transfering money for guns using a 3rd party.


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TAB
December 12, 2008, 11:20 PM
A freind of a relative has a gun I would like to buy, but he will only take cash. Its also just happend to be about 1500 miles from me.

Is it legal for my relative to pay for the gun + shipping to my FFL ( my relative never takes possession, just pays the guy and the ffl to ship it)then have me remburse him for what he put out?

If not would it be legal for me to wire him the money before had to do that?

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Ohio Gun Guy
December 12, 2008, 11:31 PM
Me thinks not a good plan.

Just wire the money and have it shipped to your FFL

TAB
December 12, 2008, 11:32 PM
The guy will only take cash. Even postal money orders are no good.

Daniel1120
December 12, 2008, 11:58 PM
Mail cash in biggest bills possible. Be sure to use thick black paper or something good to disguise the cash, you wouldn't want it to be stolen.

It sounds fishy that he only wants cash, how well do you trust this friend of a relative?

subknave
December 13, 2008, 12:10 AM
Well strictly speaking it wouldn't be illegal since he is sending it to your local FFL for transfer and he understands that you are buying it and not your relative. IF you trust your relative or they are willing to front you the money have the relative pay the cash and then do a bank wire transfer to the relatives account through your bank. My question would be why he only wants cash and can you make sure the gun isn't stolen.

GRIZ22
December 13, 2008, 12:13 AM
Is it legal for my relative to pay for the gun + shipping to my FFL ( my relative never takes possession, just pays the guy and the ffl to ship it)then have me remburse him for what he put out?


I'm not a lawyer but this seems okay because:

1. Your relative never takes possession of the gun.
2. The seller is giving possession to the FFL who's sending it. Nothing illegal here.
3. You will go through whatever you need to to get the gun transferred to you from the FFL.

There is nothing here that would constitute a straw purchase.

~Ace~
December 13, 2008, 12:16 AM
The Relative is just Delivering the $, not making a purchase.. Just like USPS, PP, UPS etc. they become a Carrier... The seller then ships to your FFL and your good to go.

NavyLCDR
December 14, 2008, 01:29 PM
There is nothing illegal about it. Straw purchases only involve making false statements to DEALERS either written on the 4473 or verbally. But that federal statute in 18 USC 922 is limited only to transactions with LICENSED DEALERS.

HexHead
December 15, 2008, 11:19 AM
You can just send your money to your relative, depending on the state laws about FTF private transactions he should be able to just pay the man and take the pistol and ship to your FFL.

It should be a "private transaction" between him and the seller.

Or the seller can just ship to your FFL if you trust the seller to do so.

JohnBT
December 15, 2008, 01:27 PM
"You can just send your money to your relative" "he should be able to just pay the man and take the pistol"

And that looks like a purchase using someone else's money. I wouldn't do it. There are better ways, as have been suggested.

John

NavyLCDR
December 15, 2008, 02:00 PM
And that looks like a purchase using someone else's money.

Which is NOT illegal in a private transaction.

JohnBT
December 15, 2008, 03:21 PM
Didn't say it was unlawful, did I?

I said I wouldn't do it.

See, with my luck the gun would be lost in the mail and - as the buyer who shipped it - I'd end up in the middle between the dealer(s) and the cops and insurance agents, etc.

John

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