What is the most unreliable semi auto you have shot ?


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billdeserthills
February 27, 2012, 12:01 AM
Wildey Arms .475 Wildey Magnum, I still have it & it's touted as the most powerful autoloading handgun & was seen in Deathwish (don't recall which one)

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Cokeman
February 27, 2012, 12:04 AM
Show us?

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns
February 27, 2012, 06:04 AM
Your Wildey was in Death Wish 3

i had one in .45 win-mag for 2 or 3 years, not the most unreliable semi I've owned, but not even close to being the most reliable, I feel if ammo was more abundant and less expensive, or if I was into reloading, I could have tuned it better to be far more reliable. Very fun gun, if you don't like yours you can send it my way :evil:

wrangler708
February 27, 2012, 11:22 PM
Bersa Thunder .380

Like others have said, I know the majority rave but I got a lemon and Bersa service sucks.

Lee D
February 28, 2012, 03:33 PM
a Bushmaster carbon fiber pistol. went to the smith numerous times and we couldnt get it to run worth a crap.

dumbgunner
February 28, 2012, 04:39 PM
Ruger SR9. I have had no problems. Love it. I load magazine. Put magazine in gun. Pull trigger. Boom! Hole appears on paper. I clean it. It works.

JDGray
February 28, 2012, 04:43 PM
Sig Mosquitio:barf:

dumbgunner
February 28, 2012, 04:47 PM
Ive put alot of ammo through the M9 Beretta. Lots. It works.

Rented the Walther P22 at a range. Used their ammo of course. That thing jammed. FTF, FTE, WNF, WNW. POS. POd. Really liked the feel of the handle. But that thing didnt work. It could have been the fact it was a "rental." Bad ammo. Who knows. I know that it didnt work.

Put several hundred rounds through my SR9. It works. No WNWs. No FTF, FTEs, etc.
FN 40 the same. It works.

enfield303
February 28, 2012, 05:00 PM
Taurus 1911. Complete POS. Ran great for the first 50 rounds, after that jam, after jam after jam. It didnt seem to matter what i fed it. Got rid of it pretty fast.

Cokeman
February 28, 2012, 07:02 PM
Ive put alot of ammo through the M9 Beretta. Lots. It works.

Rented the Walther P22 at a range. Used their ammo of course. That thing jammed. FTF, FTE, WNF, WNW. POS. POd. Really liked the feel of the handle. But that thing didnt work. It could have been the fact it was a "rental." Bad ammo. Who knows. I know that it didnt work.

Put several hundred rounds through my SR9. It works. No WNWs. No FTF, FTEs, etc.
FN 40 the same. It works.

My P22 is 5 years old and still works great. Try another.

rchurin
February 29, 2012, 06:16 PM
AMT hardballer. I inherited it from my cop father. He said he only fired 20 rounds. This pos ftf once a mag. Sent it back twice to the factory, then had the local guru fluff and buff it. Sill no go bang every time. For sale cheep cheep

Farmalljon
February 29, 2012, 06:39 PM
For me it was a little nickel finished Raven .25 auto.

MisterNoisy
February 29, 2012, 07:13 PM
A little Phoenix HP-22 that a buddy of mine bought used for a song. That thing was just not happy in it's intended role at all, with lots of FTFs.

dumbgunner
February 29, 2012, 07:17 PM
Gonna do just that. One experience which had a few variables didnt account. Im hoping I can get a "shot" with a P22 that is not a "rental" and with quality ammo. Is there a Walther in 380 or 9mm? Again I really like the "feel" just not the operation on that one questionable experience.

rem44m
February 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
It's a toss up between a Cobra 380 and a Diamondback 380. Both failed to feed and or eject every other round and often times EVERY round. Both were completely worthless!

Cokeman
February 29, 2012, 11:42 PM
Gonna do just that. One experience which had a few variables didnt account. Im hoping I can get a "shot" with a P22 that is not a "rental" and with quality ammo. Is there a Walther in 380 or 9mm? Again I really like the "feel" just not the operation on that one questionable experience.

Oh yeah. Walther Website (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13152&content=11001)

.380s

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/cat_page_pk380_tech_lg.jpg

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/cat_page_ppk_tech_lg.jpg

9MMs

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/cat_page_pps_tech_lg.jpg

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/cat_page_ppq_tech_lg.jpg

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/cat_page_P99_tech_lg.jpg

lskidder
March 7, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jennings and Bryco .22--both totally unreliable beyond a single shot!

TAJS
March 7, 2012, 01:26 AM
I hate to say it because I have had nothing but great luck with all their other products but the most unreliable auto I have owned and fired was a CZ 2075 Rami. I couldn't get through a box of ammo without at least a half dozen FTE's.

jyoung
March 9, 2012, 10:00 PM
Para Ordnance Carry 12. FTFs, FTEs, stovepiped a live round, bullet end up. Changed mag springs and polished feed ramp and chamber. Much better now but I would never trust it with my life.

dbro822
March 9, 2012, 10:11 PM
Start the flames right now, Colt 1911!!, it is a Officer's ACP 45 cal. Still have it, just can't part with it yet but I'm ready too. Just doesn't seem to matter what I try to feed it, it either will not feed or will not extract.

His
March 10, 2012, 01:26 AM
In my experience, whether at the range, shooting with friends or qualifying for carry permit, the most unreliable handgun I've seen is the 1911. I have a Colt 1911 and of all my firearms it is the only one I wish I had not bought. People simply love this old warhorse. I don't get it but that's okay.

50 million people can't be wrong!

WinThePennant
March 10, 2012, 01:27 AM
in my experience, whether at the range, shooting with friends or qualifying for carry permit, the most unreliable handgun i've seen is the 1911. I have a colt 1911 and of all my firearms it is the only one i wish i had not bought. People simply love this old warhorse. I don't get it but that's okay.

50 million people can't be wrong!
+1,000,000,000

meanmrmustard
March 10, 2012, 09:43 AM
Biggest POS I've owned was a Walther P22. Wouldn't bet a dime it would go through an entire mag problem free.

Had a Hi Point 9mm. Ran like a top, ugly as sin.

Had a Sigma...miss that one.

Just yesterday got a Soviet Commemorative CZ 75B, only 20 rounds fired (4 at factory, 16 admittedly by LGS owner) with low serial number 248 of 999 made). It will be unreliable, as I will prolly never fire it. :banghead:

larryh1108
March 10, 2012, 09:58 AM
only 20 rounds fired (4 at factory, 16 admittedly by LGS owner) with low serial number 248 of 999 made). It will be unreliable, as I will prolly never fire it.

Well, since it's already been shot then you need to put many thousand downrange to make sure it works properly before retiring it! It's like dating a super model but not wanting to touch her because you may mess up her hair. Now, if it was still a virgin....

qcsmitty
March 10, 2012, 10:54 AM
.25 cal pearl handle my dad had years ago.

Stooges
March 10, 2012, 11:04 AM
Ruger SR9c. It was basically a single shot gun. Failed to feed every time. No matter what ammo I used. Three different magazines, same result. Lots of people say good things about the gun, and tell me I must have just gotten a bad one. It was the worst.

243winxb
March 10, 2012, 11:56 AM
LLama 45 acp or 44 AutoMag.

SFsc616171
March 10, 2012, 06:19 PM
The pistol in my hand, with a weak magazine spring. If you start getting many stovepipes, FTF's, FTE's, or no slide lock, check your magazines. It's cheaper to replace a bad magazine, found that way on the range, than on the street!

Rifleman Harris
March 10, 2012, 06:55 PM
Kimber Ultra Tactical, Tripp and Wilson magazines didn't help.

I have several other 1911's including a Kimber Classic and none of them give problems.

grayhambone
March 10, 2012, 07:23 PM
kahr cw 40

fte
fte
ftf(feed)
ftf(feed)
failure to lock after empty

MCgunner
March 10, 2012, 07:27 PM
In my case, a little Beretta Minx.

Cokeman
March 10, 2012, 09:14 PM
Biggest POS I've owned was a Walther P22. Wouldn't bet a dime it would go through an entire mag problem free.

Had a Hi Point 9mm. Ran like a top, ugly as sin.

Had a Sigma...miss that one.

Just yesterday got a Soviet Commemorative CZ 75B, only 20 rounds fired (4 at factory, 16 admittedly by LGS owner) with low serial number 248 of 999 made). It will be unreliable, as I will prolly never fire it. :banghead:

Mine was awesome again today.

guyfromohio
March 10, 2012, 09:15 PM
Browning HiPower circa 2003ish. Garbage. Sorry fans.

meanmrmustard
March 11, 2012, 10:27 AM
[B]Cokeman[B] , I applaud your good fortune with the Walther P22. I do believe in the proverbial lemon, but with QC being what it is today, IMHO the P22 is a sad addition to the 22 cal pistol market. Myself, a buddy, and a few others on this thread may agree. However, you are lucky in your ownership of one that doesn't suck. I tried to like it, and loved the feel of it in my hand (comfy grip angle), but it must have not liked me. So, several hundred rounds wIth many FTEs and choice four letter words later, it was traded and hopefully found a more patient home. They should have a ranch for abandoned P22s...

MCgunner
March 11, 2012, 10:35 AM
Just bought an SR22 yesterday. I prefer the machined aluminum slide to zamak. I haven't shot it, yet, so no braggin' till I do. :D

Ankeny
March 11, 2012, 01:47 PM
Believe it or not, a NIB Springfield EMP in 9mm. A whole laundry list of problems. Bummer.

Cokeman
March 11, 2012, 05:16 PM
[B]Cokeman[B] , I applaud your good fortune with the Walther P22. I do believe in the proverbial lemon, but with QC being what it is today, IMHO the P22 is a sad addition to the 22 cal pistol market. Myself, a buddy, and a few others on this thread may agree. However, you are lucky in your ownership of one that doesn't suck. I tried to like it, and loved the feel of it in my hand (comfy grip angle), but it must have not liked me. So, several hundred rounds wIth many FTEs and choice four letter words later, it was traded and hopefully found a more patient home. They should have a ranch for abandoned P22s...

That's too bad. I've seen several people say that theirs didn't work worth a crap and helped them get their gun working with a simple ammo change. I'm not saying it would have fixed your problem but it has helped many others. I now recommend Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs right away to any new owner or anyone experiencing problems. It's helped many people avoid or eliminate any issues.

Trad Archer
March 11, 2012, 06:13 PM
Glock

horsearcherwannabe
March 11, 2012, 06:47 PM
Jennings 25.
It was a POS but it was all my friend could afford. A couple of us work on it a bit. It would run, mostly, with winchester. That jennings POS may well have saved her life. It fired ONE time. The gentleman robbing her, decided that her purse was enough, after all and ran away. We found a used S&W snub for her after that event.

RickMD
March 11, 2012, 06:47 PM
All the ones I've tinkered with, feeling that I knew better than the manufacturer...

The War Wagon
March 11, 2012, 06:58 PM
Norinco 1911. Hunk... O... Crap. :fire:

Bought it NiB back in February of 1993. Started jamming on the second mag. Of HARDBALL. :mad:

Couldn't sell it FAST enough....

itchy1
March 11, 2012, 10:25 PM
Zastava EZ 40. What a POS! Read several good reviews on the web and decided to take the chance. Bad gamble. Thing won't even chamber a round, they keep getting stuck at the bottom of the feed ramp. What a waste of time and money.

velojym
March 11, 2012, 10:59 PM
The only semiauto I've had any trouble with was a new Springfield 1911 micro-compact.

But... after exercising the mag springs a few times, the failures disappeared.

daveinvegas
March 12, 2012, 05:36 AM
Universal Arms Enforcer .30 carb.

makarovnik
March 12, 2012, 07:02 AM
1. Auto Ordnance 1911A1

2. PA-63

Both gone now.

Jonah71
March 12, 2012, 03:12 PM
Jennings and an old 80's llama .45.

ruger1228
March 12, 2012, 03:36 PM
Early Ruger LCP. A real POS. Worst Ruger firearm I ever owned. Goes right in same junk bin with the Sig P238 Equinox I owned. Could crap on one and cover it with the other.

jman74
March 12, 2012, 04:04 PM
Kimber CDP. Didn't matter what ammo. Two trips back and then traded in.

Tim37
March 12, 2012, 04:06 PM
my pre kahr tompson
my newer kahr version cycles great.

gamboolman
March 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
Kahr PM-9

Got full refund from Kahr factory after spending lots on ammo and lots time.

JM Browning
March 14, 2012, 10:38 PM
How do sell these guns that are pos, as you say?

ApacheCoTodd
March 15, 2012, 01:49 PM
Responding to another post finally nudged my memory to offer an opinion on this topic. Without question, the least reliable semi-auto I've dealt with is the Olympic OA-93/96/98 series of AR pistols.

After rebuilding them they could be made to run just fine but outa the boxes - what pooh machines they were.

gregj
March 15, 2012, 02:52 PM
Kimber Warrior. Traded for it, was very, very lightly used, doubt the original owner put more than a box through it. It would 3-pt jam after every 2 or 3 rounds in every mag, and would NOT load - at all - my 200gr SWC hand loads, even after changing mag to a Chip McCormic mag. After I gave it some loving (ok, a lot of loving/tuning), it runs like a scalded ape and eats anything.

CDR_Glock
March 16, 2012, 01:19 AM
Diamondback firearms DB9.

Worst gun ever designed.


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Bammac
March 17, 2012, 03:50 AM
Cobray M11/9.

Brand new, handed it to my oldest brother at the range- He was new to shooting.

After 2 rounds it went full auto, almost took off his fingers.

I had to convince the RangeMaster it was not my doing, but a malfunction. He was, needless to say, unamused.

It was given to me brand new, in the box, unfired, in payment of a debt.

nater762
March 17, 2012, 05:30 AM
G19 gen 4 of my buddies last summer. They sent him a new spring and now it's like Old Faithful.

fivejades
March 17, 2012, 10:28 AM
Out of the box 1911. The inherent quality of 1911s is that you have to make it reliable to be reliable and you can not expect a perfect 1911 out of the box. Once tuned by a good gunsmith, it could perform perfectly well....but not as reliable as the M9. I own both 1911 and M9.

larryh1108
March 17, 2012, 11:22 AM
Out of the box 1911. The inherent quality of 1911s is that you have to make it reliable to be reliable and you can not expect a perfect 1911 out of the box.

I totally disagree with this statement. This is pure internet lore.

tglazier
March 17, 2012, 11:24 AM
Here is interesting fact that I cannot explain regarding Sig Sauer Mosquito: it will always cycle with any type of .22 lr ammunition as long as the last round loaded on top of the clip is a CCI HP! Try it. My results have been duplicated with a friend's Mosquito. Any explanation for this? Literally, the top round makes difference that entire clip fire/cycle flawlessly every time.

Denny Crane
March 25, 2012, 06:08 AM
Back in the late 70's the AMT .22 Backup was a true jamamatic.

wristtwister
March 25, 2012, 10:03 AM
Not meaning to insult anybody, but I wonder how many of the problems mentioned in this thread are problems other than "the gun". Magazines often cause the loading and FTF problems in guns, and junky feed ramps cause lots of the loading problems. I've got a lot of the guns mentioned in these posts, and they all seem to run fine and put lead downrange for me... even the "classic" junk guns... FEG's, Tanfoglio clones, etc. .

I buy most of my guns "used" and if I can, talk to the previous owner and listen to the problems they had. When I hear how they "tried to fix" some of the problems, I know exactly where to go to get it running correctly. Guns are mechanical devices, and when they fit correctly, they usually run correctly. I've found dozens of extractors incorrectly mounted, bent magazines, dinged feed ramps, etc. that were simple to fix and viola... I had a gun that ran flawlessly.

Working in a gun shop, it's easy to take a gun apart and look to see if there is a problem actually existing, or if the owner just doesn't know what's going on. Many times, they bring guns back in that haven't had enough rounds through them to "break them in"... and most of the time, I send them back out with a couple of boxes of ammo to "finish the job". About 80-85% of them come back and tell me the gun "is now working perfectly". The initial exam often shows up the dinged feed ramps and dinged up magazines... which, when polished with use or replaced, let the gun run correctly.

If they're actually broken, we send them back to the factory, who want to record the problems and fix their assembly processes or designs... but most of the problems aren't design problems... and anybody can screw up an assembly of "bin" parts for a particular piece of equipment.

I've got the Llama .380's, Tangfolio clones, S&W 39, EAA witness 10MM, and a host of others that were declared "junk" here, but run like a sewing machine when I'm shooting mine. Yes, they might have jammed up or had a problem, but rather than cursing it out and throwing it away, I fixed the problems and now they run fine.

The only real piece of junk I've ever had was a Zastava M-88 that I never could get to run correctly... and that was (I think) a warped frame problem, because I did hours worth of work on it, and never could get it to function... but it wasn't bought with high expectations. It was a cheap gun and didn't have a lot going for it out of the box. I've seen other M-88's that ran fine, I just happened to get the one that was junk. Maybe, it was just "my turn".

Seriously, I think any gun that isn't destroyed is fixable, and for the most part, the problems are simple to fix. Make sure it's put together correctly first, that the parts fit and are working (magazines), and that you've run enough ammo through it to clean out the "manufacturing flash" that's left in the rails and parts, and you'll find a world of difference. Most manufacturers recommend sending 200 rounds through the gun before sending it back to the factory (unless obvious flaws, like broken extractors occur), and then give it a good cleaning and make sure you shoot the type ammo the gun likes.

WT

larryh1108
March 25, 2012, 11:15 AM
I totally agree, wristtwister. Everything you've stated is right on. I love buying guns that are "no good" and with a little cleaning, tweaking or whatever, make it run like a top.

...and make sure you shoot the type ammo the gun likes.

So true. I don't understand how some guys get so bent because their Gun X will fire 99% of the ammo out there but won't shoot Brand X, grain Y, ogive Z reliably. They'll cuss it out, call it junk and sell it for a loss. It can be 100% reliable with any other brand but that one and they can't accept that.

I am surprised as well at some of the proven reliable guns in this thread but it does go to show you that everybody makes an occasional lemon. Machining parts get worn and the last batch made by a cutter may have been sloppy before they replaced it. The company that made it should toss that batch out but many don't and that's where problems show up. If a machine part can make 10,000 units before it's no good then maybe they should replace it at 8,000 instead of 10,000. Why risk QC for the last 500 or so? Is it cost effective to have to do warranty work on that last batch or to lose a loyal customer? Penny wise and dollar foolish causes many problems. I'm sure the cost to replace worn machine parts is expensive but it can be more expensive to lose customers in the long run.

History.Doc
March 25, 2012, 03:37 PM
Walther p22. I'd never seen anything like it.

Jaymo
March 25, 2012, 03:46 PM
Unfortunately, a large number of gun owners know absolutely nothing about guns.

conhntr
March 25, 2012, 05:28 PM
Wrister with todays economy im not sure your recomendations are reasonable.

So a workin man wants a personal defense gun. Finds himself a

brand x = 600$
Shoot 200 "break in rounds"= 50-100$
Make sure the magazines are reliable and buy replacements if neccessary=0-100$
Find the brand of carry ammo it likes run each mag several times to test function= 50$
if it doesnt "like" the first brand repeat until you find one it does "like"= 0-150$
Gunsmith time is about 50$ per hour plus getin the gun to/from them...

So 700$-1000$+++ to get something that should run right out pf the box. No gun should require "break-in" and should run with in-spec ammo. If not it is a poorly designed or made gun

MCgunner
March 25, 2012, 06:01 PM
Don't like the auto routine, you can always carry a revolver. I shoot enough through a new revolver to check accuracy. Function is not at question.

I totally agree, wristtwister. Everything you've stated is right on. I love buying guns that are "no good" and with a little cleaning, tweaking or whatever, make it run like a top.

Well, I thought that when a friend had that Beretta Minx he couldn't make run. AH, I says to myself, "he's a moron, I can make it run". :rolleyes: I didn't pay much for it, sold it at a slight profit to a dealer at a local gun show. Didn't feel bad that i stiffed the dealer, either. I tried several types of ammo, messed with the feed lips on the mag, this and that. Came to the conclusion it was just a POS and not worth messing with. I didn't wanna try sending it to the manufacturer or anything. I let someone else mess with that. I ain't that high on .22 short autos, anyway. To this day, I won't buy that design. No extractor virtually assures it'll at LEAST be ammo picky to the max and, well, they ain't exactly plinking accurate, either. :rolleyes:

CountGlockulla
March 25, 2012, 07:11 PM
Para Ordnance

jad0110
March 25, 2012, 08:29 PM
Taurus 908 9mm. The ejector sheered off and lodged in the slide rail. Completely froze the gun up. The slide may as well have been welded to the frame.

FM12
March 27, 2012, 12:08 AM
Sterling .22LR Jammamatic.

asia331
March 27, 2012, 01:00 AM
Anybody else notice there are 4 Kimbers on the first page of this list?

Oh yes indeed Bensdad.

Big_John1961
March 27, 2012, 02:32 AM
Kahr P380, bar none. It's a piece of junk as far as I'm concerned.

Cokeman
March 28, 2012, 02:18 AM
Mine's not. :neener:

meanmrmustard
March 28, 2012, 06:29 AM
Wrister with todays economy im not sure your recomendations are reasonable.

So a workin man wants a personal defense gun. Finds himself a

brand x = 600$
Shoot 200 "break in rounds"= 50-100$
Make sure the magazines are reliable and buy replacements if neccessary=0-100$
Find the brand of carry ammo it likes run each mag several times to test function= 50$
if it doesnt "like" the first brand repeat until you find one it does "like"= 0-150$
Gunsmith time is about 50$ per hour plus getin the gun to/from them...

So 700$-1000$+++ to get something that should run right out pf the box. No gun should require "break-in" and should run with in-spec ammo. If not it is a poorly designed or made gun
Spot on.

BBDartCA
March 28, 2012, 10:50 AM
EAA Witness until I put the right mags in it

njcioffi
March 28, 2012, 05:00 PM
Hands down: Walther PPKs by Smith and Wesson. I wanted to love it SOOO MUCH. But it was terrible.

brnmuenchow
March 28, 2012, 05:16 PM
So far I have not come across too many auto loading pistols with relibility issues. My father once had a Taurus copy of the Beretta 92 that had some issues several years ago, but I think he said it had to do with the magazines. The only other semi-auto pistol I have fired was a High- Point 916 (.9X19mm) that kept jamming up on this one girl that was at the range with us once. I had to keep clearing the jams, and really started to get annoying.

lwrkeysfisher
March 28, 2012, 07:10 PM
Colt All American 2000. It was so loose that the takedown pin kept walking out and would cause it to lock up. Never did get it to run a full mag. Sold it to a pawn shop for more than I bought it for...

BoneDigger
May 23, 2012, 03:41 PM
Mine was a Ruger LCP. Had to go back twice for extractor work.

Todd

beeb173
May 23, 2012, 05:13 PM
Kel tec pf9. It's at the factory now.

Surprised to see this many sigmas. Mine ran flawlessly. Still sold it cause of the trigger.

Too bad there isn't a running total.

atblis
May 23, 2012, 06:17 PM
Too bad there isn't a running total.
Would at least need to normalize to the number of that particular gun sold. Would be interesting though.

power5
May 23, 2012, 09:47 PM
Chippawa 1911 .22lr. Would fire maybe 2 rounds before FTE or FTF or FTB or any and every other kind of problem an auto loader can have.

bragin
May 23, 2012, 10:57 PM
kimber and colt have more than Taurus, Hmmmm.
I've had three Taurus PT 99's, two blue and one stainless. When Lethal Weapon came out in the mid 80's, when we were building a GM Plant in Kansas City, KS. My boss and I watched the movie, then I called my then father-in-law (firearms dealer) and ordered us each a 9mm. They came w/back to back serial #'s, shot just about everthing fed thru it. Then about 1992 when working in TX (Supercollider), I bought a stainless PT99 and it jammed on just about everything I ran thru the pipe. She was pretty, but pretty don't get you home.

TreeDoc
May 23, 2012, 11:02 PM
Jenning 22, a remarkable POS made from pig iron type alloy. Held 7 shots, but came apart in my hand before I got to 50.

bragin
May 23, 2012, 11:07 PM
kimber and colt have more than Taurus, Hmmmm.
I've had three Taurus PT 99's, two blue and one stainless. When Lethal Weapon came out in the mid 80's, when we were building a GM Plant in Kansas City, KS. My boss and I watched the movie, then I called my then father-in-law (firearms dealer) and ordered us each a 9mm. They came w/back to back serial #'s, shot just about everthing fed thru it. Then about 1992 when working in TX (Supercollider), I bought a stainless PT99 and it jammed on just about everything I ran thru the pipe. She was pretty, but pretty don't get you home.

flip888
May 23, 2012, 11:32 PM
My most unreliable gun was a Springfield Armory xd40sc. It would constantly FTE. Even after i had a couple smiths look at it. I traded it for a CZ75b which has been flawless. The only Springfield Armory firearm ill ever buy again is a 1911.

Teachu2
May 23, 2012, 11:48 PM
Too bad there isn't a running total.

Nope - we need a Not Running total! :D

My father-in-law owns what was the most unreliable factory-built semi-auto I've ever fired, a Beretta 92 FS. With factory 115 gr ball ammo, it would FTF or FTE 30& of the time for me, and 100% for him. Changed out the recoil spring to a 11lb and now it's 100% reliable.

turkeythigh
May 24, 2012, 12:35 AM
this crappy weird egyptian made beretta 92 knock off.

Aiko492
May 24, 2012, 12:43 AM
Kahr P380

Kiln
May 24, 2012, 12:49 AM
Jenning 22, a remarkable POS made from pig iron type alloy. Held 7 shots, but came apart in my hand before I got to 50.
I almost lol when I see these posts. They do jam but normally only come apart if the takedown button isn't seated properly.

Two guys over at the Bryco forums got 9,000+ rounds through their JA22 pistols before the slides cracked and were replaced under warranty.

horsemen61
May 24, 2012, 12:51 AM
jimnez arms 22 i got instead of a Beretta i was a kid it was a dumb mistake ill never make again.

zxcvbob
May 24, 2012, 12:52 AM
Walther P1. Nonadjustable sights are way off, and it keeps jamming (ejected round doesn't fully clear)

I think the jam might just be that I'm babying it too much with light reloads, so I haven't given up on it yet. I'll probably have to file down the front sight like on an old revolver to bring up the POI; it shoots *way* low.

Kymasabe
May 24, 2012, 12:58 AM
My early production Kel-Tec P3AT. After two trips back, it still wouldn't work. Traded it, then bought a P32 a year later that has been 100% reliable since day one.

WardenWolf
May 24, 2012, 05:04 AM
My father's Ruger Mark I. My father and I have never known this to be a reliable gun, and it's only gotten worse over the years. I'm pretty sure I've finally fixed it, though. This gun experienced virtually every kind of malfunction you can imagine. Failure to feed (traced in part to the follower rivet dragging on the inside of the grips), failure to fire (light strikes) and more. I fixed the grips by dremeling a groove in them to eliminate drag, and wound up totally respringing the whole pistol with Mark III parts and a new firing pin, fighting with it significantly as 1972 parts tolerances clashed with 2011 tolerances. I really hope that thing is fixed. It's such a pain to work on.

The gun also seems to only like CCI Mini Mags. They feed more reliably, and are much more accurate compared to standard velocity ammo. With CCI standard exposed-lead ammo, it's all over the place. With Mini Mags, it's dead-on.

Kiln
May 24, 2012, 05:10 AM
My father's Ruger Mark I. My father and I have never known this to be a reliable gun, and it's only gotten worse over the years. I'm pretty sure I've finally fixed it, though. This gun experienced virtually every kind of malfunction you can imagine. Failure to feed (traced in part to the follower rivet dragging on the inside of the grips), failure to fire (light strikes) and more. I fixed the grips by dremeling a groove in them to eliminate drag, and wound up totally respringing the whole pistol with Mark III parts and a new firing pin, fighting with it significantly as 1972 parts tolerances clashed with 2011 tolerances. I really hope that thing is fixed. It's such a pain to work on.

The gun also seems to only like CCI Mini Mags. They feed more reliably, and are much more accurate compared to standard velocity ammo. With CCI standard exposed-lead ammo, it's all over the place. With Mini Mags, it's dead-on.
That is a first. Guess there are lemons with every manufacturing company.

WardenWolf
May 24, 2012, 05:31 AM
That is a first. Guess there are lemons with every manufacturing company.
The primary problem seems to have been defective springs. All the springs in this gun were shot. The tempering on them, and the recoil spring assembly itself, seems to have been defective as they degraded significantly just sitting, without even being left compressed or cycled. The recoil spring assembly's legs were actually bent to the point that it was jamming up the bolt by dragging on the walls of the tube.

The mainspring assembly replacement created some interesting issues related to tolerances. I spoke with Ruger on the phone and confirmed that the Mark III assembly and the Mark I assembly are identical. After installing it, I could not pull the bolt to the rear. It was friction-jamming, somehow (NOT because I reinstalled the mainspring housing wrong; I know how to avoid that). Yet it appeared completely identical to the original assembly. I wound up swapping the vertical receiver strut from the old assembly into the new one. Guess what? Problem solved. I never did determine exactly how it differed that caused the jam. Visually I could not tell anything that would cause that problem.

walk soft
May 24, 2012, 06:37 AM
toss up between these two:Taurus PT709,Kahr CW40

GCBurner
May 24, 2012, 12:23 PM
Lorcin L9 in 9mm Luger. At least one failure to extract of eject on every magazine, even after a thorough cleaning and polishing. I can't complain too much, I got it pretty much for free.

zxcvbob
May 24, 2012, 08:07 PM
The mainspring assembly replacement created some interesting issues related to tolerances. I spoke with Ruger on the phone and confirmed that the Mark III assembly and the Mark I assembly are identical. After installing it, I could not pull the bolt to the rear. It was friction-jamming, somehow.

That means you didn't do the little dance correctly when you assembled it. (I have to refer to the manual *every* time I try to reinstall the bolt in my Mk II, and I still sometimes need to do it twice to get it right)

Warp
May 24, 2012, 08:42 PM
Kel-Tec P3AT (2nd gen). Sold it.

dubya450
May 24, 2012, 08:51 PM
I'm surprised to see so many Kimbers here. Both of mine are the most accurate pistols I have and haven't had an issue after ~1200 rounds. I have changed my recoil springs though. Worst was a little Davis 22 it was such a pile I was afraid to shoot it and have it blow up in my hands.

jimbo555
May 24, 2012, 09:20 PM
Lets see,we have colt,kimber,sig,hk,ruger,glock,taurus,walther and just about every other maker of semi-autos..What conclusion can we make?:evil:

larryh1108
May 24, 2012, 09:22 PM
I'm surprised to see so many Kimbers here

I think selling 75,000+ new Kimbers a year has a lot to do with it.

dmxx9900
May 24, 2012, 10:52 PM
Bought a Keltec P32 brand new and it was the most unreliable gun I have ever shot jammed constantly, and had it sent to keltec, and sold it immediately after I got it back.
Now use a Smith and wesson 642 and Glock 26 combo.
My "saturday night special" raven 25 was more reliable had no jams or any problems with it.

thub
May 25, 2012, 12:34 AM
Sig Mosquito, cheap jamming junk. Sold it for 150 and told the guy he is getting ripped off.

Jim NE
May 25, 2012, 12:49 AM
My KelTec P-11 is very reliable BUT, when I brought it home new, It wouldn't even cycle rounds into the chamber when I racked the slide, SOOOO.....

Got out the dremel and polishing compound and steel wool and 1500 grit wet sand paper. Polished the surfaces till they were shiney like chrome. And guess what???

In 800 rounds, I haven't had one jam or fail to fire. And I DON'T have to polish it all the time. Just that one time did it.

I clean it, of course.

Given that I couldn't even cycle the rounds into the chamber when it was new, however, I suspect that MY KELTEC WAS PROBABLY NO BETTER THAN ALL OF THOSE "POS" KELTECS LISTED ON THIS THREAD.

The Keltec is a tinkerer's gun. THEY HAVE TO BE BROKEN IN. Mine did, anyway. It wasn't accurate at all when it was new, either - not until I installed the mag shoe on the stock mag to lengthen the grip. (I also bought a second extended mag, which also lengthened the grip.) This gave me greater control over the snappy recoil.

I've said it before: Keltec sells you a gun that's only 95% complete - you have to polish it off to get the reliability that it's truly capable of. This is a very contrary notion to today's consumer oriented marketplace. KelTEc should either finish off/polish their guns so they work properly out of the box (and charge an extra $20), or TELL customers that they need to do it.

No, the materials aren't like top line guns. I still haven't fixed the P-11's broken last-round-slide-lock function....I'm worried if I send it in for repair they'll inadvertantly do something to wreck it's ultra reliable "mojo".

I carry my P-11 with confidence.

Warp
May 25, 2012, 12:51 AM
My KelTec P-11 is very reliable BUT, when I brought it home new, It wouldn't even cycle rounds into the chamber when I racked the slide, SOOOO.....

Got out the dremel and polishing compound and steel wool and 1500 grit wet sand paper. Polished the surfaces till they were shiney like chrome. And guess what???

In 800 rounds, I haven't had one jam or fail to fire. And I DON'T have to polish it all the time. Just that one time did it.

I clean it, of course.

Given that I couldn't even cycle the rounds into the chamber when it was new, however, I suspect that MY KELTEC WAS PROBABLY NO BETTER THAN ALL OF THOSE "POS" KELTECS LISTED ON THIS THREAD.

The Keltec is a tinkerer's gun. THEY HAVE TO BE BROKEN IN. Mine did, anyway. It wasn't accurate at all when it was new, either - not until I installed the mag shoe on the stock mag to lengthen the grip. (I also bought a second extended mag, which also lengthened the grip.) This gave me greater control over the snappy recoil.

I've said it before: Keltec sells you a gun that's only 95% complete - you have to polish it off to get the reliability that it's truly capable of. This is a very contrary notion to today's consumer oriented marketplace. KelTEc should either finish off/polish their guns so they work properly, or TELL customers that they need to do it.

No, the materials aren't like top line guns. I still haven't fixed the P-11's disabled last-round-slide-lock function....I'm worried if I send it in they'll inadvertantly do something to wreck it's ultra reliable "mojo".

I carry my P-11 with confidence.

I couldn't trust my life to a tinkerer's gun. Leave that for lazy Sunday afternoon bulls-eye or target guns.

I had three Kel-Tecs. I sold every one of them, and I won't be buying any more. Durability is also a pretty big concern I have with their guns. It seems that once rounds start adding up the "tinkerer's" aspect could suddenly come roaring back.

25cschaefer
May 25, 2012, 01:10 AM
There was a jerk in my unit, in the Army, that kept talking about how awesome his "19mm bolt action pistol," that also went "full auto," was. I went to the range with him and he pulled some MAC 10 clone out and started bragging about how fast he could shoot it. The bolt was so corroded it wouldn't cycle so you had to charge it every time, well from time to time it would cycle-semi-auto-as it should. I laughed so hard I almost peed. Of course the "19mm" came from the camo spray paint job with runs. He said he practically stole it for $500 because, "I guess technically they're illegal unless you're in the Army." It wouldn't have been so funny if the guy wasn't always talking down to people about how little they knew about firearms - after all, "Husqvarna is a Japanese company that only makes weed whackers and chainsaws, it was probably stamped that way as a joke." He said about my "weak" .270.

Jim NE
May 25, 2012, 01:12 AM
All I'm saying is this: KelTEc ISN'T polishing the internal surfaces of their guns before sending them out the door like Ruger does. I don't believe that many of the KelTec malfunctions described on this thread are design flaws per se...I believe they're final assembly/finish flaws. KelTEcs are way above Jennings or Bryco. So why don't they finish them off? I don't know. Money I guess.

If I ever get a gun that malfunctions like my Keltec did when it was new, I'm gonna take a dremel polisher to the feed ramp before I sell it off as a piece of junk. What do I have to lose? If that doesn't help, then it's history.

WardenWolf
May 25, 2012, 03:08 AM
That means you didn't do the little dance correctly when you assembled it. (I have to refer to the manual *every* time I try to reinstall the bolt in my Mk II, and I still sometimes need to do it twice to get it right)
Oh no, I did the dance correctly. And I know the difference between a friction jam and "jammed because the hammer leg is in the wrong position". When you push the mainspring housing in, you should feel spring pressure. If you do, you've got it right. If you don't, you don't. It didn't hard jam when pulling to the rear. It was definitely dragging on something.

Funny thing: I separated the upper receiver from the grip and tried it. It friction jammed with just the tube, too. And I still couldn't tell why. It was specific to that particular vertical strut.

Fishman777
May 25, 2012, 08:19 AM
My old Buckmark, which I sold, did experience a few problems from time to time. I did shoot the cheap, bulk stuff with it, but it still had a lot of FTFs. I think that the problem was mostly due to bad ammo.

The only centerfire autoloader that I've had problems with was an XD9 that I rented about 7 years ago.

It was a rental and it jammed up on me when I was intentionally trying to limp wrist it. I didn't even make through the first magazine before the round failed to enter the chamber properly.

I did the tap and rack thing, but it didn't work. I removed the magazine and it was still jammed. I had some simple cleaning tools that a gun smith made for me a while back. One of the tools was kind of like a dental pick, but a little more sturdy. After digging through my range bag I found the pick and managed to dislodge the round.

In spite of this experience, I still like XDs. For a while, I was really interested in getting an XD45 compact and/or an XDm 9. I really couldn't get this experience out of my head and just couldn't bring myself to buy an XD after this experience.

At the time, I was trying to intentionally limp wrist about 6 or 7 guns. None of the other guns had any problems with what I was doing. At the time, I also tried "limp wristing" a G17, PX4, 90-two, Sig 2022, USP, and a CZ 75b.

None of these other guns had any problems with the intentional limp wristing. I only ran about 2-3 mags worth of 9mm ammo through each gun. It was probably just bad luck that the XD9 jammed up on me.

Even though I recognized this at the time, this experience made me gravitate to revolvers. After a few more years, it sounded as though the M&P's "teething problems" were solved. There were a few documented problems with the gun early on, but it sounded as though S&W solved these issues.

Around this time, the M&P and Glock won equal contracts after succesfully completing the ATF pistol trials. After hearing this, I tried a M&P out and loved it. I went out and got an M&P 9 and a M&P 45. I haven't looked back. I even sold a few of my revolvers and don't regret a thing.

FiveFiveSixFan
May 25, 2012, 09:47 AM
Diamondback .380

rem44m
May 25, 2012, 12:34 PM
The diamondback 380 is complete junk! They call it the "mini glock" :barf:

HGUNHNTR
May 25, 2012, 12:40 PM
Desert Eagle. Both in 44 and 357. Consider it a win if you could get through a mag.

Kiln
May 25, 2012, 12:51 PM
My old Buckmark, which I sold, did experience a few problems from time to time. I did shoot the cheap, bulk stuff with it, but it still had a lot of FTFs. I think that the problem was mostly due to bad ammo.

The only centerfire autoloader that I've had problems with was an XD9 that I rented about 7 years ago.

It was a rental and it jammed up on me when I was intentionally trying to limp wrist it. I didn't even make through the first magazine before the round failed to enter the chamber properly.

I did the tap and rack thing, but it didn't work. I removed the magazine and it was still jammed. I had some simple cleaning tools that a gun smith made for me a while back. One of the tools was kind of like a dental pick, but a little more sturdy. After digging through my range bag I found the pick and managed to dislodge the round.

In spite of this experience, I still like XDs. For a while, I was really interested in getting an XD45 compact and/or an XDm 9. I really couldn't get this experience out of my head and just couldn't bring myself to buy an XD after this experience.

At the time, I was trying to intentionally limp wrist about 6 or 7 guns. None of the other guns had any problems with what I was doing. At the time, I also tried "limp wristing" a G17, PX4, 90-two, Sig 2022, USP, and a CZ 75b.

None of these other guns had any problems with the intentional limp wristing. I only ran about 2-3 mags worth of 9mm ammo through each gun. It was probably just bad luck that the XD9 jammed up on me.

Even though I recognized this at the time, this experience made me gravitate to revolvers. After a few more years, it sounded as though the M&P's "teething problems" were solved. There were a few documented problems with the gun early on, but it sounded as though S&W solved these issues.

Around this time, the M&P and Glock won equal contracts after succesfully completing the ATF pistol trials. After hearing this, I tried a M&P out and loved it. I went out and got an M&P 9 and a M&P 45. I haven't looked back. I even sold a few of my revolvers and don't regret a thing.
Ranges that rent guns are notorious for not cleaning their firearms often enough to keep them in working order. I've seen even high quality guns jamming at ranges because there was so much buildup on them they were practically converted to single shots.

Shipwreck
May 25, 2012, 01:12 PM
WORST was a Glock 17 I bought in 1993. JAMMED all the time - even sent it back and had others try it.

However, I owned 4 other Glocks after that - so, I can't say it was typical of Glocks. But that one sucked.

leftymachinist
May 25, 2012, 03:44 PM
Just like Wristwister said most firearms are dirty, not broke in properly, or fed the right ammo. Also manufacturers have to make quick high profit i.e. mass #'s of products or the stockholders cry. USA no longer has a pool of skilled crafts people to draw from for manufacturing. Community colleges want to do away with vocational programs as they are too costly and are "blue collar " related. Go to any high school, they'll tell students a four yr. degree or more is the only way. Myself I'll gladly pay good money for a well made firearm. Maybe that is why I have not purchased a new gun in decades, but i will buy an old used one.

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