Need reasons for CCW!!!!!


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clipse
September 22, 2003, 03:26 PM
I need to convince my wife that CCW is a good thing. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. We live in a rural community and she says,"I'll never happen here." :what: I keep telling her not to say that because those are famous last words.


Thanks,

clipse

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C.R.Sam
September 22, 2003, 03:31 PM
Evil happens in urban, suburban and rual places.

Farms have been invaded and families killed.
Just like downtown.

Sam

Hawkman
September 22, 2003, 03:38 PM
Have her read "In Cold Blood" by Truman Capote. True story of the Clutter family killings.

Rickstir
September 22, 2003, 03:41 PM
Hello fellow Missourian.

Ask her if she ever heard of methamphetamines. Bet she has. Guess where they are "cooked". Yes sir right in your backyard. And of course its nothing but the finest of civilization that fools with that stuff.

I live in the "country" too, six and a half miles from town. How long do you think it will take a deputy to get to your place? I'm hoping to get one here in 30 minutes.

I open carry everywhere I can now. Out here in the 'sticks" nobody even gives you a second glance. I'll be having my training soon and will be first in line at the courthouse on Oct. 11.

Better to have and not need.......

Senator Logan for governor!

Rickstir

Dave R
September 22, 2003, 03:49 PM
Might see if your county sheriff has any statistics on crime in your county, and/or neighboring counties. Your wife might be surprised to find that violent crime goes on there.

The best you can say about "it'll never happen here" is that "it hasn't happened here--yet". Always could.

dandean316
September 22, 2003, 03:49 PM
Stray dogs are a problem where I live. Since I've had my permit, I had two instances where I nearly fired.

Kind of a different angle for you.

AJ Dual
September 22, 2003, 03:55 PM
Rural means police response times can be measured in hours. You're on your own. (Forgetting for a moment that in the "minutes" for police responce in the city, a criminal could still have his way with you)

There have been cases, several in fact, where criminals target rural families on purpose for this very reason.

Although at the risk of sounding sexist, (it's not a "woman thing", it's an "anti thing"...)your wife's reaction is an emotional one, and it's quite possible that no amount of logic, facts, or pro-RKBA material will sway her. You'll need to make an emotional appeal.

i.e. if you get the argument that even her rape does not justify killing, do you have kids? Know a pro-RKBA woman who can help you? A "good mother" can protect her family, etc. etc. You need to find the emotional lever that will sway her, then once your position becomes her own, she'll be more than willing to absorb any facts or info that will help justify what has now become "her decision".

Perhaps the account of that pro-CCW legislator from Texas who's parents were killed at the Luby's resturaunt might help. Or maybe that Paxton Quigley book.

Kamicosmos
September 22, 2003, 03:57 PM
when I was house shopping, i ran across a website that would pull FBI and other local gov't stats for your zip code. it was very enlightening. It was interesting to me to see that just moving 5 miles away, the crime rates were halfed! Also, it was very surprising to see that the area I'm currently living in has a pretty high violent crime rate, ie Murders, rapes, muggings. Plus, some of the other stats were neat to see, like tax rates, income levels, ethic demographics, etc.

You may try just going to the FBI site...I believe the link I followed was off one of the real estate sites.

Does your wife allow loaded guns in the house for home defense? As in the gun in the nightstand, shotgun behind the bedroom door? If she agrees to that, then it doesn't make sense why she would be resistant to taking a gun along on errands. You may be able to work that angle. The odds of someone breaking into your house at night while you're there (living in the country) are probably slimmer than being mugged while in town!!

But the point is, crime will hit anyone at anytime at anywhere, best to be prepared.

Good Luck!

RWK
September 22, 2003, 04:01 PM
My – I trust very logical – outline follows:
1. The right of self-preservation (family and innocent defense, as well) is clear, well established, validated by history, and globally sanctioned by governments and religions.
2. In an ideal world, there would be no life-threatening violence; however, the facts demonstrate no perfect society has ever existed.
3. Societies and governments create laws – and law enforcement – to protect citizens.
4. But – with the exception of a very few individuals who have extensive, full-time, professional protection, such as the President and the Pope – law enforcement/security cannot be omnipresent.
5. Therefore, since society simply cannot protect us, we must protect ourselves; concealed weapons provide an efficient, effective, and safe way to do so.

Best regards – Roy

Sunray
September 22, 2003, 04:01 PM
"...read "In Cold Blood"..." Rent to movie too.

mete
September 22, 2003, 04:06 PM
Besides the courts have ruled that the police have the responsibility to protect society at large not the individuals ( I don't understand this !) Protect yourself don't assume others will do it for you .

Flashpoint
September 22, 2003, 04:10 PM
Do you ever travel to or through higher crime areas? if so there is a good starting point. My wife likes to go shopping in Memphis and Little Rock so I used that as a good starter reason.

Matthew_Q
September 22, 2003, 05:04 PM
"it'll never happen here"

I'm sure that's what every victim USED to say....

Andrew Rothman
September 22, 2003, 05:34 PM
What city/county do you live in?

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/01cius.htm

I see that, annually, one out of 407 rural residents of Missouri will be the victim of a violent crime.

Do you and the wife have another 40 years left in your life? If so, there's a one-in-five chance it'll be one of you. Got three kids? One chance in two.

Like those odds, honey?

hso
September 22, 2003, 05:35 PM
If you can be shot in front of your daughter at a lakeside boad ramp then there is no place that "it can't happen".

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40687&highlight=yeager

IAJack
September 22, 2003, 05:38 PM
yes tell her about the meth problems down there and up here, damn midwest is saturated with crank makers and junkies!

I have a buddy who is a former MO undercover drug agent, he has stories that would make you cringe and most of em are in pretty rural areas!

cslinger
September 22, 2003, 05:47 PM
Well then don't worry about seat belts since an accident probably won't occur and forget about buying a car with airbags, I mean if an accident does occur chances are it won't be bad enough for the airbags to go off. Don't need fire extinquishers for your house either since I have lived almost 30 years and can think of only one instance of any of the people I have known needing a fire extinquisher in their house.

Heck migh as well not even have 911 I mean chances are you will never actually have an emergency call to make.

Anti lock brakes.....just learn to drive better.

The packaging DVDs come in......oh way a minute we really don't need that. You need a buzz saw to get to it for God sakes.

Anyway the point is there are a lot of things that we all SHOULD HAVE like fire extinquishers, insurance, first aid kits, seat belts etc. that we very well may never NEED to use. Does that mean we shouldn't have them? Of course not.

Ringer
September 22, 2003, 06:19 PM
What worked for me was examples of incidents that occured close to home and that may have had a different outcome had an individual been armed with a weapon and the knoweldge to use it. My wife didn't really buy into the "it can happen anywhere" reason until she saw some actuall examples of bad stuff happening nearby. Of course we are in Metro Detroit, bad stuff happens everyday unfortunately, but closer to home and areas we visit than she realized.

XavierBreath
September 22, 2003, 06:33 PM
Every victim of crime thinks it will never happen to them before it happens to them. If that were not so, there would be very few victims of crime.

What are her reasons as to why you should NOT carry a pistol?

If all else fails, take her shooting and tell her it's for the big water moccasin you saw in the back yard yesterday.

10-Ring
September 22, 2003, 06:49 PM
Because being able to defend you & your loved ones is a right & not an option :)

Hot brass
September 22, 2003, 09:07 PM
Dad had a postr that read

Its better to have a gun and not need it,
Than to need a gun and not have it.

When I first went for my CCW the wife asked why do you need to carry a gun? I said to protect you and the kids. :)

cool45auto
September 22, 2003, 09:11 PM
If she's anything like my fiance she loves the Lifetime channel. There are always movies on there about rapes and murders. Yes, that can happen anywhere.

Hal
September 22, 2003, 10:45 PM
Copy what Sunray said...
Make it a double feature:
Rent "In Cold Blood" and "Helter Skelter"

chrisinmo
September 22, 2003, 10:47 PM
Clipse,

Here is one of my favorite analagies for "why do you need a gun". Do you have a fire extinguisher in your home? Have you ever needed it? I have one in my apartment and one in my Jeep. Thankfully I have never needed either one of them. I am not about to get rid of them based on teh fact that I have not needed them up to this point. If the time comes that I really do need them I will need them bad and the outcome of not having one maybe deadly. Pretty much the same thing with a a gun.

Good luck. If she is not convinced maybe she will "humor" you by allowing you to do what you feel is necessary to potect yourself and family and not make a big issue of it. Luby's cafateria is a prime example of the world being turned upside down and a totally unexpected event occurring out of nowhere.

duckfoot
September 23, 2003, 04:57 AM
You don't expect to have a flat tire, but I bet you have a spare tire somewhere in your car or truck.

Lots of farmers keep a least a .22 on the hip when out in the fields, you never know what you are going to run into out there.

It would take 12 min for the county mounty to get to the house, it take a bad guy 12 seconds to get through the front door.

Carrying a gun is like savings account, you may never have to use it, but life is better because you have it.

Actions speak louder than words!

Rather juged by 12 than carried by 6!!!

Carrying is not about death it's about your life!!

etc.......

Ala Dan
September 23, 2003, 05:09 AM
Just pick up a copy of any big city newspaper, and I
feel sure you will find more than one reason !:uhoh: :D
With drive by's, home invasion's, burglary of inhabited
dwelling's, etc. on the rise do I need to say more?

The best reason that CCW is a good thing is SELF
PRESERVATION.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

ojibweindian
September 23, 2003, 10:19 AM
Just get your CCW. Tell her if she doesn't like guns, then don't look at it.

I'm being serious, not coy. Sometimes doing the right thing means pissing people off.

clipse
September 23, 2003, 07:39 PM
Thanks to everyone. I appreciate it.


clipse

Jack19
September 23, 2003, 07:58 PM
I need to convince my wife that CCW is a good thing.

Hey, if you won't defend your own life...one generally deserves what one gets.

Cops are for toe tags and reports. Your life is YOUR responsibility.

BogBabe
September 23, 2003, 08:37 PM
Does your wife carry a cell phone when she's out and about running errands? You know, just in case?

Liberty Ship
September 23, 2003, 09:37 PM
Do a search on "Leonard Lake" and/or "Charles Ng."

Oh, heck. I'll do one for you. Print this and let her read it:

http://members.fortunecity.com/mastercrime/thecrimeweb/id21.html

(in case that's too long):

http://tinyurl.com/ofnb

Nuff said.

ARperson
September 23, 2003, 10:57 PM
I'd have to say you just do it anyway. Screw "convincing" her.

Reminds me of a guy I know whose wife is very afraid of firearms after seeing a relative shoot himself with one. He goes shooting with us all the time, but can't bring even a self defense weapong home to save her scrawy butt.

And then one night, the motion detectors of their fancy-schmancy new alarm system go off, indicating movement in the home. He grabs a knife and goes to investigate. Her response: "You can't go downstairs with just a knife!"

No kidding, woman! :banghead:

I keep thinking he just needs to do it and "be the man of the house" so to speak. But the other guys say he wants to stay married.

To a woman that doesn't let him defend his family? Why?

So my answer: just do it. She'll get over it.

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