
December 6, 2008, 06:34 PM
The thing is- its your land. Whos going to know?

MT GUNNY
December 6, 2008, 07:21 PM
If you have a Handicap license from fish and game that says you can then do it ! What is DNR

My Father here in Montana can shoot from the Vehicle as long as he is off Paved Hwy.

Nooblet
December 6, 2008, 07:29 PM
Why is everyone coming down on an old man who still wants to partake in his hobby? Give the guy a break.

Officers'Wife
December 6, 2008, 07:51 PM
Hi Heavenly,

The thing is- its your land. Whos going to know?


It's plain to see you have never lived in a small town. If you sneeze in your closest on section one, the people in section 36 know it within five minutes.

Ol` Joe
December 6, 2008, 08:32 PM
In Michigan it is against the law to hunt or shoot from a vehical, boat or ORV. It is also not legal to have a loaded firearm in a running vehical. Special permits are given out to handicapped hunters but I believe they are required to hunt privet land with them not public. I may be mistaken there though. The DRN can go anywhere they feel a game law is being broke. They don`t need an invite if they have "probable cause". A barrel poking out a running truck is definately "probable cause".
Build a blind if you own the land and put a small propane space heater in it. I can sit all day so set, and hunt or icefish in 10-20* F with comfort. Don`t forget some eave ventilation for safety.

Sunray
December 6, 2008, 09:51 PM
"...What is DNR..." Department of Natural Resources.
"...Why is everyone coming down on an old man..." Easier to beat up on an old guy. snicker.
Time for some new clothes and new boots. Buy a hat and gloves while your at it. Bambi won't be coming anywhere near a vehicle with the engine running.

JohnnyOrygun
December 7, 2008, 01:20 AM
I think that since it's his property, he should be able to hunt from his truck if he wants to. I am disabled right now and not really old... I need both hips replaced and I am only 39. I have a disabled hunter permit, so I can legally hunt from my vehicle on public or private land as long as I am not on a public road. It is not right to think someone is too old to hunt, just because they can't get out and hike 20 miles a day through forests and over the highest mountains.

Hunting is part of our national heritage and everyone should be able to partake of it. It's the same reason we don't all own glocks, its choice. Sure glocks are great, but some people don't like them... the same with hunting, some people want to pack 40 miles in to the wilderness and then hike all over the middle of nowhere. I would ***LOVE*** to be able to do that kind of hunt, but I don't think I will ever be able to, even after my hips are replaced. The Doctor told me I would have to limit myself to less then 5 miles of walking/hiking or I will wear out my replacements prematurely.

Have I been real successful hunting from my truck, no.. terrible in fact. But I love being out in the woods and seeing all of God's great creation. I hunt with friends who know of my limitations and they don't mind working around them. I have great friends! They are certainly not hunting snobs, they enjoy the friendship and camaraderie, it's great. If my buddies want to hike in some place then we already know who will stay with the truck and who will pick them up at the top or bottom of the ridge, me.

Besides, my hunting license/tag fees go to help improve hunting for the hardcore hunters too, so they should appreciate the elderly and disabled hunters, because we are helping them and not really competing with them for the animals. Besides around here, we don't use stands/blinds for big game hunting... nor do we have food plots or feeding stations for the game. We have to either stalk them or (in my case) stumble on them. Unless like last year, I almost ran over a black bear running across the road...all I saw was a black blur and me hitting the brakes, but he was safe anyhow, I wasn't hunting bear.

Anyhow, I think the younger more hard core hunters need to give the old guys a break, cut em some slack and let them enjoy the hunting too... they have earned it and just like owning guns is a right in The United States, hunting is a right too and that right applies to old and young alike.

End of my rant.

JohnnyOrygun

DRYHUMOR
December 7, 2008, 07:13 AM
I'm not that old, but I do seem to have a hard time rolling out at dark thirty to hunt. I sure didn't when I was younger. Deer or ducks. Man those duck hunt seasons were brutal. I cut back to opening day for several years, and now I've cut back to ... my decoy bag hasn't left the shed for three or 4 years now. Surprizingly, I still get up at 4:30 or 5. Gotta 2 cups of joe before I make a move, seems to get everything primed.

+1 on building a blind, that would be the real way to go. I keep thinking about that myself. The more comfortable you are, the longer you can stay in the hunt. I've got a couple catalytic heaters that Coleman made, believe me, they will run you out your coat pretty quick.

qajaq59
December 7, 2008, 08:01 AM
He can build a super duper blind with heat and a tv. Maybe add a coffee maker and a microwave for a hot meal. But heavens.... don't let some poor old guy with bad circulation sit in his car. And yes, I know why the law is there, and I agree that it's necessary. But put this way it doesn't seem quite fair.

JWarren
December 7, 2008, 09:07 AM
The whole point of the law about hunting out of a vehicle was to prevent "headlighting" and doing a "drive-by" on deer fields or taking "targets of opportunity." It also protected landowners because the afore mentioned actions were (and are) often done irrespective of the land that the deer is on.

Does that really sound like what the Original Poster is trying to accomplish?

We have a law here that has good intentions, but may not be flexible enough to address a situation when the actions the law intended to prevent is not present.

How many times have we seen a law used against someone who is not doing what the law was designed to prevent? How outraged do we get about it on THR? RICO anyone?

And yet, there are folks here telling him that "if you can't do it the normal way, you are too old to hunt."

Wow.


-- John

cassandrasdaddy
December 7, 2008, 01:21 PM
i've helped an oldtimer hunt in wva where we took a ford ranger extended cab out on the hill and put it on blocks.

qajaq59
December 7, 2008, 03:14 PM
And yet, there are folks here telling him that "if you can't do it the normal way, you are too old to hunt." Yes, I noticed that as well. Sad!

Boiler_81
December 7, 2008, 03:47 PM
http://roadhunter360.com/Home.html :)

CSA 357
December 7, 2008, 08:31 PM
if you were in tx it would be fine, if i got to where i couldnt walk or get out of my truck i would still like to have a place i could hunt from my truck, what does it matter? if your not moving? it dont see the proublum, i have hunted gas lines while in my truck, here you can hunt from a boat or truck if it is not moving, csa

Oohrah
December 8, 2008, 02:20 AM
A +1 with Johnnny Orygun. I was pretty sure that Oregon law allowed
disabled to hunt from a vehicle on private land. Seems they either
were going to allow another to harvest for a disabled or talking about it.
Also listed as disabled, but been able to proud it out, and walk passed
disabled parking spaces and licenses to hunt and fish are the same as
those without disabilities. Just a few years till 70, the golden years
may be rust. Rapidly going to where active older people go with nothing
seemingly working properly. Be positive cause all those in opposition
may find themselves needing an edge to continue to be in the field and
harvest game. In my area, probably more cars than hunters kill deer
then in any method used.;)

JohnnyOrygun
December 8, 2008, 03:07 AM
Not to drift the thread too much, but in some Oregon Hunting Units, if you have a disabled hunter permit, you can take either sex animals. So this year my buddies and I went the High Cascade Elk Hunt, since I could take either a bull or a cow. So being a disabled hunter isn't all bad. :D And hunting with a disabled hunter isn't too bad, since there is enough meat on a cow elk to share with two or three friends.

Oohrah, Douglas County is the same... more dead deer along the road then all of the hunters took this season... and some nice bucks too :banghead:

Ok, end of thread drift...

JohnnyOrygun

csd4682
December 10, 2008, 05:55 AM
IF your going to use the propane heater, PLEASE leave a couple of the windows unzipped so you can get cross wind, otherwise you might take a very long nap due to carbon monoxide. PLease be carefull when using heaters, they can and will kill you.

TEDDY
December 10, 2008, 12:08 PM
some of you young squirts will be our age if you dont die.if it is not 76/78 I freeze. and I shoot out my front door.got 2 in field 50yrd out,another 100 yrds.would depend on state I would think.old man I hunted for yrs in Maine and New Hampshire,got one in Maine.BUT the walking the woods and watching nature was great.GO FOR IT MAN.I am 84 and dont exactly hunt,but the deer are right there most of the time its to dark to shoot .The other night there were three deer in the field and I ran back and forth trying to find a gun I could se the deer with by the time I got one they could not wait any longer and left.were getting a game cam for christmas.
and for the nay sayers dont be so nasty,you may be on the receiving end some day.:rolleyes::uhoh::eek:

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