Skip the XD45c for a P229 .40?


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Agent-J
December 7, 2008, 12:33 AM
I ordered an XD45c from my local shop a few weeks ago and there's no sign it is coming in anytime soon. They have a P229 .40 in stock and I'm thinking I might skip the XD and get the Sig.

Would this be a crazy idea?

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Gary in Pennsylvania
December 7, 2008, 08:17 AM
Though it sucks to wait.......I wouldn't forgo the XD for the Sig.

I have an XD45 Tactical and LOOOOOVE it! I see myself getting a compact or sub compact sometime down the road.

I feel you're paying a lot of unnecessary additional $$$ for the NAME when you buy a Sig.

Regardless, the XD is worth the wait!

Marcus L.
December 7, 2008, 08:51 AM
I'd take a proven police and military pistol any day(P229 in .40S&W).

FBI Handgun Tests of 1993:
Out of 15(5 pistols per model) different .40S&W handgun models, only the Glock 22 and Sig P229 passed.

ICE Handgun Tests of 2000:
Out of 9(5 pistols per model) different .40S&W handgun models, only the Beretta 96 and the Sig P229 passed.

Department of Homeland Security Handgun Tests of 2002:
Out of around 20(5 pistols per model) different .40S&W handgun models, only the Sig P229 and H&K USP passed the testing. The new Springfield XD did not pass.

Department of Defense Handgun Testing of 2005:
Out of 12(5 pistols per model) different .40S&W handgun models, only the Sig P229 passed the testing. The Springfield XD did not pass.


Most of these tests involve high round count marathons from 10k-50k rounds with full power, duty/defensive ammunition usually with the higher recoiling grain weight. Reliability, durability, lifespan, accuracy, and consistancy are just some of the factors taken into account. Environmental factors such as sand, water, heat, freezing, and other pressures are put onto the pistols and they are fired to not only determine reliability, but consistant accuracy after having the barrel to slide lockup caked with dust.

Get the Sig P229, it will serve you well.

PAPACHUCK
December 7, 2008, 09:15 AM
I own a Sig P229, the finest handgun I've ever owned, shot, or handled. It fits me like a glove, is much more accurate than I can shoot, and has been 100% since round #one. I've shot a Sig P220 that was as sweet as my P229, so I believe this is probably the case with all the metal frame Sigs.
I have shot 1911's, H&K's, and other fine weapons, but the Sig still reigns as king, to me.

I also have a XD45 Tactical. It is a big gun, that holds 14 230gr HP's, and will deliver them in one ragged hole if you do your part. It, too, has been 100% since round one. I trust my XD as much as Sig or my Glock to work when needed.

I think you will be well served with either brand, but with your two choices of calibers, I'd hold out for the 45. YMMV.


BTW, you'll wind up having each one anyway, so it's just which comes first!

Agent-J
December 7, 2008, 10:53 AM
well i might just go get both ;)

now the question would be... order the 9mm version or get the instock .40 version...

Marcus L.
December 7, 2008, 11:13 AM
now the question would be... order the 9mm version or get the instock .40 version...

Either or, depending on your caliber preference. If you go 9mm, you can get aftermarket MecGar 15rds magazines for the P229 9mm.

benderx4
December 7, 2008, 11:21 AM
Without a doubt, hold out for the XD45. IMHO, best value out there currently in a 45.

As for the Sig, if you can get used to the trigger and the control locations, it's a fine weapon. There are many choices out there right now of hot SD 9mm rounds that can compete balistically with the .40SW. And Walmart WWB is cheap and great for practice. Personally, I'd go with the 9mm for those reasons. (I know it's hard to wait, but there's a reason the shop still has a .40 and not a 9mm.)

420Stainless
December 7, 2008, 11:33 AM
I own a 229 and I've shot the XD45 compact. I like the SIG, but if the XD had been around when I bought it, I might have chosen the XD instead. Despite the fatter round, the XD actually has a slimmer feel to the grip, which I prefer.

Both are similar as far as weight, concealability, capacity, etc. I would chose the one that fits better. For me and my stubby fingers, that is the XD.

The SIG is more aesthetically pleasing in my judgement though.:rolleyes:

Marcus L.
December 7, 2008, 12:06 PM
There are many choices out there right now of hot SD 9mm rounds that can compete balistically with the .40SW.

Ballistics aren't as important as what the bullet actually does to the intended target. When it comes to physical damage to the target, the .40S&W is superior.

Winchester Ranger Bonded loads. 9mm 147gr and .40S&W 180gr were adopted for use by the FBI in 2007 and 2008:

FBI Test Protocol:
Bare Gelatin = covered with T-shirt, Shot at 10ft
Denim = 4 layers shot at 10ft
Heavy Clothing = shot at 10ft
Steel = 2 pieces of 20 gauge, shot at 10ft
Wallboard = 2 pieces of 1/2" gypsum board, shot at 10ft
Plywood = 1 piece of 3/4" AA fir plywood, shot at 10ft
Automobile Glass = 1 piece of 1/4" laminated safety glass set at a 45 degree angle with an offset of 15 degrees, shot at 10ft

9mm+P 124gr(1180fps)BONDED: (Penetration/Expansion)
Bare Gel: 12.6/.68
Through Denim: 18.7/.54
Through Heavy Cloth: 18.2/.56
Through Wallboard: 11.9/.64
Through Plywood: 15.8/.57
Through Steel: 22/.42
Through Auto Glass: 12.7/.58

9mm 147gr(995)BONDED: (Penetration/Expansion)
Bare Gel: 14.7/.62
Through Denim: 16.5/.59
Through Heavy Cloth: 15.8/.58
Through Wallboard: 16.7/.56
Through Plywood: 16.5/.59
Through Steel: 19/.42
Through Auto Glass: 12.6/.55

.40S&W 180gr(1070fps)BONDED: (Penetration/Expansion)
Bare Gel: 14.8/.67
Through Denim: 21.8/.51
Through Heavy Cloth: 19/.59
Through Wallboard: 16.7/.61
Through Plywood: 15.5/.62
Through Steel: 14.8/.55
Through Auto Glass: 12.4/.63

Provided that you can shoot the .40 as accurately AND RAPIDLY as you shoot the 9mm, you gain an advantage in using .40 over 9mm. If you are better with 9mm, then stick with it.

chihuahuatn
December 7, 2008, 12:33 PM
Marcus L.
post is dead on,

I have them both, excellent guns.......however the P229 .40 is one of the finest guns I own in my collection. Go with the Sig !

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