How sturdy are glocks?


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DentThat
December 13, 2008, 11:43 PM
I just bought my first ever gun, a brand new Glock 19 :)

The next day, I went to the firing range with my friends. One of my friends was using my Glock and he jammed it! He said a brass got stuck and he needed to use his fingers to remove it. We believe the culprit was the bad used magazine

I'm sure everyone's heard how "perfect" Glocks are but I'm just anxious so is the Glock going to be OK? Are they built to handle jams?

It fired fine aftewards by the way

Thanks!

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Sunray
December 14, 2008, 12:00 AM
"...he jammed it..." He very likely did what is called 'limp wristing'. Too light of a grip and/or relaxing his hand too soon. Happens with any semi-auto pistol. The hand literally holds the frame in place while the slide recoils. Not holding the grip firmly doesn't provide enough resistance for the pistol to work properly.
All new firearms need to be cleaned before you shoot 'em for the first time. They come out of the factory with a rust preventer. Even Glocks. The barrel is steel. If you didn't give it a bath first, that might be the cause too.
Mind you, the ammo might have caused it. Not likely though. You need to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo your pistol will shoot best.

Agent-J
December 14, 2008, 12:00 AM
maybe he's a limp wristing sissy?

i'm pretty sure you could take 2 glocks, shoot one at the other, and it would still function np's.

Pulse
December 14, 2008, 12:07 AM
the phenomena you encountered is almost certainly "Limp Wristing"
below a link to the wiki article wich u found preaty good and explains how to possible fix it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limp_wristing

welcome to the wonderfull world of firearm ownership!

DentThat
December 14, 2008, 12:25 AM
welcome to the wonderfull world of firearm ownership! :D

Thanks for the responses and link :)

I sure did not clean it after buying it. Should I do it ASAP? And how do you go about a first clean?

DentThat
December 14, 2008, 12:26 AM
Does this limp-wristing jam cause any permanent damage? And 99% guns jam because the brass did not eject correctly, right?

Sorry for all these questions...

Agent-J
December 14, 2008, 12:33 AM
it only temporarily damages the shooters ego. your gun is fine and probably giggling at you too.

spyderdude
December 14, 2008, 12:52 AM
Limp wristing doesn't do any physical damage to the gun itself, but it would suck if it jammed during a life and death situation.

Welcome to firearm ownership! :)

mljdeckard
December 14, 2008, 01:00 AM
A few years ago I bought my dad a new pistol for father's day, and he wanted to shoot it right out of the box. I stopped him, asked him if he wasn't going to clean it first. He looked at me weird, and I realized, he'd never had a NEW new gun before. He's bought used from pawn shops and such. So we got a brush and some Hoppe's and cleaned it out, swabbed the barrel with some patches, and he realized it made sense not to scorch whatever preservative came in the barrel. No problem.

I DARE you to try to hurt that Glock. Good luck. I don't have one anymore, but it's not because I don't believe they are more or less indestructible. I mean, don't be silly, they can be killed, but I think you would have to get a little bit creative.

Sunray
December 14, 2008, 01:27 AM
"...Does this limp-wristing jam cause any permanent damage?..." Not at all. It's operator failure. No big deal. Think in terms of the slide needing some resistance to work properly. Your hand provides that resistance by holding the frame in place.
"...because the brass did not eject correctly..." Yes and no. A jam can be a feeding issue or an extraction/ejection issue. Feeding issues, ammo being stripped from the mag and sent into the chamber, are usually mag related. Extraction/ejection issues, the case being pulled out of the chamber and thrown out of the pistol, are usually ammo or dirt related.
"...how do you go about a first clean?..." Same way you normally clean it. Field strip and use a solvent and patches. Got a cleaning kit? A manual? Go here for a free, downloadable .pdf manual, if you don't. http://stevespages.com/pdf/glock.pdf
"...Should I do it ASAP?..." You really should clean it after every day at the range. It's not going to dissolve if you leave it for a few days though.
Cops that carry Glocks rarely do any regular maintenance. Worked in a gun shop, long ago, when cops, up here, still carried revolvers and were only allowed to change the grips. A plain clothes cop came in one day, went to unload to try a set of grips. His service revolver was rusted shut. A pair of 'em came in another time. One guy bought a set of grips. The other guy decided to try a set on his revolver. Reached for it only to find he had left it at home. Had the holster but no gun. His partner went ballistic. Most cops are good guys, but they regard their service piece as a piece of kit they're required to lug around. Most of 'em can't shoot worth beans either.
"...Sorry for all these questions..." No need to apologise. Shooters help new shooters regularly. Go join a shooting club. You'll meet some of the greatest people you'll ever know and most will bend over backwards to help you. Including letting you try their firearms. Belonging to a shooting club opens all kinds of other doors too.

CPshooter
December 14, 2008, 03:37 AM
I think he limp-wristed it..same thing happened with my Glock 19.

I've never experienced a single malfunction with it, but my girlfriend causes the thing to jam up whenever she tries to shoot it. The grip angle of the glock is a little different than most other guns, so if you aren't holding it properly and with even a decently firm grip, it can cause some problems.

In my hands my Glock is 100% reliable and I trust my life to it. In the hands of an inexperienced shooter or someone who can't grip the thing, it might not be. I've even tried to limp-wrist mine, and I can't do it. You're friend must not know how to shoot handguns because it shouldn't happen under normal circumstances.

DentThat
December 14, 2008, 04:21 AM
You're friend must not know how to shoot handguns because it shouldn't happen under normal circumstances.

My friend actually has fired a good number of handguns and automatics. That's why the limp-wrist explanation is a bit bizarre

We think it might be a faulty magazine. Could that be a reason? This magazine doesn't lock the slide once pulled back...but we did take the magazine apart and pulled the spring and now the magazine locks the slide

CPshooter
December 14, 2008, 05:26 AM
My friend actually has fired a good number of handguns and automatics. That's why the limp-wrist explanation is a bit bizarre

We think it might be a faulty magazine. Could that be a reason? This magazine doesn't lock the slide once pulled back...but we did take the magazine apart and pulled the spring and now the magazine locks the slideIf that's the case, then who knows? I had an XD 45. 4" back when they were first released and I had 2 FTF in the very first magazine I ever shot. That was the only failure I ever experienced with that gun. I was using WWB 230g FMJ. I use WWB with all my guns and use it exclusively for testing my handguns' reliability. If it can't shoot WWB without a single failure after the first two magazines, I'll sell the gun. Not a single hiccup in the next 1000 rounds or so before I sold it (for no good reason, too:().

Also, my cousin bought a Glock 19 and I was there the first time he shot it. He experienced a FTF (or maybe it was a FTE?) in the first magazine. That was it. Thousands of rounds later and still not a single FTF/FTE in his gun according to him.

Things like that happen sometimes. If it keeps happening AFTER the first few magazines, then we might have a problem. My advice is to go shoot it again, then worry about a potential problem. Good luck!

CPshooter
December 14, 2008, 05:33 AM
It fired fine aftewards by the wayDidn't even see that..that is the point I was trying to make. You're probably fine if it ran ok after your friend shot it.

I'm sure everyone's heard how "perfect" Glocks are but I'm just anxious so is the Glock going to be OK? Are they built to handle jams?I understand how you feel. I expect the best from my weapons, too. You don't buy a Glock to have it jam on you, nor should you accept a Glock that does. Other guns, however, don't always have a good reputation like Glocks do. Sometimes you are just gambling with your money when you buy a new gun. For example, I gambled when I bought my Kahr pm9 and guess what..I lost:)

Anyways, you bought a Glock. You'll be fine.

Ben86
December 14, 2008, 07:59 AM
It sounds like a classic sissy wristing. Glocks are some of the most reliable semi-autos ever made. Actually it could be said they set a new standard way back when. But, not even Glocks are 100% immune to malfunctions. Shoot it some more to make sure there is no problem.

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 08:58 AM
If this was any other brand the responses would be that it is BRAND NEW and sometimes they take a few dozen or hundred rounds to break in and be 100% reliable. Of course Glocks are 200% reliable out of the box and you are obviously the problem. You should return yourself to the factory to get fixed.

geronimo509
December 14, 2008, 09:13 AM
Its funny that limp wristing caused the infamous glock to jam. All of my auto loaders do to except for one. I even shot 2 mags in a row and purposely limp wristed it to see what happened. Nothing happened, it kept shooting. I love my new para. Dont get me wrong, i am not bashing glocks, I really like them and have a lot of respect for them. it was just a surprise to hear that. I was under the impression that they could not be stopped.

fineredmist
December 14, 2008, 09:30 AM
In response to your question of destroying a Glock let me recommend that you invest $30.00 +/- and buy "The Complete Glock Reference Guide" by PTOOMA Publications. This will give you all the information you need regarding the care and feeding of a Glock pistol and some of the most destructive tests ever done on new, out of the box Glock.
It is most enlightening reading and I highly recommend it.

rob b
December 14, 2008, 10:20 AM
glocks are the best pistol on the planet :D
I sold my other autos after buying my g23 as it outshot all the others and will eat anything I feed her
congrats on the purchase of the g19

possum
December 14, 2008, 10:26 AM
congrats on the new gun, and a glock at that, and better yet a 19, you can't get much better than that. great choice. your glock will be fine, one of the finest handguns avaliable.

PhillyGlocker
December 14, 2008, 10:26 AM
Glock is probably the best in the world right now. Problems with a Glock are definitely far in between. I'm on my 7th year with Glocks and only had one problem which was because of a damaged casing.

The End!

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 07:57 PM
How does all the Glock fanboy BS help the OP? There is a time and a place for it but I fail to see how it furthers the discussion or answers the OPs question?

Beren
December 14, 2008, 08:06 PM
Nice choice, I also own a Glock 19. As everyone else has said, it was probably the limp wrist and not the Glock itself that was at fault. I can recall one failure to feed that I witnessed first hand, but it turned out to be the ammunition that was at fault. One round of WWB 9mm had a case length that was a couple of millimeters too long! Thankfully it failed to chamber.

I've witnessed a Glock 27 go kaboom next to me at a firing range. No serious injury, guy said he was using "gunshow ammo." Never really clarified the source.

Drail
December 14, 2008, 08:23 PM
The Glock Fanboy BS. LOL That is just what I was thinking. Seriously now, Glocks are very durable weapons. If you wanted a gun to throw in your tackle box and pull it out 10 years from now it would almost certainly function perfectly even with rust and fish guts all over it. And I say this even though I hate Glocks and all pistols made from PLASTIC! Just keep the bore as clean as you can. They do not tolerate any kind of buildup in the rifling.

rugerfreak
December 14, 2008, 08:39 PM
How does it work with the 2 new mags that came with the gun??

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 09:22 PM
I don't dispute they are good either but the fact remains that the thing had ONE failure and immediately the poster was told its his fault. No mention of what ammo he was using or the simple fact that its brand new. That crap happens with new guns EVEN GLOCKS. The PERFECT hype is still just hype. Glocks have problems just like other weapons. Are they amongst the most reliable? Yes they are but they are FAR from making other makes obsolete. There are several brands i would take in a second over a Glock. Thats me. But just like those weapons one FTF or FTE is not going to hurt the weapon nor does it mean the weapon is damaged NOR does it mean it was "sissy wristed" or some other dumb term. IF you want to see damaged Glocks you can find pics of them all over the net. But those problems weren't caused by a simple FTF/FTE. (I'm sure someone will respond with pics of OTHER blown up guns but hey, THEY aren't perfect. The Perfect weapon should NEVER blow up now should it?)

I say keep shooting rounds down range and if your problems persist keep track of what magazine you are using when it happens. It could be a mag issue if not just a matter of break in. I suspect that its not that big of a deal.

Ken Rainey
December 15, 2008, 02:05 AM
"My friend actually has fired a good number of handguns and automatics. That's why the limp-wrist explanation is a bit bizarre"

"We think it might be a faulty magazine. Could that be a reason? This magazine doesn't lock the slide once pulled back...but we did take the magazine apart and pulled the spring and now the magazine locks the slide"


Considering this information, I'd say that it was most likely the magazine. The normal test for a Glock magazine is to retract the slide in a quick manner and see if the slide locks to the rear, if it doesn't the magazine spring is too weak and/or the follower is worn. Stretching a spring is only a temporary fix and will not last and should not be depended on. Also, considering that the mags that came with the pistol functioned fine just points at the bad mag that much more...I'd get a new spring for old magazine and just use it for a range mag.

Congratulations on purchasing one of the best pistols made...Glocks may not be perfect (as in fit everyones hand or have match grade accuracy at distance, etc.), but if the 9mm Glocks aren't the most durable, trouble free pistols ever made, I don't know which ones are...:neener:

I believe that Glock actually wants you to fire their pistols before cleaning the factory copper colored lube off but either way doesn't really matter...just do normal cleaning and let the copper colored stuff be cleaned away as it will, no need to scrub it off unless you want to. Glocks require little lubrication, only a few drops of oil, and any oil will do...a lot of us just use motor oil. Cleaning the barrel and wiping out the slide and frame of firing residue is easy and you can just use WD40 sprayed on an old towel if you want. I usually just wrap a patch around my bore brush, spray it with WD40 and run it thru the barrel a few times followed by a dry patch until clean...some people will scream that WD40 isn't any good for a gun barrel or any other part of gun, but trust me, just about anything will clean a Glock's barrel easily due to their rifling and buying a bore solvent isn't necessary, it won't hurt, but it isn't necessary. Learning how to detail strip a Glock is easy, there are instructions on the internet and all that is required is a punch (Glock Armorer's Tool..:rolleyes:). Be sure not to get any oil in the firing pin channel, it can cause firing residue to build up and impede the firing pin. It is highly recommended to only use jacketed ammunition due to the rifling that Glock uses - meaning no lead bullets...naturally, Glock says no reloaded ammunition for liability purposes although many fire it, even with lead bullets (with strict cleaning practices) without problems...you take your own chances there.

Don't worry about your pistol, keep it clean and feed it quality ammunition and it'll run just fine...;)

bpl
December 15, 2008, 02:14 AM
Ok, I get it! All glock failures are due to the shooter, the ammo, or pooossssssibly the magazine. Failures with other handguns are, of course, due to the gun. I've seen four different experienced IDPA shooters have glock malfunctions in one day! All autoloaders occasionally malfunction, glocks included.

Ken Rainey
December 15, 2008, 03:18 AM
That's just about right!...:D

With a pistol (or any gun) that starts out in spec, the first most likely cause of a malfunction is filth (firing residue build up and/or lack of lube, etc.), the second is ammo out of spec, and the third is a parts malfunction due to wear, etc.

I've put many a gun back in operating order with a good cleaning and proper lube...also saw plenty refuse to be reliable due to the ammunition being used...and naturally, worn parts, such as weak mag springs cause problems...all pistols are subject to these problems but most could be avoided! :what:

When starting with a new (or just new to you) pistol (or any gun), a good cleaning and inspection followed by using what should be good ammunition but also trying different bullet designs and weights to find what runs best during a range trip and then a good cleaning afterwards, paying attention to critical parts such as the extractor, and magazine, etc. will go a long way to insuring continued reliability with your new weapon...;)

People that don't clean their weapons often enough and/or shoot substandard ammo and/or use out of spec aftermarket parts can hardly blame the weapon for a lack of reliability..:uhoh:

But, no matter how dilligent your are, sometimes, stuff just happens..:(

RON in PA
December 15, 2008, 05:30 AM
Did you read the owner's manual before you took your new toy to the range? All sorts of info on maintaining your Glock on those printed pages.

Also Glocks are not perfect, I've had some that jammed with hollow point ammo and others that handled the same.

gglass
December 15, 2008, 08:03 AM
Why will this one time Glock owner never own another Glock? It's not the weapon. (Although, they are no better or worse than most choices on the market today.)

The reason I could never buy another Glock is the demeanor and mindset of Glock OWNERS. The smug, holier-than-thou, overzealous and mindless gun-brand devotees, who will never believe that Glocks can have issues. If there is an issue, the problem is with the user, the ammo or it is simply ignored. That is the kind of brand loyalty that leads to inferior products and lack of innovation. Maybe that explains why other manufacturers currently have products that beat Glock on a number of levels and Glock will continue to sell the same weapon and call in a new generation product. (Evidence. Look at the incoming 4th Generation Glock and try to find one real new feature.)

Gen 1--very smooth texture wrapping 360 degrees around grip.
Gen 2--rough "grenade" checkering on front and backstrap.
Gen 3--thumb rests and Glock spec rail.
Gen 4--Grip? Ambidextrous mag release? Mil-Std. rail?

Wow! What innovation! But, Glock devotees will line up for them and remind every other gun owner of the inferiority of their firearm.

LTB15J
December 15, 2008, 08:14 AM
the "Best" is usually unique to the individual..

if you hate square guns that dont shoot reloads well, then glock is not the best.

they are worth the money 100 percent. i just dont trust them with high powered loads

JDoe
December 15, 2008, 10:00 AM
How sturdy are glocks?

Glock 21 torture test with pictures (http://theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Itemid=40) The author of that article starts off saying "For almost 10 years Iíve been abusing and neglecting my Glock 21. Its been a running joke among some friends and I. Nothing was planned or documented. As I tell people what it has been through, most simply donít believe me. I guess I wouldnít either. If someone told you their Glock has at least 150K rounds through it and has gone almost 15K rounds with no cleaning or maintenance would you believe them?"

CoRoMo
December 15, 2008, 10:02 AM
limp wristing

+1 on that

punkndisorderly
December 15, 2008, 11:51 AM
I have two Glocks, both purchased new. The Glock 34 had one failure in the first 100 rounds then flawless for the next few thousand. The 26 has been problem free for about as many rounds.

If something does break, as long as the barrel, slide, and grip are OK, you can replace the parts cheaply and easily.

The only thing I would caution against is using cast lead bullets. That's generally a nono in Glocks unless you buy a aftermarket barrel with conventional rifling. With any jacketed bullet, they're no less tolerant of buildup than any other pistol.

I was a "plastic pistols need not apply" kind of guy for years. That changed after actually running one for a few hundred rounds. I was a 1911 and Hi Power fanboy all the way. Then I went through a course with a glock 26 and was won over. I actually shot the Texas CCW course of fire better shooting the Glock for the first time than I did two weeks earlier with my own personal 1911.

I'm not saying that Glocks are the best. I will say that they work the best FOR ME of any pistol I've tried so far.

punkndisorderly
December 15, 2008, 12:01 PM
Why will this one time Glock owner never own another Glock? It's not the weapon. (Although, they are no better or worse than most choices on the market today.)

The reason I could never buy another Glock is the demeanor and mindset of Glock OWNERS. The smug, holier-than-thou, overzealous and mindless gun-brand devotees, who will never believe that Glocks can have issues. If there is an issue, the problem is with the user, the ammo or it is simply ignored. That is the kind of brand loyalty that leads to inferior products and lack of innovation. Maybe that explains why other manufacturers currently have products that beat Glock on a number of levels and Glock will continue to sell the same weapon and call in a new generation product. (Evidence. Look at the incoming 4th Generation Glock and try to find one real new feature.)

Gen 1--very smooth texture wrapping 360 degrees around grip.
Gen 2--rough "grenade" checkering on front and backstrap.
Gen 3--thumb rests and Glock spec rail.
Gen 4--Grip? Ambidextrous mag release? Mil-Std. rail?

Wow! What innovation! But, Glock devotees will line up for them and remind every other gun owner of the inferiority of their firearm.

I would say that there are fanboys for every manufacturer and platform. I've met people that your post could apply to if Glock were replaced with AK, AR, M1A, Springfield XD, M&P, etc.

I agree there are a lot of completely mindlessly devoted Glock fanboys out there. However, I think there are just as many mindlessly devoted 1911 and Sig fanboys out there. Anyone that tries to tell you that a brand or model of firearm is the end-all be-all and tries to belittle anothers choice is generally an idiot. Each firearm has its strengths and weaknesses. I might question why someone chose a particular firearm, but their choice is just that "their choice".

zignal_zero
December 15, 2008, 12:47 PM
firearms failures i have experienced:

(1) double action revolver - cylinder stopped rotating and could not be opened without considerable force.

(2) Single action revolver- trigger spring BROKE, making the weapon unfireable

(3) M4 - trigger pin walked out during fire, completely disabling the weapon

(4) the almighty indestructible AK47 - trigger spring relocated from ON TOP of the little ears on the trigger assembly to UNDER IT, completely disabling the weapon

i am not listing "stoppages" only the incidents that made the weapon useless. i am not listing brand names, i don't want to go there, but they were ALL QUALITY FIREARMS.

my Glock has lead a difficult life, more so than ANY of the weapons listed. it has NEVER failed me.

MT GUNNY
December 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
Im not a Glock Koolaid Drinker!!!
I do admit they are Decent Firearms. My Brother Owns a 17 And he loves it. I cannot get a good felling grip on it. so its just not my cup of Tea.

rcmodel
December 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
but we did take the magazine apart and pulled the spring and now the magazine locks the slideTime for new springs, or new mags.

You cannot simply "stretch" a spring. It will work for a little while, and then be weaker then it was before you stretched it.

Because to "stretch" it, you have to have exceeded the yield strength of the steel wire.
That makes it no longer a spring.

rcmodel

The Lone Haranguer
December 15, 2008, 01:21 PM
The reason I could never buy another Glock is the demeanor and mindset of Glock OWNERS.
:confused: Who cares what anyone else thinks?

Blue Brick
December 15, 2008, 02:13 PM
If you want strength, then hands down Ruger’s are the strongest, safest, most reliable pistols ever made.

CZ223
December 15, 2008, 05:10 PM
has over 3000 rounds through it without cleaning and without a single failure to fire with factory ammo. I have had one failure to fire with my reloads. My other Glock has never had a single misfire with more than a thousand rounds through it and much of that was reloads. That one is a 357 Sig. Back when I bought my first Glock, a model 19, I had a few stovepipes. I was limp wristing the gun. Just because your friend has fired other autos does not mean that he is not limp wristing. The Glock is top heavy and the springs are pretty rugged causing the gun to flip more than some other autos.

michiganfan
December 15, 2008, 06:23 PM
I believe one of the latter day gun gurus said "All guns should be 9mm, all 9mms should be Glocks and all Glocks should be19s. Good choice.

Snarlingiron
December 15, 2008, 06:25 PM
Yep, Glocks suck and their owners do too. All three of mine don't work 3/4 of the time. It has taken me almost 3 years to get 12,000 round through my Glock 19 because it stovepiped every round. When it didn't stovepipe it jammed up in some other way. Man 10,000 tap, rack, bangs is hard on the hands, but I'm good at it now. Can't tell you how many gloves I have worn out. I bought a G26 because I just love guns that suck and don't work, and just last month a bought a G29 so I can have a really powerful carry weapon that is a piece of crap.

But nothing outweighs the mystique of owning a Glock. Man when I tell folks the admiration and respect in their eyes is just amazing. I don't tell them that if I needed to use the weapon it would probably not work. That's just a dirty little secret amongst us cool aid drinking Glock owners.

Just send your crappy Glocks to me, because I love 'em in spite of the fact that they are pure crap.

glockman19
December 15, 2008, 06:30 PM
DentThat,

Welcome and congrats on the Glock 19. I approve.

IMHO Glock makes the best 9mm. 17/19/16/34you can't go wrong. Glocks are Accurate, Reliable and practically Indestructible.

Your friend's stovepipe was a limp wrist. already answered.

Enjoy the gun, get an aftermarket barrel I like Storm Lake, and install a #3.5 trigger and you'll be all set.

f4t9r
December 15, 2008, 07:06 PM
Best guns on the planet!
Best guns in the World!
Every now and then you just click and read the wrong thread.
I think I am going to get sick !!! :barf:

F1
December 16, 2008, 05:54 AM
Yes, despite the hype in the gun magazines, Glocks DO jam. I've seen Glock 9mm's jam many times. never personally saw the .357sig jam, though.

and if i never hear that "limp wristing" excuse for jamming again it will be too soon...because who knows what kind of grip you'll be able to have in an emergency and/or struggle...it won't necessarily be a classic weaver.

this is the reason i'm liking good old fashioned revolvers. they don't jam, and you can be as limp wristed as the gayest transvestite in san francisco and they still won't jam.

zignal_zero
December 16, 2008, 11:17 AM
F1 -
you said "revolvers don't jam". re read the list of firearm failures i posted. revolvers most certainly jam.

keep in mind there is a difference betweeen a "jam" and a "stoppage" a stoppage is a minor hicup like a "stovepipe" that can be quickly cleared. a jam is something that makes you reach for a different gun.

the worst "jam" i ever had with a revolver was - i shot 5 rds, opened the cylinder, dumped the spent cases, dropped 5 in with a speed loader, closed the cylinder, and could NOT pull the trigger. i attempted to re open the cylinder and could not. i do not remember if i eventually got it by hand or if i used a rubber hammer, but it took ALOT of time and effort. once i got it open, i could see that extractor star was not all the way down, it was raised ever so slightly. i pushed it all the way up and looked under it, there was a couple tiny flakes of burnt powder. i cleared them away and the weapon functioned fine, again. keep in mind - i could NOT pull the trigger or open the cylinder, the weapon was out of service for the time being.

this is NOT the only revolver failure i've experienced. i do like revolvers, alot, but they (generally) have more moving parts than an auto and they definately jam.

Snarlingiron
December 16, 2008, 11:58 AM
Good point ZZ. One of the worst ones I ever saw was during a pistol class. We exchanged magazines with the guy standing next to us and salted the magazine with dummy rounds. One Wizenheimer put a round in the magazine backward. The Glock 17 fed it into the chamber backward, and there was no recovering from it. It required a disassembly and a wooden dowel to knock it out.

Point is, a gun, any gun is a mechanical contrivance. It is never a question of whether it will eventually fail, it is a question of when it will fail. They all eventually will. I want one that does it less often than most of the others.

If a Raven .25 melts your butter, go for it. If you like Sigs or Glocks or SuperBoomer II, that is your choice. Ain't America a great place?

regal
December 16, 2008, 12:54 PM
I looked down on Glocks until last month I bought an AWB special Glock 17, thing holds 20 rounds with a spare 33 round mag. Nothing can compete in carry capacity. The quality of the pistol seems outstanding. I don't understand why Glock's have such a negative image on the internet.

jon_in_wv
December 16, 2008, 06:12 PM
When ever I get a new weapon I number the magazines of the weapon. If I experience a failure I note which magazine it occured with. If you have a persistant problem it may be a magazine and you wouldn't know it if you don't keep track. The mags are the weak link in any semi auto Glocks included. I doubt you'll damage it in normal firing but it pays to use quality, clean, undamaged mags and if one is a problem look for a fix or discard it.

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