[mussi]

I thought that idea was tried elsewhere already:

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=4263352

Looks like our "Justice" minister has an agenda....

I hope her party suffers a defeat so bad in the next elections (they're next month) that we can kick her party out of government once and for all.

[Deadman]

Best not to hope, best for you and others to do what you can to make it so.
:cool:

[Mark Tyson]

Don't let them have an inch! Fight them every step of the way. The time to organize against them is now. Don't let what has happened in the US happen to your country, or worse, what's happened in Australia, England and Canada.

"The Swiss are armed to the teeth, and do not have to take orders from anyone."

- Machiavelli

[C.R.Sam]

Good luck to you and yours Mussi.
Even if you have to make your own luck.

Sam

[keederdag]

I think, I can Speak for all pro-gunners, when I say that we have allways looked up to you, so don't let us down over there.:)

[jimpeel]

Hmmmm. (Rubbing chin) First neutrality, now registry. Hmmmm.

What holds the future?

[geekWithA.45]

{In reference to the UN folks who go traipsing around the globe "advising" countries with "strong gun cultures" how to get in line behind the UN}

This makes no sense at all. The article states that the Zug killings where performed with the perpetrators GOVERNMENT ISSUED MILITIA WEAPON, and therefore this justifies registration of non governmentally issued weapons?

Fight em tooth and nail. If you don't have an NRA, it's time to build one.

NOW.

[Cosmoline]

Here's the website of a pro-gun Swiss organization:

http://www.protell.ch/

Protell as in Pro William Tell, I suspect
No English, sadly. But more details are here:

http://www.swissrifles.com/

[AZRickD]

The Swiss People’s Party, the Radical Party and the Swiss business federation, economiesuisse, have also asked the government to revise its arms reform project.There's your enemies.
The measures under consultation included tighter controls on members of the public wishing to buy guns - both from licensed gun shops and private individuals - as well as a ban on imitation and soft air guns.There's their grand plan.
The gun lobby, Pro Tell, is firmly against any changes to the law, arguing that putting them into practice would mean too much bureaucracy.Who's yer buddy?

[fallingblock]

Once they gain the upper hand, it's a quick downhill ride for firearms owners:eek: .

The U.N. (and IANSA) have the goal of disarming the civilian populations of the world...only a few nations have a chance of effectively resisting this tyranny. Switzerland is one of the kingpins they want to knock over.

Fight the good fight now:D

[jimpeel]

No English, sadly. Open one of the language choices at http://www.protell.ch/ to get to the page.

Copy the URL addy.

Open http://www.google.com/language_tools .

In the Translate window, paste the URL addy into the space provided at "Translate a web page:". (Be aware that the "http://" that is defaulted may be added to the addy you paste. In that case, delete the extra "http://" and then hit the "translate" button.

Voila! The page appears in English.

The sub-pages will also be translated.

In some of the pages, there are PDFs that can be viewed. These are also in German, French, and Italian.

At the same page in Google, there is a Translation window for text. Using the text selection tool in Adobe Reader, select a portion of the text in the foreign language PDF and paste that text into the "Translate Text" window.

Select the language and click "translate".

Know that the translations will not be perfect and you will have to fill in some blanks. The translation is a "machine translation" and, in the case of words that have multiple meanings (like bear and bear), it may make errors you will have to work around.

[Pilgrim]

“That’s the reason why I have proposed creating a register which would have all the names of weapons in Switzerland,” explained Metzler.

Do the Swiss give names to their weapons?

Pilgrim :D

[Cosmoline]

with Swiss gun owners is to buy a K-31, open the buttstock, and track down the former owner listed on the card. It's more fun than getting a secret prize in your post toasties!

[keederdag]

Jimpeel. Neutrality/ registration....Hmmmmmm point taken.:)

[fallingblock]

that Canada has blown over a billion dollars for nothing in the same foolish quest:
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http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns94.htm

NEWS RELEASE - September 23, 2003

UNBELIEVABLE! THE GOV'T ITSELF IDENTIFIES 90 PROBLEMS IN THE GUN
REGISTRY

"The additional cost to fix these problems - plus all the ones they
missed - should end the gun registry."

Ottawa - The government's most recent evaluation of the gun registry
identified ninety problems with the gun registry. "But that's only
half
the story," says Garry Breitkreuz, Official Opposition Critic for
Firearms and Property Rights. "They missed documenting some of the
most
important problems. For instance, police will never know where the
registered guns are stored - let alone the whereabouts of the millions
of unregistered ones," reported Breitkreuz. "The Minister didn't have
this report when he issued his so-called 'Action Plan' in February or
tabled his departmental 'Estimates' in March. Fixing these problems -
and the many his bureaucrats missed - will drive the gun registry costs
much, much higher than the billion they already wasted," predicted
Breitkreuz.

The Justice Department document was obtained by the Saskatchewan MP
through his 373rd Access to Information Act request. Some of the key
problems highlighted in the 58-page evaluation were:
* Page iv: "By September 2002, over 200,000 owners had not complied
with the legislation by obtaining a licence."
* Page v: "The Program is not being implemented and applied uniformly
across the country."
* Page viii: "Aboriginal adaptation regulations receive limited use by
some Chief Firearm Officers."
* Page 34: "Firearm officers in the field are often unable to gain
access to the system."
* Page 34: "The police are unable to verify the ATT [Authorization To
Transport] via the CFRO."
* Page 34: "[Firearm] prohibition orders are not automatically
captured and entered into the CFRS."
* Page 34: "Police users observed that when making a query on the way
to a residential call, the system only generates a list of firearm
registration certificate numbers ... and sufficient time to query
specific firearm-type information is not always available."
* Page 35: "The Firearms Interest Police (FIP) Database - The main
concern expressed over this issue is that relevant risk data could be
overlooked among large amounts of irrelevant/duplicate data."
* Page 37: "Registration data might not be able to conclusively
identify the ownership of a non-restricted firearm."
* Page 39: "Specific examples included: licences being sent to the
wrong person, licences with incorrect information, and licences with
the
incorrect photographs."
* Page 42: "Key informants noted that many processing problems
resulted from manual data entry errors."
* Page 44: "Very few [police agencies] reported that they had received
CFC legislative training materials."
* Page 47: "Cuts to research commencing in 1999 and subsequent cuts
may have negatively affected the implementation of the Program by
limiting insight into key policy issues. Program research had been
reduced to the point of being non-existent."
* Page 54: "The Quebec processing site is less efficient and more
prone to error than the CPS."

"One of the more amazing things about the government's internal
evaluation is that they uncovered so many problems by talking amongst
themselves. Just think what they would have uncovered if they had
actually talked to the firearms organizations and the honest citizens
who have been forced - under threat of criminal prosecution - to
register themselves and their guns? There are so many holes in the
ship
that it's time for the rats to leave," concluded Breitkreuz.

PROBLEMS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE CANADIAN FIREARMS
PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION EVALUATION - April 2003
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article168.htm

[Sodbuster]

mussi Gruess Gott mein Freund, was ist mit Metzler los? She wouldn't want me running her central registry, I'd have it deleted faster than Nixon
erased his tapes. Know any moles?