Texas to consider CCW on campus


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DFW1911
December 6, 2008, 06:58 PM
All,

Thought you might find this interesting.

Take care,
DFW1911

Link to story and video:

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa081206_lj_watson.38544d4b.html

Lawmakers to consider end of campus gun ban

03:03 PM CST on Saturday, December 6, 2008

By BRAD WATSON / WFAA-TV

December 6th, 2008

When Texas lawmakers start meeting next month, they'll decide whether college students will be allowed to carry more than books to their classes.

Bills will be filed to expand the concealed handgun law.

They would allow permit holders to carry their guns on private and public college campuses.

For gun rights groups, it's priority number one.

The gunshots by a crazed student at Virginia Tech that left 32 people dead will echo in the Texas legislature.

"Campuses aren't immune to like assaults, rapes, murders and violent crime and we deserve the right to protect ourselves," said UTD student, Alexandra Ransom.

Ransom of Richardson is a junior at the University of Texas at Dallas.

She belongs to a group called Students for Concealed Carry on Campus that believes Texans with concealed handgun permits should be allowed to take their guns on college property.

State law bans concealed guns on campuses.

But bills will be filed in the legislature to allow them.

And they'll be backed by the one of the largest gun rights groups in Texas.

"There is no real reason to believe that a law that has been so successful in our general population will fail when it is taken into a college campus," said James Dark, of the Texas State Rifle Association.

As popular as gun rights issues are in Texas, opponents say the bill be fought hard in the legislature.

Representative Lon Burnam of Fort Worth says he understands in the emotion after Virginia Tech that gun supporters claimed a legally-armed student or teacher might've saved lives.

But he says campus security can be improved and adding more guns is too risky.

"If I were a faculty member I would be extremely concerned about the notion of students being allowed to walk into the classroom with guns," he said.

Gun bills don't always cut along party lines in the legislature.

In 2007, the Castle doctrine that expanded situations where people can use deadly force in homes, businesses and cars passed with heavy Republican and Democratic support.

Ransom, who's 19, hopes the law is changed so she can get concealed handgun license when she turns 21 and take her gun to school.

E-mail bwatson@wfaa.com.

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withdrawn34
December 6, 2008, 07:24 PM
"If I were a faculty member I would be extremely concerned about the notion of students being allowed to walk into the classroom with guns,"

I'm sure Cho didn't care though.

daniel1113
December 6, 2008, 07:30 PM
Glad to hear this is being discussed. I'm looking to attend law school at UT, so it would be awesome if this passed before or sometime during my time there.

Prince Yamato
December 6, 2008, 07:37 PM
If this passed before I completed my PhD in a semester or two, I would consider it the ultimate graduation gift.

Deltaboy
December 6, 2008, 09:11 PM
I agree this law needs to be passed. Our rights should not end where the college campus begins.

armoredman
December 6, 2008, 10:32 PM
Dr Prince Yamato? Congrats on a hard job done well...a little early, I know.

Prince Yamato
December 7, 2008, 10:39 AM
Dr Prince Yamato? Congrats on a hard job done well...a little early, I know.

I'd be the first in my family to get a PhD as well as the first to give his dissertation whilst packing a handgun. :)

7.62X25mm
December 7, 2008, 06:37 PM
Concealed carry on campus works where it's permitted. No "blood bath" and most people are not "aware" that some specific individual might be armed.

But the criminals sure as hell expect that EVERYBODY might be armed.

That's the impact of legal carry.

Cyborg
December 7, 2008, 09:00 PM
Hadn't heard about this. All I can say is "About Frakking Time!"

Course I ain't holding my breath for it to pass. Cops in Houston, S.A., Dallas, and (naturally) Austin are gonna scream bloody murder. I seriously doubt they'll be too tickled about open carry, either.

Cyborg

sailortoo
December 7, 2008, 10:19 PM
My congrats too, to Doctor Prince Yamato (so what if it is a little early), that "extra effort" to go the full course is impressive. My thoughts on the campus CCW; exactly the same situation existed in the past, when Suzanna Hupp took her parents to the restaurant in Killeen, Texas, and watched them be gunned down by a mad man - and her self defense weapon was locked in her car - BY LAW! That situation caused her to get elected to the Texas legislature, just to change that law, which she did (Texas CCW).Yet, the same kind of situation exists in our usual "targets of choice", schools and colleges and other "CCW not allowed" areas. I have the benefit of OC, as I live in New Mexico, and hope Texas joins us soon, making it legal there, too.
sailortoo

Prince Yamato
December 8, 2008, 03:07 AM
Here's the other thing too, CCW on campuses in Texas isn't like some sort of great leap of the law. You can carry your gun in your car on Texas campuses. You can also walk through most campuses with a CCW, as roads, thoroughfares, parking lots, etc. are not considered campus premises. So according to Texas law, I could perform an elaborate dance outside a doorway to the student union while CCWing, but if I enter through that doorway, I'm a felon. I could also rush into the building and shoot an aggressor in self-defense and not be charged with carrying where I shouldn't be, because that would be considered an over-riding lawful action (Texas has fancier wording for it though). Why the bleeping-"h" can't I just carry in a school building? The opposition will really have to try and prove that this is suddenly that much different than what we already have. The reality is it's not. It's merely saying that school buildings are now OK to carry in. I think we'll win this one pretty easily.

lanternlad1
December 8, 2008, 02:25 PM
"Cops in Houston, S.A., Dallas, and (naturally) Austin are gonna scream bloody murder."

Austin cops - definately.
Dallas cops - probably.
Houston cops - doubtful.

I live in Houston so I can't speak for the other two cities, really. But most Houston cops are really quite sensible when it comes to CCW here. My wife was involved with an altercation where she had to pull her gun. The guy ran off and she never fired a shot. The Houston cop who responded never even asked to see her CHL license, never asked to take the gun, only asked if she had fired it. She said no and showed him, and when he saw that it had not been fired (Smith revolver - easy to tell) told her to put it up. He was very courteous and professional about the whole thing.

On the other hand...

I had a friend in Austin living in student housing while attending UT, when someone broke in to his apt while he was sitting there watching TV. He grabbed his .380 and pointed it at the perp, who ran off. When he called the Austin cops they wanted to take the gun away "to test it for ballistics" even though it hadn't been fired. When my friend pointed this little fact out, and that "testing" would be impossible, they then asked for permission to search his place! He told them to get lost. They replied "Well, don't come crying to us if he comes back." To which my friend replied, "If he comes back, he'll be the one who'll be crying." He then proceeded to cuss out the cops for being the worthless, gun grabbing facists that they were. (He's LEO too)

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