About the Glock 17 phenomena....


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UKCPO
December 7, 2008, 07:17 PM
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jocko
December 7, 2008, 07:19 PM
go bang every damn time, end of story.


point, game, match!!

The Lone Haranguer
December 7, 2008, 07:22 PM
If low price were the only criteria, why not take it to its logical conclusion and buy a Hi-Point? ;) Glock makes a good gun, period. It is reliable (by far the most important), durable, reasonably accurate and easy to learn to shoot.

GTSteve03
December 7, 2008, 07:24 PM
When I finally sat down and completely detail-stripped my Glock 17, I couldn't believe how simple it was. It was exactly like my AK in that it only consisted of a few parts and it has been utterly reliable.

I believe that this simplicity combined with reliability is what makes it so popular. To continue the AK analogy, the AK is neither the most accurate nor comfortable rifle, but due to its simplicity, reliability and relative inexpense, it remains globally popular.

CountGlockula
December 7, 2008, 07:37 PM
Hello and welcome aboard!

My question is this, is the cheap price the only main reason for this piece being so popular? Or is it the factor that you may feel they are more reliable than say a HK, Sig or CZ 75/85 even?

I'd say both. As for a quality and reliable pistol, the price is very reasonable that it enables me to purchase multiple Glocks. I honestly can't believe that such a great gun can go as low as $450 brand new here in the US. As for reliability with the other brands...it's a toss up between personal experience. As for myself, my Glocks haven't had any issues.

Thanks for the pics!

earlthegoat2
December 7, 2008, 07:38 PM
They are accurate enough, they shoot always, they dont feel good but good enough, they are fugly, they are inexpensive.

Cost benefit analysis of most people puts Glocks high.

michiganfan
December 7, 2008, 07:44 PM
I love em because they are pull fom holster point and shoot.

cbrgator
December 7, 2008, 07:45 PM
I got the glock because it was the cheapest option of all of the ultra-reliable pistols. I had been to numerous gun shops in different parts of the state on my quest for my first pistol and everywhere I went and everybody I spoke to said good things, so I didn't feel like I was missing out on quality getting the cheaper gun. I also noticed that more guys that work in gun shops carry a glock than anything else. That may not be true everywhere, but that's what I saw.
I'm a best-bang-for-the-buck kind of shopper. That's why I have a Glock, Stag AR, Stevens 200, and Savage Mark II. I consider each of them the best dollar for dollar weapon in their respective category.

jocko
December 7, 2008, 08:31 PM
always hated the word cheap when used as a criteria to buy a glock etc. Kinda denotes not worth a darn. I like the best buy and bang for a dollar spent better.

UKCPO
December 7, 2008, 08:34 PM
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mljdeckard
December 7, 2008, 08:48 PM
I consider them to be idiot and abuse proof. I'm not saying it's impossible to ruin one, but it's harder to destroy one than just about any other pistol.

Other pistols, if I were to buy them used, I would want a smith to look them over first. With a Glock, I do a function check, and call it good. If I HAD to get a gun RIGHT NOW, without time to test it and decide if it's ok, it would be a Glock, every time.

Having said that, I do not currently own one.

JBP55
December 7, 2008, 09:37 PM
Because the Toyota is more reliable than a Ferrari.

RogersPrecision
December 7, 2008, 09:55 PM
Light,
accurate,
reliable,
durable,
high capacity.
inexpensive.
:)

basicblur
December 7, 2008, 10:08 PM
I just needed to know from Americans why they love them so much.

Guess it’s time for me to crap in the sandbox, eh? :D

This ‘Merican has no love for ‘em-‘course, I don’t dislike ‘em either (I’m a pragmatist, which puts me at odds with the majority of the population). They’re fine weapons, but not the end-all as some make ‘em out to be. They have warts/advantages/disadvantages like ‘bout all makes/models, but I’m sure you already know that.
Grip angle never worked for me, so I’ve never really considered ‘em, although it looks like by process of elimination, I may possibly end up with a G20 since it looks like we’ll soon be able to CC in National Parks, and the G20 sounds like the best available choice of a semi-auto for use against large 4-legged critters.

To answer your original question, from what I’ve followed over the years, Glock offered excellent deals to law enforcement agencies (low bidder, dochaknow), thus getting a BIG foot in the door. Once a large number of agencies had ‘em, lots of folks had to have ‘em ‘cause that’s what the (insert favorite law enforcement agency here) carries! 'Course, the saturation of the LE market spilled over into the movies/TV/pop-thug culture, and there ya go!

Now before ya go flaming, I know that doesn't apply to a lot of Glock owners, but for a lot of 'em, it appears it did.

Personally, I prefer the XD line (as well as HK USPC and a couple of SIG's).

Newton
December 7, 2008, 11:13 PM
Absolutely reliable, rock solid construction, doesn't rust, consistent trigger pull, easy to maintain, lots of customization options, high capacity, accurate.

Apart from that they stink.

Without wanting to start the usual flame war, I read an article recently that was written by one of the Thunder Ranch instructors, and his comment was that the only gun able to keep up with the Glocks in their training classes were well tuned 1911s.

ReadyontheRight
December 7, 2008, 11:34 PM
I think it's that the trigger is a great compromise. It's not a long, clunky DAO and it's not a hair-trigger single-action.

It's a semi-auto many people can shoot safely and accurately without having to remember anything other than the trigger. (AND watching out the recoil doesn't bite the hand of first-time shooters!:eek:).

Lightweight, reliable, holds a lot of rounds, consistent trigger. I don't think the price has very much to do with the popularity of the Glock in the USA.

tnieto2004
December 7, 2008, 11:50 PM
They are solid and go BANG. They are easy to take apart. That is why I love them.

Snarlingiron
December 8, 2008, 12:00 AM
Dead nuts reliable.
Dead nuts reliable when full of mud.
Dead nuts reliable when wet.
Dead nuts simple.
No de-cocker.
No external safety lever.
No grip safety.
1 trigger pull.
requires little maintenance.
When required, maintenance is easy and cheap.
Parts are readily available, cheap and seldom needed.
Highly accurate. If you aren't shooting them as accurately, that's more than likely the operator, not the weapon.

I like 'em, can you tell?

Riss
December 8, 2008, 12:04 AM
Shot many Glocks for the past 16 years. Still have my issues with them BUT, if you want to know what my favorite go to gun is. A Glock 35 IPSC L-10 gun with a really big magwell. Can shoot the thing for 1000 rounds or more before it needs a cleaning. And rarely ever jams up, no FTE's and no FTF's. Try that with a $3000 custom 1911.

JoeSlomo
December 8, 2008, 12:05 AM
1. Inexpensive and affordable to the masses.
2. Reliable.
3. Low maintenance and rugged design.
4. High capacity magazines.
5. Easy to operate, just load, point, shoot.
6. Accurate enough.


I got rid of my glock a long, long, time ago as the fit and trigger were not for me. I'm a 1911 devotee, but do respect a good firearm, and glock IS a good firearm.

Onmilo
December 8, 2008, 12:16 AM
The Glock is a phenomena, no doubt.
The Glock handgun revolutionized modern handgun design proving that simple designs using modern materials could successfully replace the iconic and brilliant handgun designs of the second world war.

While the CZ75, the Smith and Wesson Model 59, and the Beretta 92 preceded the Glock, all were basic copies of exsisting designs with the most important offering being a larger capacity magazine and even that was old school copying and revamping of the FN P35 magazine.

The Glock was completely new and showed the way towards modern handgun and even rifle designs.

It is just as important a design as the Browning/Colt 1911.

kmrcstintn
December 8, 2008, 12:22 AM
hard to say if there is just one reason; I like them and dislike them at the same time; I like the ease of use, reliability, accuracy, and plethora of accessories available; I dislike the grip angle & no restrike capability on nonignited primers

swwyo
December 8, 2008, 12:22 AM
Here we go again, my gun is better than yours and no decent elite superman would ever use a gun that the common peasant would. Why would I carry a Glock that same weapon your typical flat foot beat cop would carry when I am Navy Seal, Delta, or some other fantasy Hollywood superhero. Well to answer that question heres what Glock can do.

Mass issue - I can take twenty Glocks, break them down to the smallest piece, through all the parts in a plastic bag, shake it up, put all the guns together with mismatched parts and they will all work. And on top of this I can do all this in under 20 minutes. That means simple fix.

Reliability - I have carried Glocks through rivers, lakes, and in the Ocean (ocean has to do with sea kaiak adventure, just learning) . A moment of stupidity (no sleep for several days) caused me to leave one on a tire and get it ran over by a Suburban, other than a few scuffs still works perfect. I pull the trigger and it goes bang, EVERY time.

Super magazines - Yes at $15 a pop, now $19 for LE, you can bounce them off cement, through them, kick them, and just plain don't take care of them, and they work and work and work. And when just as all mags fail, you toss them and get another for only $19.

Super tough finish - I have a Glock, not as beautiful as some of the closet queens we see, it has been used, and carried, dropped (yes it happens), and as said before ran over, and just plain neglected at times, and not one ounce of rust to be found anywhere. Sure the parkerizing that makes it look all black and new is wearing off over the tenifer finish yet it is still protected by that super hard finish.

Really good customer service - lose a little part, need some new spring cups, striker spring etc., call factory rep on cell phone, parts dropped shipped, in gun next day. Without argument there customer service to law enforcement is better than any other company I have worked with.

Cost - no, just cause it is the least expensive, does not always make things crap. If you believe this you are a car salesman's dream. Why do so many law enforcement agencies cary them, well when working with tax dollars, why not buy something that works for less, so you don't look like an idiot having to replace everything a year down the road. Cause you know someone is going to say, Why didn't we just get Glocks? You can also get officers armorer certified in one day.

Simplicity - key to survival, pull gun from holster, aim, pull trigger. Yes I know this does not include, clear front sight picture, proper sight alignment and smooth trigger press, although that applies to every handgun.

Great trigger - yes it acts like a 2 stage with take up, although it is no double to single like you get in a lot of other combat handguns. The first trigger pull is the same as the last. And one thing I can say, if you think the trigger sucks on a Glock, then learn trigger reset so you are using it proper, before you past judgement.

I know some self made fantasy football elitist always steer clear of the common mans gun, in fear they may be mistaken for common. Although I can say without a doubt, I own Sig, HK, Colt, Smith, CZ, Beretta, and I carry a Glock by choice. Need we say more.

westpoint64
December 8, 2008, 12:52 AM
The G17 was the "foot in the door".
But, really, the G22 .40 caliber was the door, the gun that "made" Glock with US law enforcement. Coming out as it did at the time when American law enforcement was still transitioning from revolvers, it offered many agencies a compromise pistol they could live with- a gun that had the same round capacity as 9mm pistols but was a larger caliber pistol with better perceived stopping power. (And after the FBI shootout, there was a good bit of concern about 9mm stopping power here).
The .40 Smith and Wesson cartridge simply took American law enforcement by storm in the 1990s. Probably no other handgun cartridge in the 20th century was ever as quickly wanted and accepted. The FBI wanted it and many agencies wanted it. Glock was the very first manufacturer to offer American law enforcement a .40, and they offered them a gun that could continually hold up under the high pressures and stout pounding of the .40 cartridge.
This, as much as anything, explains why Glock got such a huge market share of the lawman market and why the rest of the public followed.

legion3
December 8, 2008, 01:47 AM
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/GLOCKTEN.jpg

legion3
December 8, 2008, 01:48 AM
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden1.jpg

rfurtkamp
December 8, 2008, 01:54 AM
I own a G17, partly to have one and partly because the newer frames with the finger-molded(or in my case, finger-annoying) grips don't fit at all and I found a good deal on a pre-rail, pre-stupid grip one a few years back.

It rarely gets shot. I hate the trigger, there's no pride in ownership , and I prefer other platforms far better.

If I needed to equip a large number of people with < $400 sidearms (bulk cost), it'd probably work out just fine - but frankly, I'd much rather bring my Sig 226s. I shoot them far, far, better. I don't worry about parts or breakage, I haven't an issue in huge round counts out of mine.

The only negative really I have to say about my Sigs by comparison is the finish on the stamped-slide era guns, mine is worn off in huge sections where it contacts the body after 12 hour days and all formerly sharp edges are 100% smooth. My primary, however, has over 100k through it, and will be retired soon for another one.

As somebody not constrained to department policies, client whims, or budget that only allows for polymer guns, I just can't find a reason to pick a Glock personally except to have one in the stable to be familiar with how it shoots and operates.

bhhacker
December 8, 2008, 03:05 AM
Im thinking about picking up a glock just because of the overwhelming reports of reliability. If the SHTF I'd like to have a weapon that will take a lot of abuse. I'm sure my STI Spartan will take a beating but will it still function after being thrown out of an airplane? I uh...dont have the money to throw it away so I guess ill never know :P

UKCPO
December 8, 2008, 05:56 AM
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North of 49th
December 8, 2008, 11:12 AM
All I can say is that which has been repeated here many times... reliable, accurate, tough as nails, and generally good guns. Also I must say that it amuses me to no end how every time a thread like this comes out we see how many people have something good to say about Glock despite the fact that they say they would never buy one and generally hate them. Also I must say that I am glad this did not degenerate into a dick-swinging contest between "1911 people" and "Glock people"

P.S. We Canadians enjoy our Glocks too.

Snarlingiron
December 8, 2008, 11:56 AM
Also I must say that I am glad this did not degenerate into a dick-swinging contest between "1911 people" and "Glock people"


The fat lady ain't sung yet.

GregGry
December 8, 2008, 12:55 PM
This is what I don't get. I have shot a 3/4 inch 12 round group at 21 feet with my friends glock 17, 100% stock. How is this just "accurate enough"? Accuracy with pistols has more to do with the shooter then it does the gun.

ReadyontheRight
December 8, 2008, 01:04 PM
Also I must say that I am glad this did not degenerate into a ...contest between "1911 people" and "Glock people"

I think that's because so many people (like me) like and shoot them both.

ReadyontheRight
December 8, 2008, 01:05 PM
Nice pic legion3! From the picture properties, are those ladies Swedish?:)

UKCPO
December 8, 2008, 01:08 PM
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CountGlockula
December 8, 2008, 04:13 PM
UKCPO, since you shared your Glock I'll share my Glock .40S&W 35 and 23...in OD Green:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/IMGP0027.jpg

The Olive Drab Green Glocks are available in the US only, but I've heard that some European countries have them too. Have you seen any in your parts my friend?

swwyo
December 8, 2008, 04:47 PM
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[quote]Here we go again, my gun is better than yours and no decent elite superman would ever use a gun that the common peasant would. Why would I carry a Glock that same weapon your typical flat foot beat cop would carry when I am Navy Seal, Delta, or some other fantasy Hollywood superhero. [END QUOTE]
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"Why would you even say that It was never about that, there your words not mine. Why so cynical That aside the rest of your responce was great, thanks.
Anyways thanks again to every one for your views, very interesting and i fully understand your passion. Thankyou again.":

UKCPO - Sorry somedays I suffer from foot in mouth, or in this case foot in keyboard maybe. The quote you highlighted was not directed towards your thread, it was directed towards an earlier post. I read my post and the meaning does sound different than the way I wanted it to read so for that I am sorry. Glock good or bad, when your popular your open to a lot of criticism and I feel that a lot of criticism it takes many times is not justified. One of these is the belief that most agencies that equip them only purchase them because they are the lowest bidder. That was suggested by an earlier post, all I was trying to say in my post (trying to be sarcastic not cynical) is this is not the case. So please forgive me for my sharp words and lack of proof reading. :confused:

JImbothefiveth
December 8, 2008, 04:56 PM
Basicly, they're like a higher-capacity revolver with a nicer trigger, and are only slightly less reliable.

UKCPO
December 8, 2008, 05:06 PM
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seeker_two
December 8, 2008, 05:13 PM
Reliable, simple, easy to maintain....that makes Glocks OK in my book.....

....too bad that they aren't as pretty as Rugers.... :D

UKCPO
December 8, 2008, 05:37 PM
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CoRoMo
December 8, 2008, 05:48 PM
Glock would just be another Hi-Point had it not been such a revolutionary design and so reliable. My uncle (border guard) competes in the World Police & Fireman Games and has the awards to prove what Glock lovers proclaim. I do agree that they are not pretty to look at, but I'm sure an owner is like a mother. Their babies are never ugly.
A Glock 17L is coming up on my list... after a few higher priority guns.

GregGry
December 9, 2008, 01:52 AM
GREGGRY, lets put that into perspective, 21 feet equates to just 6 meters. I find that its the greater distances like 15,20,and 25 meters were the Glocks grouping (fan spread) is not as tight as say the H&K.
Next try your friends 17 again at greater distances other than 6 meters. Then if you have the opportunity try another weapon like the Sig,H&K ect, and see if you can get the groupings is the same.

I have shot a glock 17 at 25 yards and its easily capable of a 5 inch group with a moderate shooter. Sure I can shoot my CZ sp01 at longer range more accurately, but for self defense and combat shooting a glock is way more accurate then the shooter.

Rubber_Duck
December 9, 2008, 03:18 AM
I'm a 1911 fan, but I like the Glock 19.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=88946&stc=1&d=1228807057

Ignition Override
December 9, 2008, 05:05 AM
legion3:

The language by the grenade launcher poster is either Danish or Swedish.

Does Sweden still export many Bofors cannons?

legion3
December 9, 2008, 08:26 AM
These fine soldiers are Swedes. As to Swedens armaments industry and exportation I cannot tell you what they are willing to ship to an FFL ;)
but I can say if the Glock is good enough for these soldiers...its good enough for me.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/2e240h2.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden4.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden3.jpg

simple_rule
December 9, 2008, 01:57 PM
mmm attractive ladies, eh??

also, need i mention glock 17's shoot the cheapest, nastiest ammo without a hith?

seeker_two
December 11, 2008, 04:21 PM
also, need i mention glock 17's shoot the cheapest, nastiest ammo without a hith?

Your Glock has a lisp..... :D

DawgFvr
December 11, 2008, 05:05 PM
Simple, accurate, reliable...draw, point shoot. One excellent weapon.

Glock 17 is my issue weapon. I was so impressed with it that I now carry a Glock 26 as my CCW. My .45 ACP has been relegated to home defense and sits on the night stand. My .357 mag revolver has been relegated to field/woods work/play.

Mike OTDP
December 11, 2008, 05:30 PM
I have one issue with a Glock. The grip angle does NOT fit my hand. 1911s are OK (with a straight backstrap), SIGs are OK. Glocks point high.

Otherwise, I'd buy one.

VegasOPM
December 11, 2008, 05:42 PM
There is nothing more satisfying than taking a $400 G17 with $100 worth of mods, using 10 round mags- and spanking guys shooting $3000 race guns in a match. :neener:

They work- love them or hate them. Go to the IDPA Nationals or the USPSA Production Nationals. You will see a lot of Glocks. Most of these guys can afford any gun they want- but a huge chunk shoot Glocks.

greyeyezz
December 11, 2008, 06:42 PM
I hate to bash my beloved P229 but it balances like a boat anchor compared to my G32. :uhoh:

PhillyGlocker
December 11, 2008, 09:58 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Only Moses can say it best!

BamaHoosier
December 11, 2008, 11:56 PM
I've had my 19 since they first came out way back when.It's never let me down once and simple to maintain;what every gun SHOULD be:D!

ecureed
December 12, 2008, 12:19 AM
also, need i mention glock 17's shoot the cheapest, nastiest ammo without a hith?

Your Glock has a lisp.....

now that's funny!!

mordechaianiliewicz
December 12, 2008, 05:38 PM
legion3:

Between Moses Heston bringing down the commandments as regards Glocks, and the daughters of Vikings (including a gorgeous redhead) using them.... I'd have to say you sold me.

(Actually, I've had a Glock and sold it, and probably will buy another before it's all said and done. However, I have NEVER liked 1911s.)

Saabman
December 16, 2008, 11:20 AM
As a veteran of the S.E. Asia deal I was a true 1911 man. and at my local range a fellow shooter let me try his G-17 9mm. not bad. found a like new g-21 45 acp well if im going to get a Glock .I might as well get one in 45 acp. Its one awsome pistol I shot it so good the frist timed out I was amazed at how well I could shoot it even with my ball hand loads. so with the G-21 I now have a G-17 9mm , G-30 45 acp, G-31 357 sig, G-20 10mm. G-35 40S&W & 357 sig A total of six so I guess I have been swayed to the dark side.

Weedmonk
December 16, 2008, 09:07 PM
It took me quite a while to even consider buying a Glock. Today, out of many other alternatives in my safe that contains Colt 1911s, Browning Hi-Powers, Sigs, Berettas, S&Ws, and Springfields, my G26 and G19 are my preferred handguns for concealed carry. I like the G19 so much, I bought a spare in case something happens to the one is use.

CPshooter
December 17, 2008, 08:28 AM
I love my 19. Now I just need to get a digital camera so I can create some real Glock p0rn. The iPhone camera doesn't cut it...

My favorite handguns are Glocks and 1911s. (I know..I know..:))
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n106/TonyG749/photo-31.jpg

legion3
December 17, 2008, 08:57 AM
My favorite handguns are Glocks and 1911s.



:confused: :uhoh: :what: :barf: ;)

Browns Fan
December 18, 2008, 01:52 PM
Sarah Conner and Carmen carry Glocks. What better endorsement could you hope for?;)

John Wayne
December 18, 2008, 02:22 PM
They go BANG every time!

Yup, sure do :D

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/blowup_images/glock4.jpg

regal
December 19, 2008, 12:25 PM
That last picture make me want to sell my new G17, should have just stuck with a J-frame revolver.

Ken Rainey
December 19, 2008, 03:08 PM
C'mon now regal, John Wayne's picture shows a blown cartridge case and the damage it did to a Glock pistol....so, was it an over charged hand loaded cartridge possibly in worn out brass, did the shooter use lead bullet ammo and not clean his barrel as needed, or any combination of those, a faulty factory load, etc, etc???....any gun can be damaged with bad ammunition. I can't tell by looking but I'm gonna guess that the one pictured is a .40 ... absolutely no room at all for error in those cartridge cases....I've seen factory loaded ones blow the case heads off....just another reason I don't like the .40 S&W cartridge....:uhoh:

Anyway, an over charged .38 in your J Frame would look just as bad...a G17 is one of the toughest 9's I know of...but if you really want to sell yours, shoot me an email....I'll take it off your hands to protect you...:D

swwyo
December 19, 2008, 10:35 PM
Why is it when we see pictures of blown up glocks, they never show the whole gun. Not starting an argument but I would like to see what the rest of the gun looks like. Make sure your not hiding a bulge in the barrel from a squib round. Especially considering the catastrophic failure occurred in the chamber, and when you consider the company that makes the barrel for the glock also makes them for other companies like HK. So in this case if the glock is junk, from that standpoint you better make that statement about a few other coveted guns.

seeker_two
December 23, 2008, 09:24 AM
I always thought it odd that the only Glocks you ever hear about KB'ing were the early .40S&W models....never the 9mm's, .45ACP's, or even the 10mm's....and you don't hear about KB's with the later model .40S&W's or even the .357SIG's....or even the small 10mm..... :scrutiny:

Whatever design flaws were in the early .40's seems to be resolved now....and, since I don't care for the .40S&W, I wouldn't hesitate to own and fire one repeatedly in 9mm, .45ACP, or even 10mm...IMHO, those are the good ones.... :D

Hk Dan
December 23, 2008, 11:09 AM
Nah, Seeker, I compete with a G35 in USPSA and I have 50,000 rounds or better out of them. I reload from them and for them--no issues. I agree that the early G22s had an issue, but it's been all but invisible for years (until some yahoo needs a picture of a blowed up GLOCK, anyway) <g>

And man, DOES IT feel good when you beat a race gun with your GLOCK? Yes, yes it does. :)

Dan

ZO6Vettever
December 24, 2008, 11:07 AM
I bought a Sigma, I know what you're thinking, cheap Glock clone. I had some light strikes and had to send it back to S&W. If they didn't get it right a Glock was in my future but they worked wonders with it, eats anything and the trigger is much better. I'm very happy with it now but Glock's do rock!

Macchina
December 24, 2008, 11:12 AM
I find it weird that every time you see a picture of a blown up Glock, the Glock fanboys are always so fast to defend the Glock. Without any evidence of what caused that explosion, many people gave reasons of why it isn't the Glock's fault.

was it an over charged hand loaded cartridge possibly in worn out brass, did the shooter use lead bullet ammo and not clean his barrel as needed, or any combination of those, a faulty factory load, etc, etc???

Not starting an argument but I would like to see what the rest of the gun looks like. Make sure your not hiding a bulge in the barrel from a squib round. Especially considering the catastrophic failure occurred in the chamber

Whatever design flaws were in the early .40's seems to be resolved now....

Panic! Panic! Panic!

Ken Rainey
December 24, 2008, 01:56 PM
Just being fair and balanced...."without any evidence of what caused that explosion" - EXACTLY...the poster of the blown Glock was implying by posting the photo without any details that it was the Glocks fault....the "fanboys" as you call us, are simply presenting possibly "the rest of the story"......what is strange is that you evidently get this by saying there was no evidence, but you still want to imply that us Glock fans are just being fanatical by responding ???? ... actually, we're just trying to make sure that someone reading this doesn't take it at face value without knowing other possible causes...part of being on The High Road...;)


MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL...

Ken

swwyo
December 28, 2008, 08:50 AM
Mr. Michaelmcgo, it isn't a panic issue as much as a search for the truth. Does the Glock have flaws? yes it does, all man made things do. And until the Heavens deliver us a handgun every pistol in existence will have a weakness of some sort. The Glock argument almost reminds me of my friends arguing in grade school over Chevy v. Ford, and they would always take the side of whatever there dad owned.

On the other hand some people seek these forums for an expansion of there knowledge, and this purpose is quickly defeated by those who seek it for a malicious posting because I think my Ford is better than your Chevy.

All I am saying in my earlier post is those pictures would not stand up in court. And yes I am going to question them because after having handled several Glocks that suffered catastrophic failure "yes I know it happens" All of the one's I have handled have failed because of 1. a squib round, or 2. use of lead ammo. I know there are also other causes.

The issue being is simple, I shoot a Glock, I also sleep at night. I would like to know my pistol is safe, knowing what I know from actual experience - it is extremely safe!

Pointing this obvious fact out isn't panic it's the truth.

punkndisorderly
December 28, 2008, 11:20 AM
Most Glock shooters have seen the pictures of Kabooms and have done their research. With one exception that I know of, all Glock Kabooms are due to one of three causes (or a combination of the three):

1) shooting cast lead reloads which tend to cause lead buildup quickly and increase pressures

2) over charged reloads or a squib round followed by a good one.

3) 40 S&W ammunition manufactured by Federal Cartridge Company prior to November 1995 (they have since changed their case design)

#1 can be "fixed" by going to a conventionally rifled aftermarket barrel.

#2 is a function of user error. The results would be the same in any other polymer pistol and in a 1911 (though less spectacular)

#3 is not an issue unless you plan on picking up 15 year old ammo at an estate sale.

When you consider the number of Glocks out there and the millions (billions?) of rounds fired through them, failures are pretty rare. Rarely does injury result (the only one I'm aware of was a seriously bruised hand.

I feel as safe shooting mine as I do any firearm. I've seen failures (on the internet) in most popular firearms from AR-15's and AK's to 1911's and USP's. It can happen, but usually there is some form of user error involved at some point.

ljnowell
December 28, 2008, 03:47 PM
I think its safe to say, judging by the split chamber, entire case destroyed, and primer blown out of its pocket that it was an overcharge or barrel obstruction. That would have happened to any gun in that situation.

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