(2400) in 44 Spl


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kwhi43@kc.rr.com
December 7, 2008, 07:02 PM
Could anyone tell me about what the velocity be with 20 grs 2400 and the
200 gr. JHP in say a 3 inch 44 mag gun. This would be loaded in 44 spl brass.

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rcmodel
December 7, 2008, 07:26 PM
About 1,100 probably.

But it is way over .44 Spl. pressure limits in todays brave new world.

Why not use .44 Mag brass, and be safe?

Someone could stick one of your .44 Spl hot-loads in an old .44 Spl. and possibly blow themselves up!

rcmodel

30Cal
December 8, 2008, 01:05 AM
Would a 44Mag cylinder even hold up to that? Big reduction in case volume=big pressure.

Gewehr98
December 8, 2008, 02:24 AM
I could see somebody stuffing those loads in something like a S&W 696 and having a really bad day. :(

Oro
December 8, 2008, 08:46 AM
It's not just the length of the brass that's different between special and magnum cases - the brass is stronger in the web area to handle the higher pressure. I would only do that load in a .44 mag case.

I thought the limit for 2400 in .44 spcl. was given as around 16 grs but do NOT take that as a guide - I don't have the particular manual I am thinking of in hand (Speer #8) to check my memory. And that was considered an "agressive" manual for data. 20grs. could be a real problem. Don't put anything in a .44 spcl. case that exceeds the upper limit of .44 spcl. pressure, even if you are shooting it in a .44 magnum. The gun can take it, but the cases very well might not.

Case in point -the "hot" .38 "high velocity" rounds that came out in the '30s for S&W large frame revolvers were not loaded in .38 special cases. They had their own beefed-up, specially marked cases, even though they were externally of identical dimensions.

Walkalong
December 8, 2008, 08:55 AM
Why not use .44 Mag brass, and be safe?Good advise.

wcwhitey
December 8, 2008, 08:04 PM
+2 on the .44 Mag Brass!

Oro
December 8, 2008, 09:50 PM
Or use a max load of 16.0 gr. in the .44 spcl. brass. That was the max pressure listing I found in Speer #8 for a 225gr. jacketed (no 200gr jacketed data - and do not use 200gr lead data - lead and jacketed bullet data are not interchangeable at the same weight).

Even 16.0 gr. of 2400 was delivering 1,150 fps at that charge with a 225 gr. jacketed bullet (6" S&W 27 was the test bed). Estimate 950 to 1000 for your 3" gun. That would be an outstanding SD round, and very, very similar to what I carry in my 3" .44 mag for SD.

I'd still want to load it in .44mag brass to eliminate the nasty powder ring you will get at the front of your chamber - they are both hard to clean and interfere with .44 mag cases if you try to use them before a through cleaning after shooting the shorter special cases.

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