Merry Christmas to me! H&K P7 PSP from CDNN


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jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 08:35 AM
Well I picked up my new (to me) HK P7 PSP from CDNN on Thursday. Saturday morning I finally had a chance to get to the range and do some shooting with it. My normal carry gun is my M&P 9c but I have always wanted a P7. I am very, very pleased with my P7 from CDNN. I ordered the "excellent to like new" P7 with the plum colored slide. It is definitely "like new". From the wear on the feed ramp, internals, and mag well I would be very surprised if it was ever more than just test fired. It is flawless. I was also very happy with my first range session with it. I brought along my M&P for comparison. The P7 is supposed to have very low recoil and muzzle flip and while it is a very smooth shooter I wouldn't say that it had less than my M&P. The trigger pull was very good and the P7 is very, very accurate. I have been doing drills with my M&P for months to improve my shooting and I easily outshot my M&P with the P7. (Thats actually a bit frustrating) Here is a breakdown of my impressions of the P7 so far.

Pros:
Nice trigger pull, very accurate, and a low bore axis so recoil is very manageable. The squeeze coking mechanism is really cool. It is hard enough to press to keep from doing it inadvertently but not so hard to negatively effect shooting. The P7 is very safe to handle and shoot. I have short fingers and the mag catch and slide release can be an issue with most weapons. I never had to change my grip on my shooting hand on the P7. Reloading is very fast and there seems to be fewer motions involved even with the heel mag release. The P7 is also very slim, much slimmer than my M&P. It has a much smaller profile in the holster then my M&P has also. The M&P is slightly shorter in the grip with the shorter magazine in place but the P7 gives you a full grip and a very high one at that.

Cons.
The P7 is small but a bit heavy BUT the difference in loaded weight between my P7 and M&P feels very small. The biggest con for me is that mags are selling at 50 bucks each. That truly sucks. It is going to cost me another 100 bucks for mags, 60 bucks for a holster from Peters Custom Holsters, and another 100 bucks for night sights. That kind of adds up on the total cost of the weapon but I would still say it was worth it. Lastly the slide lock to lock the slide back manually is a joke. It is very hard to operate compared to most. I don't see how that would effect it as a carry gun however.

Here are some pics comparing the M&P 9C and the P7. Note that in the pic from the top the P7 looks longer. This is an optical illusion from how they were sitting. They are actually the same length.

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jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 08:39 AM
I posted a video of my first we shots. It was cold, my hands were cold, and my feet were cold. I wasn't shooting up to par. I only shot about 50 rounds with the P7 but it functioned 100%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mz_nKEBGog

usp9
December 14, 2008, 08:44 AM
Congratulations, a nice looking P7 indeed.

The recoil can be effected by two factors, the ammo used (naturally), and the cleanliness of the gas system, the tube in particular.

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 08:54 AM
I'm comparing the recoil to the pistols I have shot and the M&P I fired back to back with it. The ammo used was WWB 115gr FMJ and Federal HST 124gr. The cleanliness of the gas pistol should be a non-issue as I doubt more than a magazine full has ever been fired through this weapon before now. I gave it an initial cleaning, light oil, and inspection before I headed to the range so it was cleaned an lubed before shooting. The M&P with its polymer frame and wide comfortable grip has little recoil and muzzle flip also. I would say the P7 was better than average in those regards but not as much so as I had expected. I'll have to see how it feels in a more extended shooting session when I get some magazines for it.

Pilot
December 14, 2008, 08:59 AM
P7's are great. Nice write up. Save your money on the night sites. That will reduce your total cost. Mags are expensive, but remember you got a great deal on the P7. P7M8's are selling for $1,200 - $1,400.

Highland Ranger
December 14, 2008, 09:03 AM
Nice. I always wanted one. Didn't realize that CDNN had some in again. Where are they from? How much $$$$?

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 09:07 AM
They range from 589 for the "good to excellent", 599 for the plum slide like mine, and up to 679 for the two tone.

Pilot, I know what your saying but if the P7 gets promoted to carry gun I really like night sights. My M&P wears Ameriglo night sights and it make a lot of difference finding the sights in low light and 99% of the time when I'm carrying it is at night. It will be worth the extra cash to me. Granted it is last on the list after extra mags and a holster though and I'll carry it without the night sights if I truly do shoot better with it than with my M&P.

CCR
December 14, 2008, 09:36 AM
The HK P7 PSP's are a good value. MAny people say once you shoot one you will never want to shoot anything else. Enjoy

PX15
December 14, 2008, 09:39 AM
jon:

Congratulations on your new P7.

I bought my CDNN P7 earlier in the year, and was so pleased I bought two more. The P7 is without a doubt the most accurate 9mm pistol I've ever owned, or fired... Gotta love that.

As to the price of the mags? I don't think $50.00 is that big of a deal. Take a moment to examine the HK P7 mags and you will find out they are extremely well built, and of top quality materials. Considering how unique and desirable the HK P7 is I didn't give a 2nd thought to the price of the extra mags, I was more worried about the declining supply of extra mags.

Each of my CDNN P7's came with one mag, I bought a total of 6 extra so I have three for each P7. I don't anticipate ever needing any more, and if I ever (or my heir's) sell the P7's they can always sell the extra mags separately if the buyer doesn't want them..

The six extra mags I bought from CDNN were "used" but I like them because they are date coded which shows they were original production from the same period as the pistols (in my case 1980-81) and I like that. Add the original cardboard boxes to the "A" grade pistols, three original mags for each and when I die my Son (the computer expert) can sell them all for a used video game... :barf:

Mags for my 3rd gen Smiths run $30 or so, my Bersa was $40+, my Walthers were $30 and even my Seecamps are $35.. So IMO $50 for a top quality, factory, mag for the HK P7 is not a bad deal.

I think the addition of a HK P7 to any firearm lovers little arsenal is a plus. Whether you cc it, or just plink with it, it's a desirable firearm.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8838-1.jpg

benderx4
December 14, 2008, 09:53 AM
I've got it bad:
3 P7s
2 P7M8s
1 P7M13

Yea, I kinda like that amazing piece of German engineering. I'm almost glad they heat up at the range otherwise I'd go broke on ammo.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/2979389586_007a8bfc3b.jpg?v=0

usp9
December 14, 2008, 10:13 AM
I'm almost glad they heat up at the range otherwise I'd go broke on ammo.


Honest words by a true cultist. :D

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 02:10 PM
I listed the price of the mags as a downside but thats only because they can be had cheaper for other weapons. Even a high quality mag for a 1911 can be had for 20 bucks. So that has to fall in the CONS column. You may have noticed also the CONS side of the house was pretty brief. I really liked the P7. I've often said that I can't imagine how good a gun would have to be to replace my M&P on my hip. The P7 is good enough that after one short range session I'm seriously considering it for the job. I need the mags and holster to do some shooting and make a final decision but I think the M&P is going to get demoted to the second string. Poor thing.

chris in va
December 14, 2008, 02:12 PM
Y'all are evil. Eeeeevil.

AZGlock13
December 14, 2008, 03:32 PM
Congrats on the P7PSP! Great looking pistol you have there. The finish on yours looks almost like new, mine has a few scratches and minor holster wear here and there. Yep, they are little heavy as a carry weapon, but no worse than a Sig or 1911. I carry mine in a BladeTech Kydex IWB holster. The HK P7 series of guns are very nice to carry and shoot. I bought three extra mags (mine came with one as well) on Gunbroker months ago for about $150 plus shipping, which is right on par with the $50 a mag you are finding. I'm glad I bought them though (no regrets). I have been toying with the idea on getting some night sights (some Trijicons) for mine as well (I'm still on the fence if I really need to or not, though I do have night sights on all my other carry pistols). I have a S&W M&P compact in .40S&W, instead of your 9mm and you are right, they are both great carry guns. Mine is dated 9/83 on the slide, what date does your P7PSP show? Here are a few pics of my P7PSP next to my Sig P239 DAK 9mm and my CZ P-01, which I enjoy carrying as well.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/AZGlock13/HK%20P7PSP/P7PSP-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/AZGlock13/HK%20P7PSP/P7PSP-2.jpg

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 07:46 PM
Mine is marked 10/85. The grip screws were the only flaws on the whole weapon. The bluing was a little bare on the screws but the rest of the weapon looked brand new. No holster wear or scratches at all. The front of you P01 looks HUGE compared to the P7. The loaded weight of my P7 doesn't seem much more than my M&P 9C with 12 rounds in it. It is a lot slimmer though and I think it will ride very nicely in a good holster.

From what I've read about night sights on the P7 is that HK used something like 6 different front sight heights and the chances of getting the correct one with aftermarket night sights is a crap shoot. It seems having the lamps installed in your existing sights or a set of adjustable night lights like the ones from MMC is the hot ticket.

Px15, You really have too many mags. I feel bad for you. PM me and I'll give my address so you can send some to me. Its no problem really.

Lone_Gunman
December 14, 2008, 09:01 PM
I had a P7 for a while, and didn't like it.

benderx4
December 14, 2008, 09:08 PM
It's an acquired taste, but once you've taken that big bite, shooting just "regular" pistols isn't quite the same anymore.

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 09:24 PM
I was convinced after the first mag. The last mag really hit me when I fired 5 rounds from my M&P and then 5 rounds from my P7 and the group was half the size with the P7. Like it or not if its reliable and I shoot better with it, it is going to get the nod for CCW.

Lone_Gunman
December 14, 2008, 09:29 PM
Like it or not if its reliable and I shoot better with it, it is going to get the nod for CCW.

I don't want to prejudice you, but its going to be harder than you think to CCW a P7.

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 09:47 PM
Really? Its about the same weight as my M&P yet it has a much smaller profile in the waistband. It is slimmer and the mags are slimmer. What exactly is going to make it more difficult to CCW? I"ve carried my Makarov which has a very similar weight and profile. It caused no problems.

Lone_Gunman
December 14, 2008, 09:54 PM
Its has a short barrel/forend, so not a lot for a holster to hold on to, and a big bulky grip that pulls the gun down and back. It balances poorly in a holster.

usp9
December 14, 2008, 10:29 PM
Its has a short barrel/forend, so not a lot for a holster to hold on to, and a big bulky grip that pulls the gun down and back. It balances poorly in a holster.


That is not my experience. A properly made holster carries the P7 just as well as any other pistol. I use one made by KD Holsters, and the gun is balanced just fine, thank you.

Lone_Gunman, are you talking about a particular holster you've used?

Lone_Gunman
December 14, 2008, 10:32 PM
If it works for you, then no problem.

There are several models of holsters that Milt Sparks will not make for the reason I have outlined above. If you don't believe me, call them and ask.

medic_guns
December 14, 2008, 10:37 PM
Meh, you should've bought a .45

9mm only stuns people a little.

jon_in_wv
December 14, 2008, 10:47 PM
I think it will be fine. I've tried it in my M&Ps holster and even though it doesn't fit right it still felt fine.

benderx4
December 14, 2008, 10:51 PM
Like any other good carry gun, the gun itself is only half the equation - the other half being a quality piece of leather to place it in. As for P7s, I would recommend:

Matt del Fatti
Mitch Rosen
TTGunleather
Kydex
Uncle Mike
Safariland
Bianchi

The list goes on and on ..... like Jon mentioned, the P7 is a very thin gun and carries very well on the hip with a quality holster.

Lone_Gunman
December 14, 2008, 11:27 PM
I agree you may be fine. It all boils down what you are willing to accept.

xx7grant7x
December 15, 2008, 01:35 AM
3 P7s
2 P7M8s
1 P7M13

Where's your M10?

benderx4
December 15, 2008, 08:14 AM
Just a matter of time .......

(Although I recently got rid of my last .40SW, which was a sweet-shooting Sig P229. I thought I was done with that caliber, but if a sweet deal on a M10 were to arise ............)

jon_in_wv
December 15, 2008, 06:07 PM
Lone Gunman, you act like I would be settling for something but I don't agree. You said the P7 was too heavy in the handle and too short barreled and that may be the case for your body type and it isn't going to sit as deeply in the waist like a 1911 would. A weapon with a longer barrel like a 1911 or a HP, guns I have also carried, aer very forgiving of the leather you can use. The shorter barreled weapons are much less forgiving of not having a proper holster. I learned with my M&P that regular holsters that worked well with some weapons were abysmal with my M&P. Check my thread on the Peters Custom Holsters. With shorter barreled weapons you need a holster with outboard attachments that stabilize the weapon on your belt. A Comptac CTAC or Peters holster will help it a lot. I wouldn't try to carry it in a holster with one clip or or belt loops on the centerline of the holster as it would do just as you say. You can drop a 1911 in your waistband and it will carry comfortably. Shorter barreled weapons like the P7, Glock 26, M&P Compact just aren't that easy. The P7 is much slimmer than my M&P and while it does carry more weight in the grip (debatable without 8 rounds vs 12 in the magazine) its slimmer profile will let it sit with its centerline closer to my body so I think it has the advantage there.
Or did you mean I'm willing to accept better accuracy? Better shootability? If it beats my M&P in those regards than I'll do what I have to do to carry it comfortably. Getting fast, reliable hits is my first priority and so far the P7 is a beast in that regard. I have yet to do some extended shooting with it but I ordered two more mags last night and I'm trying to get ahold of Greg Peters to make a holster for it. I'll keep you guys informed what I find out about the P7.
LG if your right, I'll be the FIRST one to tell you that your right. But I'm not going to be prejudiced my one mans opinion. Not that I don't respect it as I certainly do but I'm stubborn that way.

Bender, thanks for the holster suggestions. I'm going to try Greg Peters first. I really love the holster he made for my M&P. I still have his holster for my 1911 but I have no 1911! If one of you guys wants it you are welcome to it.

Lone_Gunman
December 15, 2008, 06:49 PM
If it works for you, go for it.

CZF
December 15, 2008, 07:02 PM
My M&P Compact doesn't point awkward for me or heat up horribly after firing a few mags. Nor dies it feel heavy and clunky.

I think it a much better and even safer gun than the P7.

Even the German Police have dropped the P7 and went to more
modern and safer designs after years of accidents with the PSP/P7M8.

Of which only a few states ever issued them. They were not
the universal German cop gun like some people would like you to believe.

jon_in_wv
December 15, 2008, 07:13 PM
such as...........

benderx4
December 15, 2008, 07:15 PM
Jon: I might be picking up a 5" SA TRP 1911 in the near future and might be interested in your holster if you're serious.

As for the P7s, they do heat up A LOT! The M8 is not so bad as the "PSP" due to the heat shield. I can normally shoot close to 100 rounds before I'm burning my fingers. If I'm in a "gunfight" for that long, I've got bigger problems to think about, and even a 19 round XDm isn't going to help me.


P.S. Nor dies it feel heavy and clunky. Sorry, but I can't leave this one alone. Heavy and clunky? Hmmm, but any 1911 or 75B or 97 or RAMI or almost any other CZ product feels what? Lightweight and feathery? Please. Glocks and HKs get a bad rap for being Tupperware and now all steel guns get a bad rap for being heavy and clunky? As for a M&P being safer than a squeeze cocker weapon? Again, as much as I respect the entire line of CZ and S&W weapons, I can't think of one safer to CCW than a P7. Just my 2 cents.

jon_in_wv
December 15, 2008, 07:20 PM
I agree. I didn't notice any heating up but then I only fired what you saw in the video I posted and it was damned cold outside. When I get my mags for it I'm going to throw 100 rounds down range and see what happens.
If your 1911 doesn't have a rail this holster should fit it nicely. PM your address to me and I'll mail it off to you. Merry Christmas!

+1 on the M&P CZF. My M&P is a fantastic weapon. The bar is set really high if the P7 is going to outperform it in my hands. I have to really do some shooting with it before I make that decision. My M&P 9C has been my trusted companion for some time now.

jon_in_wv
December 16, 2008, 11:07 PM
I received an email from CDNN today with this listing in it. I would jump on this one guys.

HK P7PSP 9mm Plum Slide 1-8rd Mag Box
Like New Condition
#HKPA $499.99

AZGlock13
December 17, 2008, 02:27 PM
Yep, I got the same e-mail last night and thought the same thing. If I didn't have a P7PSP already, I would be all over that.

jon_in_wv
December 17, 2008, 03:33 PM
I wonder if it is a typo though. The Plum slide one I bought was 599. Still a great deal though. I see a lot of the supposedly A rated P7s selling for 700+ and they say it has scratches or holster wear. Mine was 599 and it was practically new with NO scratches and NO holster wear.

RippinSVT
December 18, 2008, 06:09 AM
I have been looking HARD at one here locally. It's used (but perfect), all blued with 4 magazines, all original box/papers, for like $1100, and I think it's an M8 iirc.

Is that a good deal? I'm a poor college student who just bought his first "expensive," $600+, handgun (Sig 228 with Lasergrips)...but I think some student loan money would be well spent here... :)

sandmatt
December 18, 2008, 08:31 AM
Smoking deal on a P7M8 with 4 mags in condition described.

benderx4
December 18, 2008, 08:29 PM
That sounds like an awesome deal on a P7M8 - exactly what I'm looking for! Go for it!

jon_in_wv
December 19, 2008, 06:33 PM
I went to the range today and rapped off another 100 rounds with my PSP. I had to do it with one magazine since I haven't gotten any new ones yet but still the shooting went great. The PSP is a ridiculously accurate weapon. I'm sure the only factor limiting this weapon is my ability to shoot. It is still 100% reliable. The only drawback is the gas system does make the chamber and mags pretty dirty but it runs fine. I fired the 100 rds pretty quickly to see how hot it got and while it did get pretty warm it was no where close to hot enough to cause any discomfort. The PSP is a great shooter and I really like the squeeze cocker. It is very safe to handle while still having a good SA trigger. The trigger is remarkably similar to the Glocks trigger in my opinion. I have heard some rumblings about keeping the trigger cocked and walking around with a hair trigger but that is just not the case. If you practice prudent gun handling and keep you finger off the trigger like you are supposed to you will be fine. Otherwise I would consider it no less safe than a Glock when the cocker is depressed. When you release the cocker you have an even safer weapon. I really like this weapon. The only criticism I have of it is that I would prefer slightly taller sights. I am spoiled by the Ameriglo night sights on my M&P.

benderx4
December 19, 2008, 06:54 PM
Jon, you must have calloused hands or I have baby hands. I normally have to call it quits after 100 rounds.
The P7M8 has a nice heatshield over the trigger that helps with heat protection - I'm shopping for my second one as we speak. Unfortunately, they cost almost double the PSP.
I'm looking for one in good mechanical shape but ugly in the looks department. Love to send it out to be hard chromed, throw some night sights on it (ToolTech), and then finally, some nice wood Nill grips.
Don't know if you've seen one like this, but they really do clean up nice.

jon_in_wv
December 19, 2008, 08:20 PM
Nope. I quit any manual labor over 13 years ago. I have soft hands like a chick now. Sometimes I wish I did have calloused hands. Hard work is good for the soul. So is shooting my PSP!!

jon_in_wv
January 6, 2009, 10:09 PM
I'll amend that last post. I shot about another 80 rounds this weekend and now that I have three mags it seriously did get warm by the time I was done. The top of the trigger guard and the trigger were getting pretty hot on my finger when I fired the last mag.

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