Ak Magazine US Compliane Parts


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snoopy2u
December 6, 2008, 10:51 AM
Greetings and Salutations for a Joyous Holiday! As per the help and advise of many of you - I have recently, and sucessfully installed a Tapco trigger group, and Tapco gas piston to my Ak-47 variant. The piston pin was a bear to remove. It broke two tools by the time I decided to drill the pin out. Luckily, I drilled dead center of the pin as it came out as a round sheet metal cylinder - hollow pin.

I wished to make a US made Ak magazine - so I purchased a few Tapco followers to replace the import followers in my mags. On one mag - with a back rib to it, the polymer made follower slid right up to the top of the mag so that the bolt would catch the back of the follower for an empty mag. this is the way I beleive it should have operated.

However, in replacing the import follower in my newer magazines, I noticed the the bolt slammed closed on the empty mag. NOT A CORRECT OPERATION.
In examining these newer, no back rib mags - I noticed that the Tapco follower was not arriving to the top of the magazine. Rather, there were two dimples, left and right on the top of the mag that kept the follower from raising to the top. Instead of altering a $20 mag to fit a $2 follower - I marked the follower where these dimples were - took a round file and created a longated (downward) circular cut into the Tapco follwer. As I suspected, the file cuts allowed the follower to rise over these dimples and hit flush with the top of the magazine.

So, is there anyone out there that can suggest the reliablity of these Tapco polymer made follwers?

Does anyone know of another supplier of US made follwers, preferrably metal constructed?

Does anyone know of a supplier of US made AK mag floor plates? Preferrably metal constructed?

Lastly, a Tapco trigger group counts as 3 compliance parts, US made butt stock, forearm and pistol grip counts as 1 compliance part, and the Tapco gas piston counts as 1 compliance part, US made Tapco follower - 1 compliance part. Is there any other imported part that is US made that anyone knows of - that can easily be installed in my variant??

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MT GUNNY
December 6, 2008, 12:13 PM
Sounds like you are a true gunny keep up the good work . I really like it when people take matters into there own hands and solve Problems, Instead of complaining "this is crap" Please let us know if the fix holds up.

MT GUNNY
December 6, 2008, 12:14 PM
Got Pics

nalioth
December 6, 2008, 01:01 PM
You don't need to drill your gas piston rivet. It comes out as easy as pie with a punch.

Use the punch - no worries about 'off axis drilling'.

snoopy2u
December 6, 2008, 06:22 PM
I tried using a punch, in fact three punches. Two of them broke, and the other bent like a pretzel. As the pin did come out a little - I even locked onto it with a pair of vise grips. Tried to turn it out a little more. No way. It was in there and it did not wish to come out. Drilling took me minutes, with a good eye and steady hand - right down the center of the pin.

I'll try some photos - but to be honest - I am somewhat stupid with much of this high tech computer stuff. But - I'll look into it and see if I can attach a photo.

Any answers to Tapco's polymer follower reliability? Or, suppliers for mag floor plates? Is there any other easy part that I can replace to further meet compliance?

gustav129
December 6, 2008, 08:32 PM
Lastly, a Tapco trigger group counts as 3 compliance parts, US made butt stock, forearm and pistol grip counts as 1 compliance part, and the Tapco gas piston counts as 1 compliance part, US made Tapco follower - 1 compliance part. Is there any other imported part that is US made that anyone knows of - that can easily be installed in my variant??

I believe you are mistaken with this statement. Those are 3 seperate parts, therefore, 3 compliance parts. The Tapco ploy magazine counts as 3 compliance parts and are very good. If you were to install the Magazine, you have a total of 10 us made compliance parts.

I'm not sure how many parts an AK has (18 maybe? An SKS only has 15 parts), so you should be pretty close.

If you were to go to Tapco's website, they have all the compliance parts needed.

nalioth
December 6, 2008, 08:36 PM
I'm not sure how many parts an AK has (18 maybe? An SKS only has 15 parts), so you should be pretty close. An AK with a muzzle device has 16 countable parts.

MD_Willington
December 6, 2008, 10:49 PM
butt stock = 1
pistol grip = 1

upper and lower hand guard = 1

I wonder about a saiga or AMD as they only have a lower, so using fuzzy beer keyboard logic, the lower on those if US made would count as 1 part.. I guess.. oo oo time for another beer!

Deus Machina
December 7, 2008, 02:08 AM
I don't see any reason the tapco followers shouldn't hold up for a good long while.

That said, they are NOT made to withstand the bolt slamming shut on them, because the bolt is NOT DESIGNED to be held open after the last shot.

AK's are crude, clunky, but very effective weapons. The indicator that your magazine is empty is the nice metallic 'click'. I'd bet the action of rocking a mag out would wear the follower as much as the bolt smacking on it.

WardenWolf
December 7, 2008, 02:13 AM
By my count, you don't need to alter your magazines. You're already compliant.

Saigas, I know, start with 14 foreign parts including the magazine. A standard AK would also have a pistol grip and maybe a muzzle device, making them 15 or 16.

Take 16:

Tapco trigger (-3)
US gas piston (-1)
Tapco stock (-1)
Tapco foregrip (-1)

Total: 10, and legal regardless of what mag you put in it. The law clearly says "No more than 10", so 10 is legal.

For the record, the ATF consideres the lower part of a split handguard to be the actual handguard. The upper part does not count.

If it's a 7.62x39 AK, you can also get a Surefire Saiga magazine and remove the feed lip. These are high-quality polymer magazines with a last-round bolt hold open and a 5-year warranty. They are considered to be extremely reliable. They will also give you 3 more compliance parts.

nalioth
December 7, 2008, 11:56 AM
For the record, the ATF consideres the lower part of a split handguard to be the actual handguard. The upper part does not count. Got this in writing?

I do not want to be the poster child, personally.

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