strange PM, could this be the ATF?


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yongxingfreesty
December 9, 2008, 03:38 AM
LOL at this PM, got it from rimfirecentral mailbox. i would scam him just for fun, but dont want to commit any fraud. man oh man, dont know how to play around with him.

Hey man I was wondering if you can help me out, i'm in california and their stupid laws wont allow me to buy high capacity mags for my 10.22. I saw your for sale add and u mentioned that u wont ship to ca, what can I do to get you to ship me a couple? I can pay you more, or whatever, please let me know, this law really blows and I go out shooting in the middle of no where so getting caught isn't an issue. Thanks, I have paypal ready.

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General Geoff
December 9, 2008, 03:43 AM
Doesn't seem likely, the ATF has no jurisdiction over enforcing a state law. Might be a california law enforcement agent though.

BlacklabelOP
December 9, 2008, 03:43 AM
Funny, And so sad at the same time..

yongxingfreesty
December 9, 2008, 03:46 AM
ahhh I see. let's see if he wants them at $1,000,000 a mag. HAHAH

Treo
December 9, 2008, 03:49 AM
You don't want to find out the hard way it isthe ATF do you ? I wouldn't play W/it

DeathByCactus
December 9, 2008, 03:55 AM
Ridiculous, I would pay it no mind. Reads out as sketch.

stv
December 9, 2008, 03:59 AM
Skip it. Entertaining, though.

steverjo
December 9, 2008, 05:02 AM
Whenever I have a yard sale, a L.A. County plainclothes sheriff detective comes around and asks if i have any knives, ammo, or guns for sale. I always say no, because i never do have any for sale. Just be careful when responding to messages like this.

Oro
December 9, 2008, 05:06 AM
Don't just skip it. Report it to the forum that you received it through so they can protect themselves against people trying to break the law, or induce others to do so. Forums work well so long as users self-police, and keep them from getting co-opted by irresponsible elements, or open themselves to criticism of illegality or improper use.

Be sure to report it. This person, if they aren't LE trolling, knows clearly it's illegal and is trying to bribe you to break the law. That's just wrong.

foghornl
December 9, 2008, 10:47 AM
3 word reply:

Bite my @@@

DirtyDUSN
December 9, 2008, 11:42 AM
Maybe he's KGB, hence the name, and is out in Cali lookin to overrun some goons and tryin to get them without LE knowing. joke.

leadcounsel
December 9, 2008, 11:48 AM
Looks very suspicous to me. All the markings of a set up. The small "harmless" caliber, the bride, etc.

I agree, don't play with it. Report it to the forum.

mbt2001
December 9, 2008, 11:50 AM
I was thinking it was the Brady Bunch... I am sure that have an "undercover agent" to show "how easy it is" to buy "high capacity killing devices".

harmonic
December 9, 2008, 11:57 AM
Well, since when did the 10/22 come under kal's AWB? I lived there till about 3 years ago and you could do anything to 22s that you wanted.

bdickens
December 9, 2008, 11:59 AM
How about a reply:

1) I won't sell to someone who is admitting to wanting to break the law.

2) I'm reporting this to the moderators.

3) I only sell to people who can demonstrate the proper use of English.

damien
December 9, 2008, 12:44 PM
If they guy cares so much about getting a couple of highcap magazines even at the risk of breaking the law, he would simply get them in Nevada, Utah, or Arizona. I think this guy is a state police officer or possibly a reporter or just an antigun activist looking for a story,

damien
December 9, 2008, 12:45 PM
Whenever I have a yard sale, a L.A. County plainclothes sheriff detective comes around and asks if i have any knives, ammo, or guns for sale. I always say no, because i never do have any for sale. Just be careful when responding to messages like this

What kind of knives would worry those folks? Aren't knives legal in LA, and without any type of license? One would think you would not be violating any kind of law selling ordinary knives.

Ron-Bon
December 9, 2008, 12:48 PM
LOL. They must think that we are really stupid. I'm glad to see that no one is ignorant to their devices

Eightball
December 9, 2008, 12:55 PM
How about a reply:

1) I won't sell to someone who is admitting to wanting to break the law.

2) I'm reporting this to the moderators.

3) I only sell to people who can demonstrate the proper use of English.Sounds like a plan to me :P

JImbothefiveth
December 9, 2008, 12:56 PM
It could very well be someone trying to get you to sell to him illegally. Don't do it.

mbt2001
December 9, 2008, 12:58 PM
Isn't their a law that makes it illegal for someone to try to induce another to break the law?

Just saying...

JImbothefiveth
December 9, 2008, 01:00 PM
Isn't their a law that makes it illegal for someone to try to induce another to break the law?

I'd wager it would fall under "conspiracy", but since undercover agents try to stop crimes, it wouldn't apply to them.

WardenWolf
December 9, 2008, 01:09 PM
That would be considered "entrapment". Any law enforcement or government official cannot outright ASK you to break the law. They can say stuff and let you fill in the blanks, but if they're ASKING you to break the law, it's entrapment and illegal.

However, I would still tell this guy to go to hell. Don't play with him, just tell him outright that you're NOT going to break the law for him.

kingpin008
December 9, 2008, 01:49 PM
How about a reply:

1) I won't sell to someone who is admitting to wanting to break the law.

2) I'm reporting this to the moderators.

3) I only sell to people who can demonstrate the proper use of English.

+1. I've gotten a few of these on various forums I'm a member of, and I always let them know that not only won't I play ball, but I'll also be notifying the Mods. Nine out of ten times, the person is running some sort of scam/trying to get people to break the law and are subsequently banned.

Kurt S.
December 9, 2008, 01:59 PM
Hey, yongxingfreesty. See if they have a members list on that forum and check out his previous posts.

And Google the name kgb_m3- might pick up a kind of cyber-profile there.

rcmodel
December 9, 2008, 02:13 PM
Not at all uncommon.

I used to sell a lot of gun parts on eBay before they became the gun anti-Christ.

I've had people from all over the world begging me to sell & ship them stuff that is illegal to export out of the country, and to countries we are actively fighting!

Your 1. 2. 3. response is the proper course of action!
Do it!

rcmodel

Funderb
December 9, 2008, 02:18 PM
don't be a jerk, just reinforce the severity of the punishment for being caught. Establish that you are not willing to go to prison.
Say no firmly, but politely.

bdickens
December 9, 2008, 02:32 PM
Hmmmmm....... Iiiiiiinntersting....
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=&fsdt=2969&q=kgb_m3&btnG=Google+Search

Funderb
December 9, 2008, 02:33 PM
^^ so he's a computer nerd.

moi_self26
December 9, 2008, 02:45 PM
I would simply reply

"Don't drop the soap, the proper authorities have been notified" :neener:

If he is for real, it may open his eyes to what consequences are at stake.
And if he's not for real, then you just got to thumb your nose at all of the anti's that think we are all just a bunch of retarded lunatics.

kingpin008
December 9, 2008, 05:47 PM
^^ so he's a computer nerd.

Also, don't assume that because a screen name pops up on a google search that it's the same person. I've tried to register at a number of different sites and forums with this nickname (one I try to use as often as I can) and it's already been taken. Just because the handle matches doesn't mean it's the same person.

Dday
December 10, 2008, 12:46 AM
Report it to the forum but also to LE in CA. Let them investigate and bust him. If he's a cop he'll likely get his butt kicked for attempting illegal entrapment.

Guy_With_A_Gun
December 10, 2008, 03:57 AM
I thought they could have high cap mags in Kommiefornia as long as they aren't for centerfires?

bdickens
December 10, 2008, 11:02 AM
Not just a computer nerd, but it looks like he's a gamer, into first-person shooter games. Probably lives at home in his parent's basement, works part-time at the mall and has never had a girlfriend.

chuckusaret
December 10, 2008, 11:39 AM
I received a telephone call recently an hour or so after I received a shipment of shotgun & pistol ammunition. The caller identified himself by name but not any agency and wanted to know why I was buying large quantities of ammo. With three double Vodka Tonics under my belt I suggested the part of my body he could kiss and hung up. I have never heard another word from the guy.

hankdatank1362
December 10, 2008, 11:43 AM
And he drives a VW rabbit.

Either this guy is for real and just misguided, or this is a Fed with the BEST COVER EVER.

Thin Black Line
December 10, 2008, 01:04 PM
I'm just going to quote myself:

Interesting how I keep hearing more and more about these things all of a
sudden and the new administration hasn't even taken their seats in the
buildings yet.

Yeah, just a coincidence...

SaltH2OHokie
December 10, 2008, 01:13 PM
A/K/A Tommy Chong is a "documentary" on Tommy Chong's federal bust. They used a very similar setup on there. A guy kept calling and trying to convince Tommy's bong company to sell him bongs in some locality where it is illegal to sell glassware like that.

I thought it was entrapment, but apparently not...Tommy went to federal prison.

Jorg Nysgerrig
December 10, 2008, 01:15 PM
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

And there's a whole lot of stupid out there.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
December 10, 2008, 01:20 PM
Tell em to take the drive to AZ and commit his own crimes.

BHP FAN
December 10, 2008, 01:40 PM
As someone [mbt 2001] already said,it sounds like a Brady bunch sting.Or maybe Geraldo.

ar10
December 10, 2008, 02:15 PM
Doesn't seem likely, the ATF has no jurisdiction over enforcing a state law. Might be a california law enforcement agent though.

You're right, BATF has no interest. It's Arnold you need to worry about.

jr45
December 10, 2008, 02:21 PM
I had something simular like this happen to me a few months ago on another board. I posted my Cobray PM-11 (knock-offs of the MACs) w/pics for sale and had some responses. One was from a guy who said he knew nothing of guns and in particular the PM-11. He then sent me several P.M.s asking the following:
Him:
-Does it fire from a closed or open bolt?
-Does it sometimes go full auto?
-You mentioned it comes with a barrel extention/fake suppressor. Does it reduce the noise and if so, what did you do to it to make it work?
-I live in MD and can drive down to VA to buy it from you.
Me:
-Fires from the closed bolt.
-Never fires full auto.
-Fake suppressor does not work...no modifications.
-You cannot buy directly from me since this is a pistol and you are not a VA resident. It would have to go through an FFL in MD.
Him:
-I did not know we had to live in the same state for FTF purchase. I am still interested. What would it take to get you to sell me the gun?

I stopped responding to his PMs after this.

Rob G
December 10, 2008, 02:25 PM
I hate to repeat something that's been said a bunch of times before...but here goes... It's really scary how many of these we're seeing crop up all of a sudden. I think gun owners need to be on our toes because either bad guys are spending more time online or cops are pushing harder to get us. I know which way I'm voting on that one.

Hoplophile
December 10, 2008, 02:32 PM
We ARE seeing more of these. It's not cops.

It's new, ignorant gun owners who don't know the laws. To them, "full auto conversion" and "The laws probably aren't very serious" mentalities are the order of the day. They don't obey the speed limit, why should they obey firearms laws? They don't understand that they're two VERY different beasts.

More people are buying guns, so more people asking how to do illegal things with guns should be no surprise.

TEDDY
December 10, 2008, 02:47 PM
its called dumbing down of americans.:rolleyes::uhoh:

esq_stu
December 10, 2008, 03:02 PM
I've had people reply to my Gunbroker and AuctionArms listings asking me to do those kinds of things. Not only that, but I've been asked to do face-to-face deals on handguns with people that are clearly not residents of my state. Just say no and then disconnect.

If it smells fishy, walk away. Don't look for a loophole or contorted interpretation of the law. Just walk.

gregormeister
December 10, 2008, 03:54 PM
I would tell him to get bent.....

JR47
December 10, 2008, 06:02 PM
Nobody has mentioned the obvious, an "investigative report" for one of the MSM. They'll troll the sites, asking people to do something, and then make it up to be a rampant problem.

The three statements were the best answer.

General Geoff
December 10, 2008, 06:08 PM
Him:
-I did not know we had to live in the same state for FTF purchase. I am still interested. What would it take to get you to sell me the gun?

I'd have replied with, "Your badge number."

LickitySplit
December 10, 2008, 09:43 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I refuse to take anyone seriously who uses "u" in place of "you". :rolleyes:

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