Hi Point C9
December 8, 2008, 09:13 PM
Not many choices with those limitations.
December 8, 2008, 09:24 PM
i know,but theres bound to be something,i like the lcp,but im having doubts about the .380 round since i carry a ppk/s i want to move up to a 9mm,but i dont know,maybe ill just get an lcp,not sure,
December 8, 2008, 09:29 PM
You're not going to find one with those limitations. The power of the 9mm requires either a lot of slide mass, or a stiff recoil spring which must be changed often. Such is the case with the Rohrbaugh in which you have to replace the recoil spring every few hundred rounds.....oh, and you can't shoot +P ammo out of it either. It will cost you over $1000 for a Rohrbaugh. There's the new Boberg 9mm pistol, but it is still experimental and it also will run over $1000. Basically, in order to engineer such as small 9mm pistol and reliably deal with the recoil forces involved it takes some refined engineering which costs money and it won't be engineering with a lot of longevity.
Reasonably priced pocket pistols with reasonable expectations of durability, reliability, and longevity are limited to the .380acp or smaller. There are of course smaller revolvers or derringers which are much more reliable and durable in the small pistol format.
I generally don't go any smaller than my Sig P232 .380acp. It isn't as compact and light as the Ruger LCP, but it is a heck of a lot more reliable, durable, and accurate than the LCP. Mine has seen about 3000rds of practice ammo, and about 2000rds of full power duty ammo and it is still on it's original recoil spring. It's grip is also long enough to enable a good handhold which also translates into a more reliable auto pistol. If the pistol moves around in the hand too much or isn't very secure like a lot of pocket pistols, the recoil action of the pistol isn't as reliable and malfunctions do occur more easily.
With all the recalls and problems associated with the LCP at this time, I think you would be foolish to buy one.......at least right now.
December 8, 2008, 10:32 PM
basically your best bet is a kahr
The Lone Haranguer
December 8, 2008, 10:36 PM
It stretches the definition of "pocket" gun, but try the CZ RAMI. Other subcompact pistols like the H&K P2000SK, Walther P99 sub, Springfield XD sub, etc. could fit in a pocket (a large enough one, anyway) in a pinch.
im kinda looking for more of a "Sleeper auto"( one that isn't very popular)
:confused: Not that "unpopular" guns are necessarily bad, but your options for accessories (e.g., holsters) and spare parts are more limited.
December 8, 2008, 10:49 PM
I would highy reccommend a Kahr PM9. I have one, and several from my shooting club members have them. I use mine in a Alessi ankle holster, a DeSantis Mini-Slide holster or a Nemisis pocket holster. Very reliable and accurate pistol. I also have the P45 and love that one also.
Check one out. You can find a used one once and awhile.
December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
Well stated, Marcus L.
December 8, 2008, 11:19 PM
bersa 9. with your stipulations thats your best bet. imho bersa is probably the most underrated handgun on the market right now.
December 9, 2008, 07:55 AM
This past weekend I fired a .32NAA Guardian Produced by North American Arms. The .32NAA is a necked down .380 produced only by Car Bon at this time I am told. Nice looking, accurate, reliable, light (15oz) and in the $400 price range. I was looking for a replacement for my LCP:cuss::cuss::cuss:.
December 9, 2008, 08:44 AM
I know you're not looking for a terribly well known gun, but I might suggest a XD (i think it comes in subcompact for 9mm)
+1 for the Bersa 9mm Ultra Compact. I think it meets all your criteria. Also, to give reference,it'a actually 1/8" shorter overall than the Bersa Thunder 380
CALIBER: 9 MM
ACTION: Double Action
OVERALL LENGTH: 6.5"
BARREL LENGTH: 3.5"
WEIGHT: 24.5 oz
SIGHTS: White Outline Target Sight
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 10 Rounds
SAFETIES: Manual, Firing Pin
FINISH: Matte, Nickel, Stainless Steel
GRIPS: Anatomically Designed Polymer Grips
TRIGGER PULL: 8 to 13 lbs. Double Action / 5 to 7 lbs. Single Action
December 10, 2008, 04:45 PM
Astra A-75? I have two of them, in .40 and 9mm. You can find them on gunbroker.com for about $250 in like new condition. Solid steel, and great little guns.
December 10, 2008, 08:32 PM
hmmm guys im considering a S&W 6906/6904 or maybe a single stack S&W 3914/3913 im not sure but it seems those are what im looking into right now,i've held these before,i think they feel good,but thats me ,so thanks for all the help
December 10, 2008, 08:56 PM
well, i'm gonna have to add another +1 to the bersa 9... they make Phenomenal firearms!
Also check out sccy industries 9mm. Saw one a few weeks back at a show, and i hear they're great. i think it was 269, about the size of a kel tec
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