Is cost a factor in choosing a defense caliber?


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Boba Fett
December 14, 2008, 04:09 AM
UPDATED 17-DEC-08 - PLEASE READ THIS POST (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5160012&postcount=45). Now that most of the votes are in, if you don't want to read all the posts, at least read this one so you are up to date with the direction of the discussion.

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KegCommando's caliber post got me thinking about this.

How many people factor in the cost of a particular caliber when choosing a home-defense or CCW handgun?

IF YOU CONSIDER COST A FACTOR then tell us what gun and caliber you are shooting and why you are factoring in the cost.

If you don't factor it in then it doesn't really matter.

My question stems from the many people that I have read on one forum or another who say, "But that ammo is too expensive...I couldn't afford to practice."

Now, some stipulations:
If you consider the 500 magnum to be a defense round, more power to you and your hearing aid company (all the same I want to shoot one :D ). But what I am going for are standard calibers (22, 380, 9mm, 40, 45, 10mm, ect.).

This being the handgun section, no shotgun ammo or rifle ammo.

Also, reloading is out. My earlier question about reloading has convinced me that I could save a bunch of money by switching to Geico...er...by reloading. I just need to shoot more and pick up my spent brass.

And DO NOT turn this into a "such and such a caliber is better than another" argument. That is not the intent of the post or poll.

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General Geoff
December 14, 2008, 04:30 AM
I shoot .40S&W because it's a potent caliber available in just about any modern pistol, but is also available in some odd ball guns like the Kel Tec Sub-2000 carbine (which I will eventually get), and my 610 revolver will chamber .40S&W as well as 10mm. And I have a Para Ordnance on order that comes in .40S&W and can accept a 10mm conversion barrel.

I guess what I'm getting at is that .40S&W isn't as cheap as 9mm, BUT it has a lot in common (hardware-wise) with 10mm which is my favourite (handgun) cartridge, and is much cheaper than 10mm. So basically all my centerfire handguns have been either explicitly .40S&W, or able to use it or be converted to it. So in a sense, cost is a concern. I like to be able to stockpile just one caliber that can be used in everything.

CPshooter
December 14, 2008, 04:42 AM
I would say no for the most part, but it depends on how much you plan on shooting it at the range and how tight your budget is. You definitely need to practice with your carry rig. The more the better, but if it is your primary carry gun and you don't plan on shooting more than 100 rounds per month through it, then I would say no it doesn't matter.

Go with what is comfortable, and what you think you can shoot the best. Any good 9mm, .40, or .45 hollow-point will do the job if you have good shot placement. Past that, it's just preference. Of course, a bigger hole doesn't hurt if you decide to go with a .45.

If it is your first handgun, go with 9mm.

Kind of Blued
December 14, 2008, 05:05 AM
Yes, albeit a very small one. Much more important to me is capacity, effectiveness, SD load choices, recoil, and reputation.

The cheaper it is, the more I can practice, and the more likely I am to place my shots as intended, which is more important than anything. At the same time, there's a reason I don't carry a .22... I'll take all of the help I can get.

regal
December 14, 2008, 06:56 AM
Comfort is the biggest factor for me, life is too short to be strapped to a brick.

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 08:35 AM
I voted yes. Whatever caliber you choose for defense the practice ammo must be cheap enough to allow you to go to the range and stay proficient with your weapon. Premium defensive ammo is very good in 9/40/45 but practice ammo for 9mm is generally quite a bit cheaper. All of my defensive pistols are 9mms.

KC0QGL
December 14, 2008, 08:45 AM
I had to vote yes, mostly because I like to burn up alot of ammo in all my guns. 9mm is cheaper than 10mm, and the reasons listed above.

Ben86
December 14, 2008, 08:57 AM
Of course cost is a factor. After all I do want to practice a lot, however my money is limited. That's why I use 9mm and a .22 conversion kit.

wnycollector
December 14, 2008, 09:22 AM
I voted yes mainly because if the ammo for you CCW is to expensive you may not make it to the range enough to practice! I own mainly .357 revolvers, but I do own at least one 9mm, .40 and .45. I gotta be honest and say I dont shoot the .45 as much as I should since .45 ammo prices are so high. When I do shoot my .45 its with RNL or SWC reloads. The pistol that gets used the most is my Polish Tok...less than 10 cents/shot:)

KegCommando
December 14, 2008, 12:05 PM
I believe it is.

If we are all going to agree that there is no magic bullet and shot placement is the key, then proficiency is key.

How does one become proficient? Practice.

If you can't afford to practice, then you are depending on pure luck. Luck will always be a factor, but I believe you want a minimum of dependence on it as possible.

If you can afford to practice with any caliber, then disregard cost as a factor in the selection process, but for most of us, I think it would be foolish to not consider it a factor, if not the most important factor.

possum
December 14, 2008, 12:51 PM
i put all handguns on the same equal playing field, no matter what caliber 9mm, to .45 they are all equal in my book. the best choice is a rifle or shotgun, but since we can't carry a rifle or shotgun everywhere with us, we have to settle for a handgun.

with that said, i believe that it is 100 times better to be able to hit the target with 6 rounds in 2 seconds of 9mm, than 4 rounds of .45 in the same time. more wound channels, more damage to the target causing the shutting down of the central nervous system.

I reccomend that people look for what they can control, handle and shoot with the best. If they can achieve good, solid, fast hits on traget with a .45 great if not a 9mm might need to be the gun for choice of that individual.

So now going into the cost factor, i highly reccomend that people go with the 9mm as it is the cheapest avaliable, and will allow them for more trigger/training time and value. I carry .40 but that is what i was started on and i shoot it just fine, as well i reload so that keeos my cost down as well.

JImbothefiveth
December 14, 2008, 12:53 PM
So long as I can get a .22 pistol to go with it, no. If I can't, then yes, because I have to be able to practice with it.

Deanimator
December 14, 2008, 01:17 PM
Cost is totally irrelevant to me. I'm able to reload for EVERY centerfire handgun caliber I possess. That means that my practice costs are VERY low. The only thing that costs me any appreciable amount of money is carry ammunition, which is steep, but even then I look for good deals. Winchester White Box 147gr. JHP 9x19mm does everything I could want in my Glock 19 and Browning High Power. It's also VERY reasonably priced compared to so-called "premium" defense ammunition.

shamus
December 14, 2008, 02:25 PM
9mm: Cheap, easily available, accurate.

The differences (defensive-wise)between the 9mm, 40, and 45 are very negligible. 9mm does it for me.

benzuncle
December 14, 2008, 02:34 PM
I'm hangin' with Deanimator. I currently own and reload 45acp and 380acp. My next round/firearm will be chambered in 357sig. I'll reload that too. Regardless of the caliber you choose, practice is essential! My reloading equipment has almost paid for itself in 11 months. I'm having a blast, literally, with 2 hobbies now.

Deanimator
December 14, 2008, 02:57 PM
My reloading equipment has almost paid for itself in 11 months.
I think my first Dillon 550 paid for itself in no more than six months. At one point in the early '90s, I was loading 9x19mm faster than I could shoot it.

Boba Fett
December 14, 2008, 05:51 PM
OK, please keep to the original stipulations.

Reloading doesn't count. Sorry. I'm talking just going to the Wally World or a gun show or an online retailer to get your ammo.

Thanks for all who are participating in this research. Please keep the posts and votes coming. As it winds down, I will throw out my own opinion on the matter.

mongo4567
December 14, 2008, 05:54 PM
Not to me. I practice enough with my defense gun to feel comfortable, but I spend most of my range time with choices that are cheaper to shoot.

schadenfreude
December 14, 2008, 06:05 PM
Cost a factor? Absolutely not. ccw home defense is 1911 A1 .45. When I bought my 1911 it was my first time shooting .45 and to be honest I never went back. I sold my other pistols to my brother. That's all I need and all I want.

I use Remington Golden Saber 185-Grain +P JHP as my defense round. I think it's up to about $25 a box locally.

Not a big deal really for 1 box.... but it was when I bought 200 rnds and ran them through the pistol. I'm confidant in these rounds and know the function flawlessly in my Springfield.

If I wanted a different defense round I would do the same thing regardless of price.

FoMoGo
December 14, 2008, 06:11 PM
Since I reload... it IS very relevant to me.
And to the other reloaders.
I shoot .45 ACP and .44 special for less than most are shooting surplus ammo.
As to cost... buy the best you can afford.
Your life is worth skipping a few value meals or a pack of smokes here and there to make up the difference.
I carry a S&W M21 in .44 special and a RIA Match in .45 acp.
My life is worth quality weapons and ammo.


Jim

TimboKhan
December 14, 2008, 06:13 PM
ammo cost isn't a concern, weapon cost is.

michiganfan
December 14, 2008, 06:29 PM
It was to me. I wanted to train with what I shot. Taking a class that burns through a 1000 rounds in a weekend gets expensive. I took six classes last year and I try to go to the range at least two or three times a month. Usually go through 200 a trip. I made the change from 40 to 9mm. With 16 rounds of +P+ in the gun and 17 in the extra mag I feel good to go.

floods
December 14, 2008, 06:34 PM
Yes. I haven't even purchased my gun yet, but it is definitely a factor for me. My limited trigger time means that I will be practicing quite a bit, so although I'd love to have something in .45acp that's not really financially practical for me. Being able to regularly train through 200 rounds of 9mm surely beats 100 rounds of .45acp. There's no doubt that I'm strong enough to handle some of the higher calibers without a problem, it's purely a financial and practice-based argument for me personally.

Girodin
December 14, 2008, 07:02 PM
This is an interesting question to me. I have always preferred a .45 as defensive handgun. I have not problem shooting them and am as proficient with my 1911 as any pistol I have shot. Bu due to the difference in ammo cost I have been considering making a 9mm my primary carry pistol on the theory that the extra practice out weighs the the extra power of the .45. I'm also looking at a .22lr conversion which I believe has its merits but as others have said there is benefit in training with the ammo one will use and for pistol classes etc I need the real rounds.

I do reload btw but it is still cheaper to reload 9mm than anything else particularly because it is the most common brass I can scrounge at the range.


Your life is worth skipping a few value meals or a pack of smokes here and there to make up the difference.

Sorry that cracks me up since the cigs are way more likely to kill you than anything that you can shoot. If one is really concerned about there life (and the quality of it) they will skip all the packs of smokes.

FoMoGo
December 14, 2008, 07:06 PM
Very true... but when do people do what they should ;)


Jim

The Lone Haranguer
December 14, 2008, 07:25 PM
The cost of practice ammo is (at least partly) what gravitates me to 9mm.

hankdatank1362
December 14, 2008, 09:02 PM
^ And keeps me away from 10mm bliss... gotta get into reloading

mljdeckard
December 14, 2008, 11:05 PM
It is, in that if ammo costs less, you will be more inclined to practice more. But at the same time, I consider this part of the lifestyle commitment involved in carrying, with changing your wardrobe to conceal a bigger gun if necessary, doing different activities in different places to limit your danger to begin with, and conditioning those you live with to the plans you have to defend them if you have to draw your gun in real life.

If you are concerned that you have to spend $40 a month instead of $30, you probably aren't going to do all the other things you need to either.

1SOW
December 15, 2008, 12:17 AM
possum: +1
YES

You have to practice to be able to shoot.
You will (tend to) shoot like you practice.
9mm is my choice due to cost and mag capacity.

I shot with my son today. I shot 175 rds of my 124gr 9mm. He shot about 50 rds of my 124gr 9mm because he couldn't afford more Winchester Value pack .45 rds for his XD.

XD-40 Shooter
December 15, 2008, 12:40 AM
Since I don't practice regularly with my $1/round Speer Gold Dot's in 40 S&W, cost is not a factor. I reload all of my practice ammo, at 12 cents/round. So cost is not a factor for me.

Just One Shot
December 15, 2008, 09:26 AM
For me, I consider the cost of the gun and the ammo. That's why I research the weapon for function and reliability before I make a purchase.

I chose the Ruger P-95 because (in my opinion) it's one of the most reliable 9mm out there and it can handle even the cheapest of ammo without malfunctioning. This will be my ccw during the cold weather.

For the warmer weather I purchased (just this past Sat.) a Bersa Thunder .380acp (thanks for the recomendation skeptiq). While the ammo is as expensive (or more in some instances) than the 9mm, I feel it is one of the easiest to conceal and a sufficient caliber for self defense, especially during the warmer climate when the BG most likely won't be wearing heavy clothing.

Bix
December 15, 2008, 11:49 AM
My strategy is to spend my shooting budget on more shooting and more classes rather than bigger bullets.

GrendelPrime
December 15, 2008, 12:17 PM
I factor in cost specifically pertaining to range time.
If I can't afford to shoot at the range with any kind of regularity, I forfeit both confidence in my weapon and proficiency to place the rounds where they need to go.

What was it Bruce Lee said?
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

The Bushmaster
December 15, 2008, 01:40 PM
When the protection of myself, family and property? The best I can afford. I have two mod 10 S&Ws in the house loaded and I carry a Kimber .45 ACP UCC II when ever my eyes are open...

Walkalong
December 15, 2008, 01:43 PM
I am with The Bushmaster on this one.

Eightball
December 15, 2008, 01:59 PM
My life's worth more than the extra couple of dollars I might spend to protect it.

KegCommando
December 15, 2008, 04:11 PM
My life's worth more than the extra couple of dollars I might spend to protect it.
I've developed cross-eyes.

I've always gotta keep one eye on the wife because I'm worth more dead. :eek:

Boba Fett
December 15, 2008, 09:28 PM
So is everyone's vote in? I'll post my opinion on the matter tomorrow, so get your votes and thoughts in before then.

earlthegoat2
December 15, 2008, 11:55 PM
If we are talking the difference in cost between a 40 or 45 and a 9mm and you think you are going to shoot more with the 9mm because the ammo is cheaper then get the 9 so you can be proficient.

If you get a pocket caliber for this reason its suicide.

Dr_2_B
December 16, 2008, 12:00 AM
It's a factor for me, but it is not the only factor by any stretch.

moooose102
December 16, 2008, 09:16 AM
if you want to shoot a bunch, of course price is important. i have a 45acp, and a 380. now, i reload in order to be able to shoot, because money is a very important thing to me. but if you are not going to do that, then you need to be able to find something you can afford to shoot. meaning, dont go out and buy a 45 winchester magnum to shoot, because the price of ammo will send you to the poor house in a hurry. you will need to find a caliber like 9mm, 40 s&w, or 45 acp where you can make bulk ammo purchases (2000 rounds or more) to get the best prices. personally, i would love to have 5k rounds for my handguns, and 1k for each of my rifles (except for 22, which would be 10k) but is simply can not afford that much ammo. and, there may be legal ramifications as well. but i think i could work around that (store in different locations).

CoRoMo
December 16, 2008, 10:44 AM
Yep. I use a reoccurring coupon to Sportsman's Warehouse to buy my 9mm and 45acp carry ammo. I go for Federal Hydros because they are some of the least expensive, but with the $10 off coupon, I don't mind getting some of the higher priced stuff at times.

ZO6Vettever
December 16, 2008, 02:47 PM
Cost was a factor and I choose a 9mm for that reason. I probably should have got a 40 but I'll stick with my 9.

glockman19
December 16, 2008, 03:25 PM
I voted NO. Why?

I practice with CCI Blaser Brass and Speer Lawman.

My SD/HD ammo is Federal Hydra Shok & Speer Gold Dot.

I buy cheaper reloadable practice ammo and more expensive HD/SD ammo.

I don't see a big difference in POI regadless what ammo I shoot, groups are tight enough I'm killing whatever I'm aiming at.

As I begin to reload I hope to create practice ammo, at a fraction of the cost, that shoots closer to my HD/SD/Carry ammo.

In a SHTF situation...I'll shoot whatever I have without a thought.

Boba Fett
December 16, 2008, 06:52 PM
Looks like most everyone has voted and put their 2 cents in.

Time for my 2 cents.

NOTE: ALL PRICING COMES FROM AMMUNITIONTOGO.COM (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php). When possible, I went with regular Winchester White Box (WWB) FMJ at 1000 rounds bulk order. On a few I had to choose another brand because they didn't offer Winchester, but I chose something comparable in quality and cost (i.e. not Wolf or Bear).


I started this thread because I often hear on other threads or at gun shows or in stores, "_______ caliber is too expensive to shoot. I want something that I can practice a lot with."

If your only concern is how much you will be able to practice with it, then buy a 22. You can practice your way through 5000 rounds of Winchester Wildcat for $200 (4 cents per round).

Then we move on to the people who have put more thought into it. They have started to weigh the real world performance of the round and are still considering the cost of the round as a major factor.

Here is why I say: cost is not really a factor. Consider the following from data I gathered from ammunition to go:
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25 Auto - Federal - 50gr - 500 rounds @ $153 = 31 cents/round

32 Auto - WWB - 71gr - 500 rounds @ $216 = 43 cents/round

38 Special - WWB - 130gr - 1000 rounds @ $318 = 32 cents/round

380 - Aguila - 95gr - 1000 rounds @ $245 = 25 cents/round

357 Mag - Sellier Bellot - 150gr - 1000 rounds @ $324 = 32 cents/round

9mm - WWB - 147gr - 1000 rounds @ $290 = 29 cents/round

40 S&W - WWB - 180gr - 1000 rounds @ $343 = 34 cents/round

45 ACP - WWV - 230gr - 1000 rounds @ $370 = 38 cents/round

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Now, I personally don't consider 25 or 32 to be choices for home or primary CCW defense. I think they are good for pocket guns, along with the 22lr and 22 mag for that matter, but not much more.

For sake of argument, letís choose the classic 9mm vs. 45 ACP battle and apply the cost to it since many people in this thread have said that they would choose 9mm because they can practice with it more.

The difference of 9mm vs 45 ACP in cost is 9 cents. At 1000 rounds, if you do the math with the data above, you can shoot 236 more 9mm rounds than 45 ACP rounds. I don't know about the rest of you, but that's about one practice session at the indoor range and I usually go a couple times a month to stay practiced.

As to cost... buy the best you can afford.
Your life is worth skipping a few value meals or a pack of smokes here and there to make up the difference.

My life is worth quality weapons and ammo.

This gets to the crux of the matter. What is your life worth? You know that biggie drink and fries you just purchased? Sure it was only around 67 cents more, but that's like 1.5 more round of 45 ACP you could have purchased...or 2 more 9mm.

What I am saying is, your life depends on the ammo you are using and if you are going to cripple your choice by limiting it to cost, then you haven't thought things out enough. Yes, you must practice. Yes, proficiency is key. But I think most of us could cut back on the super size meals and other little splurges and purchase a caliber based on any other real consideration except cost.

To prove this, consider one person, eating one fast food meal per weekday and supersizing it at 67 cents. That's $13.40 per month. That's 35 more 45 ACP rounds. Keep cutting small things like that and you'll reach that 236 round difference really fast.
I consider this part of the lifestyle commitment involved in carrying, with changing your wardrobe to conceal a bigger gun if necessary, doing different activities in different places to limit your danger to begin with, and conditioning those you live with to the plans you have to defend them if you have to draw your gun in real life.

If you are concerned that you have to spend $40 a month instead of $30, you probably aren't going to do all the other things you need to either.

My life's worth more than the extra couple of dollars I might spend to protect it.


So, how much is your life worth to you?

Now, that being said, if you do your research on a caliber, decide that it is more controllable for you, and you factor in any other concerns like availability, recoil, or mag capacity, and you choose ____ round regardless of what everyone else thinks, THEN DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE WRONG. Yes, 45 ACP has it's advantages. Yes 9mm has some disadvantages. This can be said of all rounds. But if you can handle the 9mm better, then 9mm is the one for you. If you can handle 45, go for it. If you can't handle either and have found 380 is for you, more power to you. In the end, hit your target with something you are able to control. But deciding by price IMO is simply nuts when you consider that the difference in cost is, according to the math, minimal.


And please, this isnít to try and prove that one round is better than anotherÖso as I said in my OP, donít turn this into caliber B is better than caliber A because of X data. I am merely trying to illustrate the futility of choosing a caliber strictly or even primarily on cost of the rounds.

Thank you all for participating, please post your thoughts. Maybe Iím wrongÖIím have no problem with admitting it. So post your argument for or against. Discussion, asking questions, is how we learn.

1time
December 16, 2008, 07:30 PM
So if you cut those little things that cost extra to buy more ammo, how much more 9mm can you buy?

If I thought the round I carried to save money was inferior I would pony up the extra cash. But I am just as confident in 9mm as I am in 40, 45, or 357.

Boba Fett
December 16, 2008, 07:35 PM
I am just as confident in 9mm as I am in 40, 45, or 357.

And as I said, that is perfectly fine. If you have done the research and decided that 9mm is good for you, then you should buy 9mm; because you aren't basing your choice strictly or even primarily on cost.

FoMoGo
December 16, 2008, 07:47 PM
If you look at it as more than skipping on your supersize...
a trip to the movies for most people will cost them around $20 for 1 person.
Have a nice meal at home instead of eating out... thats at least $20 more dollars.
I reload, and I honestly look at things in that light.
A box of .45 acp costs me around $6 to load.
You would be amazed at the little things you dont notice that costs $6 or more.
A whopper, fries, and a coke... $6+
For you guys that smoke... especially up northeast... $5+ a pack
Gas is coming down now... but planning your trips and hitting stops in an order on the same day can save a couple of gallons.

I make small adjustments in my lifestyle to make the most of what I make, and it doesnt just extend to shooting.

This is ESPECIALLY beneficial for me, since I shoot .44 special... and those buggers are not cheap.


Jim

grimjaw
December 16, 2008, 07:56 PM
I carry 9mm (CZ PCR) and .22LR (Beretta Bobcat) because I can afford to practice with those calibers more frequently than others, but that's not my main reason. There are more choices of subcompact, very concealable handguns than in higher calibers. The ability to comfortably conceal and carry the gun is also a factor. 9mm is highly available, unlike .357SIG. As long as a good hollowpoint bullet is used, it is acceptable for self defense use.

jm

Boba Fett
December 16, 2008, 08:10 PM
I carry 9mm (CZ PCR) and .22LR (Beretta Bobcat) because I can afford to practice with those calibers more frequently than others, but that's not my main reason. There are more choices of subcompact, very concealable handguns than in higher calibers. The ability to comfortably conceal and carry the gun is also a factor. 9mm is highly available, unlike .357SIG. As long as a good hollowpoint bullet is used, it is acceptable for self defense use.

That is a valid point...if you are trying to conceal the gun, it is often easier to conceal a 9mm than 45 ACP handgun. However, that may not last for much longer as they are coming up with new ways to make smaller 45's. But here again, your choice is primarily based on concealability not price of ammo.


If you look at it as more than skipping on your supersize...
a trip to the movies for most people will cost them around $20 for 1 person.
Have a nice meal at home instead of eating out... thats at least $20 more dollars.
I reload, and I honestly look at things in that light.
A box of .45 acp costs me around $6 to load.
You would be amazed at the little things you dont notice that costs $6 or more.
A whopper, fries, and a coke... $6+
For you guys that smoke... especially up northeast... $5+ a pack
Gas is coming down now... but planning your trips and hitting stops in an order on the same day can save a couple of gallons.

BINGO! And I want to add that I'm not suggesting that people stop living their lives. Nothing wrong with seeing movies (though it is criminal what they charge :cuss: ) or super sizing things. But you have to have a hierarchy. If you are concerned with cost of ammo vs. seeing a movie...which should you choose? Well...I wouldn't want my life to end because I spent my money on one too many theater tickets... (especially with the drivel Hollywood is turning out these days...)

punkndisorderly
December 16, 2008, 09:08 PM
I don't really consider cost related to caliber when choosing a defensive pistol. Generally I choose platform first, then caliber second. None of the common defensive handgun cartridges other than perhaps 10mm and 44 Special are really that expensive. 44 Mag, 500 Mag, 50 AE, etc are crazy expensive, but I wouldn't consider them a defensive cartridge.

I have had the cost of ammo within a caliber influence my ammo choice. For example, I wince when I start calculating how much it would cost to run 200 rounds of say Glasers through my carry gun to check for reliability. As such, I don't carry them.

For rifles, the price gap is a lot wider and I do consider caliber price. All other things being equal, I'd buy a .300 Winmag or .338 Lapua Magnum bolt gun in a heartbeat. Since I don't reload currently, when I look at bolt guns and start figuring how little I would actually be able to shoot them, I go with .308 or .223. It boils down to an amazing gun I'd be able to shoot once a month or a less impressive one that I can shoot every weekend.

Boba Fett
December 17, 2008, 12:50 AM
10mm and 44 Special

Just FYI everyone, the 10mm only came in 50 round boxes on ammunitiontogo.com (at least it did when I looked today),so I didn't feel that it was a fair comparison to the other bulk order groups. As for the 44 Special, I didn't even look at that one.

The cost for the 44 Special would be:
500 rounds of Winchester Cowboy @ $297 = 59 cents/round

I have had the cost of ammo within a caliber influence my ammo choice. For example, I wince when I start calculating how much it would cost to run 200 rounds of say Glasers through my carry gun to check for reliability. As such, I don't carry them.

Just to clarify, I'm not looking at shooting actual defensive ammo for practice. That really does get expensive in just about any caliber. The idea here is that you practice with standard FMJ and would carry a more defensive round.

Probably a good idea though to run a box or two of your defensive stuff just to make sure it runs well/doesn't jam/isn't difficult to handle/etc.

Borch
December 17, 2008, 01:21 AM
In my mind it is definately a factor. What good is a defense gun that you can't afford to practice with or buy ammo for? What are you gonna do throw it at the BG?

johnnylaw53
December 17, 2008, 08:19 AM
I voted yes as I feel one should shoot a lot with what they carry. I have always like the 9mm for other reason then cost but they are quite a bit cheaper so it a win win for me. In the good defense rounds cost is not that much more for .357 sig, .40 or .45 the big factor is range ammo this is where the 9mm beat the others also follow up shots are faster for me with the 9mm two or three fast well place rounds should do the trick almost everytime.

Be safe

Carl N. Brown
December 17, 2008, 09:26 AM
cost of a particular caliber when choosing a home-defense or CCW handgun

OK, a white box of .45 ACP 230 gr FMJ for $39.95 for a hundred (allowing lotsa range practice) is a better buy than a six pack of 10mm Xtreme Wiz-Bang Eyeglazers for $39.95 that are too expensive to allow range time, accuracy or reliablity checks.

Boba Fett
December 17, 2008, 12:41 PM
In my mind it is definately a factor. What good is a defense gun that you can't afford to practice with or buy ammo for?

Buy ammo for? I don't think buying ammo for any standard caliber gun is an issue for most people. If you can't afford a good 20-50 round box of high quality defensive ammo, I doubt you can afford the gun in the first place.


As for practice ammo, for you, the cost difference of standard FMJ 9mm vs. X other caliber is so great that you can't afford to practice with X caliber and have to practice with 9mm? Again, if you look at the math (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5160012&postcount=45), I just can't see it.

And, do you believe that X caliber is better than 9mm, but you just want to be able to practice more so you go with 9mm?


So far, I'm not convinced that the cost of any standard caliber is enough to keep most people from practicing.

If you believe that X caliber is actually a better round, but go with something else because you believe you will be able to practice more, I'm not convinced that is a wise decision. Not after comparing the actual cost difference.


What are you gonna do throw it at the BG?

Throw it?? Never! I'm going to beat the BG to death with it if by some miracle he's still alive when I run out of bullets. :neener: ;)

helz_mcfugly
December 17, 2008, 10:09 PM
I chose "hydra Shock for my" 40 S&W for its speed and 45 ACP for its stopping power. I reload so target rounds come a bit cheaper.

wep45
December 17, 2008, 10:38 PM
defense cost.................you must b jokin, dude:cool:

UnTainted
December 17, 2008, 10:56 PM
I use 3 calibers for home defense:

357sig
9mm +P
.40 S&W

Speer gold dot works for me, and it's not too expensive. WWB for range practice, and lawman for the 357.


Ammo is so much more expensive now that I don't care too much about it. I'll buy a few hundred 9mm rounds, 100 .40 or 357 sig and roll to the range knowing when its over, i've got .22lr for hours after.

f4t9r
December 17, 2008, 11:09 PM
I voted yes. Whatever caliber you choose for defense the practice ammo must be cheap enough to allow you to go to the range and stay proficient with your weapon.

Same reason I voted yes

MIgunguy
December 17, 2008, 11:19 PM
No... what's your life worth? What's a $1,000 or $2,000 defensive handgun (plus X-dollars on practice ammo) compared to death, or a $20,000 or more hospital bill if you're shot / stabbed by the bad guy?

KINGMAX
December 17, 2008, 11:33 PM
Personal defense pistols and rounds in this order: #1) .45acp w/SJHP in a GLOCK 21, #2). 357/38 +P silvertips & .38spl SJHP's in a S&W 686-1, #3). 38 +P silvertips / 38 spl SJHP's in my Rossi 582. Those are my choices for my primary carries in my truck.

Bed side is a Boxer/Bullbog with aids and a hefty appitite for BG;s. The door is always unlocked. She is always on duty.

Boba Fett
December 17, 2008, 11:46 PM
Same reason I voted yes

I still don't understand. After looking at the math I presented (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5160012&postcount=45), I don't see how a few extra bucks would keep anyone from choosing an ammo based on, oh say magazine capacity instead. Or pretty much any other reasonable factor other than cost.

I'm not attacking anyone here for their decision, but people have to provide better arguments for why cost is a factor for them. Because according the the math as I've laid it out, I just can't see why it is.

And just to throw the reloaders a bone, I'm going to say caliber cost is almost a moot point for you guys. From what everyone has said, and you reloader's correct me if I am wrong, when you reload it reduces the costs to such a minimum that you shoot just about any normal caliber you want and not even blink at the costs.

helz_mcfugly
December 18, 2008, 10:26 AM
yea sorry. I meant to type "I chose hydra shock" for the 40 and 45. thats what I keep in my carry guns. and reloads for practice, so no cost doesnt concern me for my defense rounds.

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