Keltec PF-9 vs. Taurus Millenium Pro Pt-111


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7Star
December 6, 2008, 08:21 PM
I know this isn't an original post..but I'm looking to try a new CCW. I don't have alot of cash on hand and I was seriously eyeing both the Keltec PF-9 vs. Taurus Millenium Pro Pt-111.

The PF-9 is lighter..although weight isn't a huge issue with me, i carry a makarov right now. I guess my biggest concern is the keltec is DAO...but it is slightly more compact.

Has anyone carried and fired both. I have fired the Taurus and it felt good...but I have never shot the keltec. Didn't care for the previous one though..the p11

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Troy308
December 6, 2008, 10:16 PM
I have a PF-9. It's a great CCW! Adjustable rear sight. Decent trigger pull. recoils pretty well because of it's size and weight. Great value and quality for the money. I haven't handled the Taurus. I like the looks and feel of the Kahr series of CCW's as well.

danweasel
December 6, 2008, 10:57 PM
My PT-111 is a piece of monkey !@#$. Does that help?

ConstantineJ9
December 6, 2008, 11:00 PM
Taurus

Dan-O
December 7, 2008, 12:20 AM
They are both DAO....the PF-9 and the PT-111. The trigger pull on the PF-9 is much nicer than that of the KT P-11. Are you going to pocket carry? If you are, I would go with the PF-9. I would surely buy a PT-111 over a KT-11 any day.

GZOh_Jr
December 7, 2008, 01:20 AM
I haven't fire either, but held both. I liked the idea of the Kel-tec, but I swear my trigger finger hurt after dry firing it a couple of times.

People swear by KT's reliability, whereas there seem to be a lot of complaints about Taurus. Yet when holding the pistols, the Taurus seemed like a higher priced pistol than it was, but the KT seemed like a $200 pistol.

7Star
December 7, 2008, 02:08 AM
Dan, the Millenium Pro I'm looking at is not DAO. It is definitely DA/SA holds 12, has what i think is a straight eight rear sight and rail. I've shot one just like it and it was very nice and extremely reliable. It has about 200 rounds through it.

Dollar An Hour
December 7, 2008, 02:11 AM
I'd chose the PF-9, my P32 has been an excellent piece!

weregunner
December 7, 2008, 02:59 AM
I have the PT111 Mil/Pro. 2nd generation at that. It's giving sterling service and has not on hiccup with anything I've fed it.

Here's the scoop on the PF-9
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7065.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=8801.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7225.0

Taurus PT111 Mil/pro

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=8921.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7866.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6716.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6715.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7538.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7443.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7288.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=12121.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2075.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=10038.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=723.0

Both guns are good examples by their respective makers.

However both have enough differences to need to take a hard look at.

If you want an easy to carry, ammo count is not an issue, then go with the Kel-tec. Size does count. The Keltec would be easier to hide for CCW being a single stack pistol ad carrying less rounds. Might be that ammo count is not such as serious matter or that extra ammo is easy to hide and carry to the Keltec.

On the other hand, while the Taurus PT111 Mil/Pro is a bit thicker the round count is that of being a 12 +1 shot snubbie. One spare magazine and the count doubles as it were to the rounds on tap if needed. Most gun fights for civilians are not high round count fights. Then again one cannot now how many rounds are going to be used in the upcoming fight if it happens.

Better to have more ammo and not need it than need it and not have it.

Here's the other thing. Which of the two guns fits you, your grip, and your niche better?

Handle both models and fire them both if you can. There will be a bit more recoil with the PF-9. Granted, this might not be an issue for you. Just something to consider.

Personally, the PT111 Mil/pro fit my hands better than the other compact pistols on the market and shooting it was easier than with other brands.

Function has been excellent with the PT111 and it's handled 115gr.,124gr., 145gr. ( Russian ammo), and 147 FMJ and JHPs that have been fed to it.

So this is a personal choice and what fits you more tha anything else.

While my bias and experience are with the Taurus PT111 Mil/Pro, the Keltec might be the ticket.

Either will serve you well.

kokapelli
December 7, 2008, 09:17 AM
I had a PT111 and a PF9, but got rid of both after I purchased a PM9.

IMO the PM9 is head and shoulders above the PT111 and the PF9.

I didn't really have any problems with the PT111, just didn't like the feel of the gun.

The PF9 was so loose and sloppy I felt it wouldn't last long.

For me the PM9 out shoots either of the other two and it's smooth as glass trigger is in another class.

By the way, my PT111 was not DA/SA, it was SA/DA. Once a round was chambered my PT111 was cocked in single action mode and would only go DA if there was a FTF.

hadmanysons
December 7, 2008, 10:22 PM
I had a Kel-Tec P11 and hated that damn thing. The trigger was a fight every time and had about ten feet of travel, the tiny grip would leave almost two finger hanging of the bottom, had no safety cause it was double-action only and would fail to feed about once every two magazines.

Sold it for a taurus PT-111 Millenium Pro and love it, by comparison. Way easier on the trigger, holds two more rounds and is just way easier to operate.

I've heard Taurus was crap, after buying it of course, but love this thing. I've never had any issue's whatsoever with it. I've also heard that Taurus has been stepping up their game lately. I really don't like kel-tec, really!

OKgetdown
December 8, 2008, 05:45 AM
Get the Taurus over the KT.

7Star
December 9, 2008, 11:15 PM
Thanks everyone. I've decided to go pick up the Millennium Pro as soon as I get an evening free this week. The only thing I'm still struggling with is maybe getting the 40sw instead of the 9mm. Have to think about that one....

weregunner
December 10, 2008, 07:35 PM
This is on the PT140 :
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=11991.msg135462#msg135462

There is the Taurus 24/7 compact that is a direct cousin to the PT140. Just a bit newer in design. The 24/7 compact is a bit more slim and compact compared to the PT140, but which fits you better and your needs is the issue. Go with which ever one you want.

If you wind up getting something else no problem. What fits you and your needs is what counts. Nothing else matters.

Respecting others and their choices should be a matter of fact. Not something to be discarded on the trash heap when convienent.

ecureed
December 10, 2008, 08:20 PM
The PF-9 is by far the more comfortable and easier to conceal. However, my PT111 was a machine, never a malfunction. Owned both, but PF9 is now my carry gun and the Taurus is now my dad's truck gun.

Mak92fs
December 11, 2008, 09:46 AM
Ive got a PT111 pro and i love it...the straight eight sites kinda got to me at first but tritnums were only like 90 bucks recoil is soft the grips arnt bad with a unkle mikes handall jr. and taurus 24/7 9mm magazines fit in it so you get 17+1 instead of 12

7Star
December 15, 2008, 01:24 AM
The one I was looking at was gone. I actually ended up "ordering" the 9mm 12round PT-111 Pro, matte stainless. Struggled with buying the matte stainless over the blue for CCW. I usually like the blue for carry...but this should be good for an occasional carry for me. I'm a new fan of the snub lately.

7Star
February 20, 2009, 03:55 PM
It has been a long time.. but I thought I'd post a follow-up. I recieved my new PT-111 millenium pro, actually in the blue finish, with three 12 round magazines. Right now I have it in an old Desantis... Stealth.. I think it is called holster.

The pistol took me a little to get used to as I am mostly used to shooting my makarov. It is almost the same exact size side by side.. but the angle of the grip is a bit different and somehow makes the Taurus more concealable for me...at about 2:30..the grip doesn't stick out.

Like I said...it took me a couple trips to the range to get a feel for it. The barrel length is shorter than I am used to ....but now I am improving greatly. Still not as accurate as I am with the Makarov...but I'm working on it.

I had an old box of Remington UMC 115gr FMJ sitting around ( I wasn't using because..well...it just isn't worth much in my opinion...it is just begging to jam up your weapins).

I haven't bought another type of cheaper ammo for it but I will soon..and it will be much better than this stuff... but I also have burnt through my supply of about 8 boxes 115grn Winchester Silvertip and a couple boxes of 124 grn Hydrashocks I picked up off my buddy at the range. I think the 124 is about as big as is reccomended in the manual...have to check on that one.

Anyway, that's about 550 rounds or more... I had two failure to feeds..one on the first mag 11th round fired...with the remingington jam rounds. Not a surprise. No other problems as I worked my way through the box though...all with the same mag. In the next 500rounds... I had one other..that honestly I have to attribute to a lazy rack.

All and all...the 3rd generation taurus millenium pro is for me the best subcompact for the money...that I can get a full grip on. It cost me $309 holds 13 rounds and has more little safety features than most. I like the space when it is locked back, the yellow follower and the little red sliver of a line you can see when there is one in the chamber. The longer trigger..along with the shorter barrel made accuarcy an issue for me initially..but like any change...I gave it some time and multiple multiple days...and have seen remarkable improvement. I still hear some people saying Taurus makes crap pistols....and I hope these people keep talking so the price stays lower. The only negative I have with this pistol is the magazine, on the 12 rd, seems to have a little side to side play...just a tiny bit. But, I haven't noticed or thought about it in weeks. GREAT GUN!! Go and buy one...if you know what you are ordering..a black moderate/light weight pistol with a longer trigger pull...and like this type of pistol..you'll love it. I do...especially for just over 300 online

wherestheham
February 21, 2009, 04:22 PM
+1 on the PF-9http://www.freewebs.com/wherestheham/P1030597.JPG

7Star
February 27, 2009, 11:27 AM
The PF-9 is nice....and is that also the taurus i see in the background?

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