Savage Mark II .22 cal Rifle


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Spiderman1490
December 11, 2008, 10:04 PM
Hey i was wondering if anyone would be able to give me more ideas on why this gun only says to use .22 lr..why wouldn't i be able to use shorts? one guy i asked said the shorts would blow up in the chamber and hurt the gun. why would it do that? also whats the difference between the .22 LRs and .22 longs? thanks :)

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The Lone Haranguer
December 11, 2008, 10:53 PM
Hey i was wondering if anyone would be able to give me more ideas on why this gun only says to use .22 lr..why wouldn't i be able to use shorts?
Not familiar with this rifle. Does the owner's manual say this? What kind of action? If it is semi-automatic, Shorts will not cycle the action. If a bolt action, the short cartridges might not feed properly from the magazine. (this is just a guess)

one guy i asked said the shorts would blow up in the chamber and hurt the gun.
:scrutiny: I don't buy that. I think about the worst that could happen is fouling the chamber.

also whats the difference between the .22 LRs and .22 longs?
The Long Rifle (LR) has a longer, heavier bullet at higher pressure. Really a moot point, since .22 Long has not been made for many years.

Spiderman1490
December 11, 2008, 11:22 PM
it's bolt action and the .22 shorts go through the magazine just fine but i haven't shot them yet cause i don't wana hurt my gun lol it is engraved in the gun to use .22 lr ONLY. i'm new with owning and using a gun so i'm not all that educated on what can happen lol i also read on a forum that the .22 shorts dount give the proper seal and would blow up in the chamber...would they need a seal??

k9870
December 11, 2008, 11:25 PM
whats the point of 22 shorts? im getting a mark 2 soon, and shooting 22lr cause its cheap, but making a round weaker than a .22lr doesnt make sense...

The Lone Haranguer
December 11, 2008, 11:36 PM
There is utterly no point to using Shorts, anyway. If you're thinking Shorts are a less expensive alternative to Long Rifle, this is not true. If you want to shoot a milder round than the usual high-velocity LR loadings for whatever reason, you can get "target" or "standard-velocity" Long Rifle cartridges.

Spiderman1490
December 11, 2008, 11:37 PM
i have a box of .22 shorts that i found and i dont have a use for them right now lol

The Lone Haranguer
December 11, 2008, 11:44 PM
Buy a Beretta 950 "Minx" to shoot up your shorts in. :D

Spiderman1490
December 11, 2008, 11:46 PM
what about .17 hmr bullets? would i be able to shoot those with my rifle or would it be bad for it?

fireman 9731
December 11, 2008, 11:54 PM
:what:DO NOT SHOOT .17 HMR bullets in a .22!!!!!!!!!:what:

Spiderman1490
December 11, 2008, 11:57 PM
lol what gun shoots them then?

SGW42
December 12, 2008, 12:06 AM
.22 Shorts are handy if you have a tubular magazine - more capacity. One of my rifles also is strangely more accurate with them.

CCI still makes .22 Long, btw. I assume for the very vintage rifles that are not rated for the Long Rifle.

fireman 9731
December 12, 2008, 12:13 AM
.17 HMR rounds are meant to be shot in a .17 HMR chambered and barreled gun.
.17 HMR rounds have a smaller diameter bullet than a .22 caliber bullet. (.22 vs. .17) and a longer case. Not to mention much higher pressures!

they are no where near the same a .22LR.

ESV
December 12, 2008, 12:14 AM
lol what gun shoots them then?

A gun specifically chambered for .17 HMR ONLY

(edit: wrong caliber)

22-rimfire
December 12, 2008, 12:36 AM
Shorts will likely not feed from the magazine. You may shoot them "single shot". Great rifle.

22 Longs are still made by CCI. Shorts are available from CCI and Remington.

rangerruck
December 12, 2008, 02:18 AM
the short case, is waaaaay to short, proly won't even load in a autoloader, doubt it will work in a bolt either.
longs will work fine , but won't have enough oomph to operate a semiauto.
if you use longs, you may wanna make sure, the bullet left the bbl!!!!!
especially if you hear a squib fire.

rangerruck
December 12, 2008, 02:20 AM
hi speed shorts are as fast as standard, and some higher velocity long rifles, about 1000 fps. shorts are too cool for school, since if you have a boltie , with a tube fed, like a marlin 981, it will hold about 25 shorts at one time. how cool
is that?

gvnwst
December 12, 2008, 10:36 AM
The only reason it says ".22lr only" on the reciever is for legal issues. I have a MKII, it shots shorts, longs and long rifle fine. The tow first ones are just shorter, lower pressure versions of the LR. (actually, it is the other way around but whatever)
22-Rimfire is correct,, they won't feed from the mag, so i suggest just buying some subsonic .22lrs, nearly the same noise and feeds.

.17 HMR is based off of the .22 mag case, so it wouldn't fit in the chamber anyhow. The .17 HM2 on the other hand, is roughly based off of the .22lr case, and will fit and fire in a .22lr chamber. Wouldn't do much though....just "pop" and the bullet would be in your barrel, sitting there. Might have a hard time getting the case out, as it will be very split.

Vern Humphrey
December 12, 2008, 11:02 AM
The problem with shooting shorts is a buildup of fouling at the case mouth -- similar to that we see when shooting lots of .38 Specials in a .357. It's not a problem.

In the old days, before non-corrosive priming, there could be corrosion at the case mouth when shooting shorts, so when you tried longs or long rifles, the case would expand into the corroded area and be the very devil to get out.

woof
December 12, 2008, 11:45 AM
If you really have a need to shoot shorts you could load them single shot, or go ahead and load the mag - worst case would be a jam. I don't know what someone means when they talk about them blowing up in the chamber. All rounds "blow up" in the chamber, that's what it's for. The problem is when the wrong round is in the wrong chamber. Like a .17hmr in a .22.

35Rem
December 12, 2008, 01:24 PM
I have a Lakefield Mark II (Savage bought them, same gun) It feeds shorts fine from the mag, ejection is sometimes iffy, in that the spent case doesn't always exit the receiver, causing a jam. You have to pull the bolt back quickly, or tilt the gun to the side to get the spent case to clear.
Shorts are useful, so are longs, just not the high velocity stuff. You want the ones going about 700 fps or so. You get about that and the gun is louder. Same goes with the target-standard velocity- and subsonic stuff. It's noisier than the lower velocity stuff.
Good for the "covert operations" in the back yard after dark. Dang possums and 'dillers!

regal
December 12, 2008, 01:34 PM
I have this gun and plan on using the CB Longs that are very quiet. Would this be a problem?

The Lone Haranguer
December 12, 2008, 03:34 PM
what about .17 hmr bullets? would i be able to shoot those with my rifle or would it be bad for it?
:eek: :uhoh:

That would be bad ...

Vern Humphrey
December 12, 2008, 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by Spiderman1490
what about .17 hmr bullets? would i be able to shoot those with my rifle or would it be bad for it?

Trying to shoot .17" diameter bullets through a .22" diameter bore is not a good idea.:scrutiny:

ken22250
December 12, 2008, 04:52 PM
firstly, shorts wolnt hurt the action, ive shot many of them in my MKII savage, they just wolnt feed in the magazine, and a long uses a lighter bullet in the same case, but it is driven slower, and with less energy, just a waste of $$$.
ken

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