New M&P 45c excited, but also disappointed


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distra
December 11, 2008, 11:08 PM
Picked up a new M&P 45c (without mag safety or external safety) this week as a Christmas present and birthday present to myself. Pistol felt real nice in my hand and since I have a full sized 40, I thought I'd pick a nice compact 45 plus the 2 mag deal from S&W helped. Conceals very well in my Crossbreed Super Tuck. I have not shot it yet, which brings me to the disappointing part. I took it home and was going to field strip it before taking it to the range. If you know M&P's they have a sear disengagement lever in the sear block. So I rack the slide, push the lever down to disengage the sear to take the slide off and the disengagement lever fell out through the grip! :confused: Since there is no mag safety, I dry fired it to get the slide off and low and behold the sear disengagement lever and spring had no pin holding them in the sear block! :confused: I called S&W figuring they could just send me the pin and I could put it and be shooting this weekend. Well the good CS at S&W would not send me the pin, they want the pistol back so I'll be shipping it back this weekend. :( I guess I could make my own pin, but I should not have to on a new gun. I guess things can slip through the cracks, but this one is a little odd.


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CPshooter
December 12, 2008, 04:45 AM
That's weird, but I wouldn't worry about it if S&W is taking care of it.

I can understand your frustration, but S&W probably wants to look over the whole gun for YOUR safety. It will be worth it in the long-run. The hard part will be the wait! Good luck!

johnchamp
December 12, 2008, 05:19 AM
just my 2 cents but your not suppose to dry fire it. sorry im not being rude but your suppose to rack the slide and lock it back look down the mag well you will see a green piece of metal use a toothpick pull that down and after that you pull down the lever on the left side outside the frame and press down on the slide release and the slide comes off its that easy. hope this helps you and dont worry s&w will fix it for you they will get it right.

distra
December 12, 2008, 07:56 AM
...just my 2 cents but your not suppose to dry fire it.

Yep and there lies the problem. That little piece of metal that you are supposed to push down a toothpick or similar device fell right off the sear block and onto the kitchen counter. There was no other way to take the slide off, but to dry fire it. The pin that is supposed to hold that little lever in place is missing. Yes, the wait will be the hardest part. :(

IMTHDUKE
December 12, 2008, 09:01 AM
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!! That's not what you want when your excited about uncrating a new gun.

Radjxf
December 12, 2008, 12:26 PM
That certainly sucks, but don't despair!
The M&P may just be the best thing going in a polymer pistol IMHO.
The only downside is the trigger. However, they are VERY easily improved, even by the amateur gunsmith.
I've reduced my pull at least 2lbs, improved reset, and removed almost all trace of the former grittiness while retaining all safety functions.
Good luck, I'm confident SW will quickly take care of this.

Darth AkSarBen
December 12, 2008, 08:59 PM
642-1 do you ever dry fire your pistol?

sniper7369
December 12, 2008, 09:14 PM
Wow. You would have to unscrew me from the ceiling if I found something like that on a spanking new gun. :fire:
Personally I would have taken it back to the shop where I bought it and asked for another one. Hope you get it all sorted out man, that sucks. :(

distra
December 12, 2008, 10:46 PM
Personally I would have taken it back to the shop where I bought it and asked for another one. Hope you get it all sorted out man, that sucks

I wanted to do that, but this was the only one available. Either I wait for a new one to be shipped to the dealer or wait for S&W to fix it. I just have to be patient which is hard to do sometimes.:o I called other shops in the area and there's not a M&P45c to be found.

sniper7369
December 12, 2008, 10:55 PM
I wanted to do that, but this was the only one available. Either I wait for a new one to be shipped to the dealer or wait for S&W to fix it. I just have to be patient which is hard to do sometimes. I called other shops in the area and there's not a M&P45c to be found.
Ah, I see. Yeah, being patient when you want to get a new gun out to the range is a huge test. :o Sounds like you're handling it a lot better than I do. :D

franconialocal
December 13, 2008, 02:48 AM
Wow. Your guess is as good as mine. Interesting. The part I feel the worst about is that the dealer didn't have another one. You're not alone. I had to send my Walther P-22 back 3 TIMES before they finally got it right, and each time I got a slip saying "tested, passed". Who were they kidding?? The last time I actually had my buddy shoot a video of me that I sent in with the repair order so that Walther could really see what the problem was "first hand". Just a thought...

johnchamp
December 15, 2008, 05:04 AM
no sir i dont dry fire mine. the glock is the glock & the m&p is the m&p. sorry not trying to be rude but i read the directions.if not the toothpick you can use the tool that comes with the gun. i got rid of my m&p and went to the 5906 better gun a work horse.

Darth AkSarBen
December 15, 2008, 08:38 AM
Just curios, 642-1 about the M&P. I did not know if the instructions manual tell you not to dry fire the pistol. With the Taurus I have, a 24/7 Pro in .45 it is alright to dry fire, in fact, you cannot disassemble the pistol without dry firing it, or setting the internal safety lock on the side. To set the internal safety lock I have to remove the magazine, and any rounds, dry fire the pistol to release the tension of the striker, and then I can use the key to lock up the pistol. If you do it when the striker is in the cocked position you will damage the pistol. To disassemble, you must remove the magazine, make sure there is no bullets in the barrel, lock the slide back and remove the disassembly pin in the front and as your are taking the slide forward, you pull back on the trigger releasing the internal striker firing pin.

Just never had any experience with the M&P.

distra
December 15, 2008, 09:24 PM
The manual doesn't say you can not dry fire the M&P. Field stripping does not require dry firing since it has a sear disconnect lever that allows the striker to slide past the the sear. You rack the slide, check for clear, push the take down lever down, push down on the sear disconnect lever and the slide comes right off. My problem was the sear disconnect lever fell out without disengaging the sear therefore, the only way to get the slide off was to dry fire it. It seems the pin holding the lever in place was never installed in the sear block. This pistol has no mag safety so theoretically it could be taken down by dry firing, but the manual does not describe this method. I will hopefully get it back from S&W before I leave for Christmas.

johnchamp
December 16, 2008, 04:59 AM
Disregard!

distra
December 16, 2008, 09:20 PM
have a merry chrismas & happy newyear & your family maybe i will see you at sportsmens outpost in wolcott ct.

You too. I bought a Ruger Red Label from there last year. Nice people and took care of my FTF issues right away. Bit of a drive for me though since I'm in the Norwich area.

MT GUNNY
December 17, 2008, 12:44 AM
Just for info: You Don't have to manipulate the little lever to take the M&P apart. Treat it like a glock, clear, take down lever, pull trigger, PRESTO!

johnchamp
December 17, 2008, 05:10 AM
Disregard!

CPshooter
December 17, 2008, 06:57 AM
Wait, I'm not familiar with M&Ps at all as I've never owned one, but can you not dry fire these guns?

So if you dry fire it, you will break the gun's striker? That would not be very good if that is true.

firinginfenton
December 17, 2008, 08:31 PM
I just picked up an M&P 9mm Monday so this thread interested me.

I'm REAL sorry you had a problem right out of the box.

I bought my M&P because S&W has GREAT service and they took real good care of me on a revolver that "I screwed up!"

After I picked up my M&P I read the manual and did NOT see anything that stated "Do Not Dry Fire!".
I called S&W and they told me: "It's OK to dry fire the M&P".

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=13012&sectionId=10504#2

So I'll dry fire mine when ever I wish.

Please let us know how the defective M&P turns out.

Marshall
December 17, 2008, 10:25 PM
I'm a little disappointed to learn you have to carry a tool or a toothpick in order to field strip the gun. I'm not fond of that and it may keep me from buying one.

firinginfenton
December 18, 2008, 12:48 AM
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/how-to-field-strip-mandp-9mm/753810177

distra
December 18, 2008, 07:54 AM
+1 you don't need to carry anything. The palm swell is held in place by a pin that can be easily removed and used to disengage the sear. While I like my Glocks, I do wish I did not have to pull the trigger to strip it.

jon_in_wv
December 18, 2008, 06:07 PM
I would be patient. I've fired thousands of rounds through my M&P 9C and I love it. I just bought a HK P7 that may replace it as my daily carry piece but its a close call. The M&Ps are great shooters.

distra
December 22, 2008, 09:52 PM
UPS drove up this evening which is weird because I called S&W Thursday last week to make sure the pistol had not shipped over the holiday. They put a pin in and tested it. The bad part is due to holiday committments, I will not get to shoot it until next year. :( Maybe my two free mags will be here by then! :D S&W CS is top-of-the-line.

firinginfenton
December 22, 2008, 11:37 PM
Great news!:D
You bought it on 12/11/08 and it didn't work, you sent it back on the _______, and now on 12/22/08 it's back in your hands. Not bad.

Thanks for the update.

MikePGS
December 22, 2008, 11:45 PM
Yeah, thank you for the update :D

distra
December 22, 2008, 11:46 PM
Actually bought it 12/9/08 got the label 12/12/08 and sent it out that day, received it back on 12/22/08. You are correct 10 days door-to-door, not bad at all. Just too bad I'm so busy I can't shoot it before Christmas :( Oh well, it will give me something new to shoot after the new year! :D

distra
January 4, 2009, 09:19 PM
Finally made it to the range this morning. I must say this is a nice shooting compact pistol. Fits the hand well, shoots well with very little felt recoil. It is about the same size as my G36 and ate the Hornday XTP, Federal Hydro shocks and Speer Gold dots I fed it without a problem. I sent some of my own loads through it as well. It's a keeper. I can't wait to get my free mags :D

firinginfenton
January 4, 2009, 10:04 PM
Happy New Year and I'm glad it's working for you!

I like my M&P 9 so much I HAD to get a 9c as a back up. :)

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