thinest and smallest CC pistol in 9mm or 40SW?


December 11, 2008, 10:46 PM
What's the smallest and thinest CC pistol in either 9mm or 40SW?

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December 11, 2008, 11:32 PM
Rohrbaugh in 9mm. Probably Kahr PM40 in .40.

December 11, 2008, 11:49 PM

December 12, 2008, 12:03 AM
You could get a glock 23 and a 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm mags plus ammo cheaper than just a rohrbaug.

December 12, 2008, 12:22 AM
Well you're a new member. I don't know if you're new to guns, but if you are the Rohrbaugh isn't the way to go IMHO. The Rohrbaugh is expesive and is not fun to practice with. Aside from that it is my understanding that they don't advise shooting it very often if you arn't going to replace the springs.
I would have to vote Kel-Tec PF9. Now I don't want to sound like a hypocrite but the truth is the PF9 isn't much fun to shoot either. You can't go wrong with it though. If you really hate it your only down $250 and can probably sell it for $225 pretty easily. Just my .02 Good luck

dogtown tom
December 12, 2008, 12:31 AM
Kahr PM9 for the win!:D:D:D

December 12, 2008, 12:57 AM
I've been studying this exact subject as of late. My Springfield XD-40 subcompact is too thick to be comfortable for me to conceal IWB (in waist band). Here's what you seem to be looking for: a 9mm or .40S&W single stack with thin profile grips. The Rohrbaugh has been mentioned, but last I checked, they run around $900-$1000, if you can find one. The Walther PPS 9mm is .91" wide at the thickest part of grip compared to about 1.25" for a Glock, XD, or 1911 with standard grip panels. The PPS doesn't excite me for some reason. It's not pretty to look at, and the ergonomics, especially the magazine release, look uncomfortable.

The Sig 239 is a single stack 9mm. It looks like heaven and probably shoots like heaven, too. But it's on the large side for a single stack. About 1.2" wide at the grip.

The thinnest 1911-style 9mm is the Springfield EMP, which is about 1.1" thick in the grip I think.

The new Kahr P380 measures less than .75" thick at the thickest part of the grip. But it's a .380. And those will probably be hard to find for a while until they are out for a while.

I've thought a lot about the Kahr PM and MK 9 and 40. I've never shot one. I've heard both good and bad things about them, with the majority been positive. If I ever get my hands on a PM9 to shoot and it proves reliable for me, I'd consider picking one up. They are in the same size league as the Ruger, Seecamp, Kel-Tec, etc. mouse guns.

Anyway, hope some of that helps or gives you some stuff to research. Kahr PM9, Walther PPS, Rohrbaugh R9, Springfield EMP, Sig 239, Kel-Tec PF-9. Start there.

December 12, 2008, 01:35 AM
I was just at the store checking out CCWs today.

The Glock 26 is a bit thinner--1.18". Yes, the PPS and all 9mm Kahrs are ~.90" and are nice and thin. However, the Kahrs have this huge, sharp slide release that juts out from the side and is completely out of place considering the otherwise sleek lines of the Kahrs.

I liked the PPS, but it seemed pricey compared to what you got (i.e., when compared the less expensive Glock). But I was very impressed with the Taurus Millenium Pro 111. It too is barely over an inch but had great ergonomics and is barely over $300. I also held a Kel-tec, but it was not in the same league as the other guns by any stretch--it would only be considered if I absolutely positively could not afford anything else.

The last .10th of an inch or so of grip size didn't really matter to me as much as the overall feel of the gun. So...I came away liking the Glock (also for the ability to buy a .22 slide for cheap practicing) altogether, but thinking about how tempting the Taurus was at its price.

I think the determining factor will be the status of my bank account on the day that I decide to buy.

December 12, 2008, 01:46 AM
O/J if you have occasion to head south a bit, the indoor range near here has all Kahr flavors in stock to rent.

That's where I learned that I couldn't live without them!

We're 180 miles south of the border in Chico.

December 12, 2008, 07:50 AM
If you don't want to spend the money for the Rohrbaugh, which is a very good gun, you could look at the Kel-Tec PF-9. I have one and it has been flawless. Not much bigger than the Rohrbaugh.

December 12, 2008, 12:35 PM
Go hold a walther PPS. It's like a credit card that goes BANG.

December 12, 2008, 01:32 PM
Id say any of the Kahrs. Much more concealable than the Glock SC and XD sc.

December 12, 2008, 06:39 PM
If you shoot the PM9 and the PF9, I'm sure you'll end up with a PM9, at least I did.

December 12, 2008, 06:50 PM
the PPS is thin, and shoots nice too!

December 13, 2008, 02:54 AM
Springfield EMP 1911 style 9mm. I love mine. Heck of a gun in a small package. Very concealable. I can't say enough good things about it. Probably my favorite sidearm ever (ok....a tie with my Sig P220)

December 13, 2008, 03:43 AM
Stick with a 9mm. The .40 is just too punishing in a tiny gun. If it isn't pleasant to shoot, you won't practice and you may pick up bad habits to boot.

I have the Kahr MK9 and love it, and it is extremely pleasant to shoot, but it is heavy for its small size.

You might look at the CW9 as well as the PF9 and the Walther PPS is certainly a candidate.

December 13, 2008, 04:00 AM
EMP 9mm

December 13, 2008, 06:36 AM
You could get a glock 23 and a 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm mags plus ammo cheaper than just a rohrbaug.

But you'd still be stuck with a Glock.:barf:

December 13, 2008, 10:42 AM
I got a Skyy 9mm. Good size for CC. Only set me back $270.

December 13, 2008, 06:14 PM
kahr and keltec are the smallest FUNCTIONAL ones i've found. the Rohrbaugh is definitely pricey and i'm not sure if it's worth it. if it's strictly for concealed carry i'd take the aforementioned 2 over glock and XD. i own all of them and they definitely carry very differently.

December 13, 2008, 06:32 PM
"The thinnest 1911-style 9mm is the Springfield EMP, which is about 1.1" thick in the grip I think. "

Nope, I don't think so.

The thinnest 1911 is the STI LS9

December 13, 2008, 06:45 PM
I have a PM40 which is easy to carry and fun to shoot. I don't object to the recoil, but it definitely gets your attention.

I've had it for about 5 years. I saw one today at the gun store for $800. I don't know if I'd pay that for it, however.

Geezer Glide
December 13, 2008, 08:19 PM
For about the same money, you could buy a Rohrbaugh or 4 PF-9's.

December 13, 2008, 08:40 PM

December 14, 2008, 08:53 AM
Hi Gunners,

I've got a Star BKM which is very flat, handles easily (even with my big hands), is light, and shoots to point of aim very well for a carry piece. Gotta' use ammo with a nicely rounded bullet shape or your aggressive hollow points will quickly dig gouges in the feed ramp impeding their use.

I've got mine loaded with either Glasers or BATs (European hotrod 9s which I've owned since the late 70s/ early 80s).

It's not tiny, like some of the new ultra 9mm packages; but, like I said; it works in my big hands.

Unfortunately, Star went belly up some years back. So, you've gotta' look for a pre-owned piece. For which, I am seeking, myself.

Just my opinion...but, I've handled a bunch of other tiny blasters which you really need a lot of practice to handle confidently.


Highland Ranger
December 14, 2008, 09:08 AM
Already been done, not sure when it was last updated though - but still good info:

Not sure if it is an optical illusion or not but the Rohrbaugh doesn't seem all that small.

I believe there is a dedicated forum for the gun. I also recall it being a machined work of art, but because of size, not something you'd shoot a thousand rounds a year through.

(where do I cast my vote for a j-frame?)

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