Ranier 151 gr. quetion


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bebop4212000
December 7, 2008, 10:16 AM
I am new at this. I just bought some Ranier 151 gr. copper plated bullets in 356 diameter at a show. The guy told me they were 9mm bullets. I cannot find any powder charge info for this weight and size. I have a Lee press with Lee 9mm dies. I am using W231 powder. Can you guys recommend a powder charge and also can I load these for my .38 special?

Thanks

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bullseye308
December 7, 2008, 11:12 AM
Find a powder charge for a bullet in the 147gr range and use that data. Probably would not work very well in a 38 as you would have lots of blowby and loss of velocity/accuracy.

Galil5.56
December 7, 2008, 11:15 AM
I have old Speer published data for 160 lead bullets, and it shows 3.3 grains of HP38 (identical to WW231) as max, and I'm not seeing data at Hodgdon or my old WW manuals for what you want. I would see if you could find some 147 grain lead data, and go slightly lower on the start and max as your guide.

IMO, if given a choice I would not go much below Unique in burning rate for 147's. I know others have had great results with Bullseye, Titegroup, etc, but I like a more moderate speed for 9mm, especially if I were to go with weights way out of what it was historically loaded with.

As far as .356" in 38 Special, I would think your results will be poor... For my 9mm pistols .356" is too small, and even .358" for lead (or plated) for my S&W model 60 is as small as I like to go. Maybe load a few and see how it goes, but don't be surprised if you see keyholes and loose fit in the case.

Jim Watson
December 7, 2008, 11:35 AM
The guy lied.

Those bullets are for .38 Super. To make them work in 9mm you should use a STARTING load for a 147 gr jacketed bullet and seat the 151s to where they will just chamber freely. Their nose shape is such that they may have to be seated pretty deep, making it important to not push the powder charge.

They won't work in .38 Special unless you have an unusually tight sizing die and expander to give a tight case neck fit on the .356" bullet. You should not hard crimp a plated bullet because it will cut the plating and cause leading and miserable accuracy.

Walkalong
December 7, 2008, 05:23 PM
Maybe he was just ignorant Jim, but he did mislead the OP for sure. :scrutiny:

And Jim is right, don't just use top 147 Gr data for 151's.

Ranier Bullets (http://www.rainierballistics.com/mainframe.htm) Click on the "Lead safe bullets list" gold rectangle on the left.

Galil5.56
December 7, 2008, 05:54 PM
I dug up my Ranier data sheet, and they spec 3.7 grains max of WW231 for their 147 grain bullets for 890 fps @ 33,700. As I mentioned earlier, back the start and max down a bit minding proper OAL (longest your pistol will allow) for the application.

Not really anything exotic, as 158 grain 9mm loads from Israel, Serbia, and Fiocchi are easy enough to get. Although not my bag, reloading 151 grain bullets should be easy as any other if precautions are maintained.

Walkalong
December 7, 2008, 09:55 PM
From the old Ranier data from Accurate.

147 Gr RN in 9MM @ 1.140 O.A.L. - WSP Primer

AA #2 - 3.0 to 3.3 - 853

AA #5 - 4.0 to 4.4 - 874

AA #7 - 5.1 to 5.7 - 892

147 Gr HP in 9MM @ 1.140 O.A.L. - WSP Primer

AA #2 - 3.4 to 3.8 - 931

AA #5 - 5.1 to 5.7 - 1017

AA #7 - 5.9 to 6.6 - 1015

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151 Gr in .38 Super, not 9MM @ 1.280 O.A.L.

AA #2 - 4.4 to 4.9 - 1043

AA #5 - 5.7 to 6.3 - 1083

AA # 7 - 7.7 to 8.6 - 1145

AA #9 - 8.9 to 9.9 - 1086

Use at your own risk as you see fit.

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Copied and pasted from old Midway Ranier data.

9mm 147grTRN Ctg.
OverallLength 1.169" Case Remington
Gun Universal Receiver Max Case Length .754"
Barrel H-S Precision test barrel Trim to Length .744"
Length 4" with 1:10" twist MAX OAL 1.169"
Primer Winchester small pistol Max. Avg. Pressure 35,000 PSI Max OAL

147 grFMJ/RN
Alliant Blue Dot 5.0 757 21,300 Alliant Blue Dot 6.1 932 26,800 1.169
Alliant Unique 3.5 783 23,000 Alliant Unique 4.5 980 33,900
Hodgdon HS-6 4.2 723 20,300 Hodgdon HS-6 5.6 978 32,000
Hodgdon HS-7 4.3 667 18,400 Hodgdon HS-7 6.0 962 34,000
IMR SR7625 3.0 676 18,600 IMR SR7625 4.3 928 31,100
Winchester 231 2.2 541 15,500 Winchester 231 3.7 892 33,700

9mm 147gr HP Ctg.
Overall Length 1.169" Case Remington
Gun Universal receiver Max Case Length .754"
Barrel H-S Precision test barrel Trim to Length .744"
Length 4" with 1:10" twist MAX OAL 1.169"
Primer Winchester small pistol Max. Avg. Pressure 35,000 PSI

147 gr JHP
Alliant Blue Dot 5.0 740 20,700 Alliant Blue Dot 6.1 960 28,000
Alliant Unique 3.5 817 24,300 Alliant Unique 4.4 961 32,200
Hodgdon HS-6 4.2 723 19,700 Hodgdon HS-6 5.6 979 33,900
Hodgdon HS-7 4.4 693 19,700 Hodgdon HS-7 6.0 947 33,300
IMR SR7625 3.0 660 17,900 IMR SR7625 4.5 959 33,900
Winchester 231 2.2 515 15.600 Winchester 231 3.7 890 33,700

Use at your own risk as you see fit.

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