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czrami9
December 17, 2008, 08:30 AM
Ok, I am in need of the following and would like suggestions/comments.

I would like a stainless 1911, checkered wood grips (can be added later if the gun is right), full-size 5" model. This gun has to be able to reliably accept a .22 conversion. Which brings me to my next point. I need a .22 conversion recommendation to go along with the gun recommendation.

I'd like to keep the gun in the $750-850 range.

Pictures are highly recommended :D

Pros and cons are recommended as well!

Thanks, I really appreciate the help.

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Olympus
December 17, 2008, 09:42 AM
Found this thread and I think I'll keep an eye on it because I was just thinking the same thing the other day about conversion kits. I've got the Taurus 1911 and I don't know which, if any, conversion kit would work for it. I also haven't heard of anyone using one on the Taurus so I'd like to hear about reliability as well.

Will Fennell
December 17, 2008, 09:51 AM
I've had good luck with the current production KIMBER Units, and the Marvel Unit 2's. Slightly better accuracy with the Marvel, but the Kimber was plenty accurate for plinking and practice.

Ben86
December 17, 2008, 10:08 AM
The only 1911 that I know is under a thousand off hand is the Taurus 1911. But, I haven't really looked into it much.

I have an Advantage Arms .22lr Conversion kit for my Glock. It is picky as hell, the only bulk ammo it shoots is Rem Golden Bullet. Other than that its absolutely flawless. It is very accurate, and functional. I assume that their 1911 kits are also nice: http://www.advantagearms.com/1911conversion_kit.html

onebigelf
December 17, 2008, 10:30 AM
I know you said stainless, but...
Para GI Expert or RIA Tactical
+
Marvel kit.

John

Rangegod
December 17, 2008, 11:16 AM
I ran a Marvel (unit 1) on a Kimber for a while and liked it so much I built a dedicated frame for it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29082&stc=1

Not only unbelievably accurate but not ammo sensitive like some of my top end 22’s have been. In fact, one of the best feeding loads is the Fed 550 bulk pack stuff from Wal-Mart that simply chokes the S&W 41.

JAC

Drail
December 17, 2008, 04:22 PM
Free advice..whatever you do don"t buy the Ciener conversion. Trust me.

robctwo
December 17, 2008, 05:03 PM
My Ciener runs good, and likes the SA Black Stainless Loaded, Friend just got a Marvel Unit 1. He had to send it back to the shop for a feed ramp issue, but we ran it the other day pretty hard. Very accurate. I bought the Platinum with adjustable sights. 15 round mags for the Ciener worked in the Marvel on a Kimber frame.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN0181.jpg

czrami9
December 17, 2008, 05:20 PM
Was that SA stainless black a limited model?

Redseal
December 17, 2008, 05:39 PM
I have a springfield stainless loaded model 1911 and use a kimber 22 conversion kit and couldn't be happier....unless Kimber come's out with a conversion kit for my EMP;)

bp78
December 17, 2008, 05:43 PM
I finally gave up and bought a dedicated frame for my Marvel Unit 2 from Fusion. Now that it's fit to the Marvel Upper, and has a light mainspring as well, it off and running 100% for now. Still not too many rounds through it, and it was more work than I expected to fit/build.

robctwo
December 17, 2008, 06:03 PM
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=18

The Black Stainless Loaded Target is a regular model, might be a bit out of your price range. SA has a regular stainless and so does S&W.

PO2Hammer
December 17, 2008, 06:20 PM
FYI, most .22 conversions fit non-ramped .45acp guns only.

Marvel is an exception, they fit most any 1911.

redneckrepairs
December 17, 2008, 06:28 PM
I have a " junk" colt xse with a kimber top end . They work .

czrami9
December 17, 2008, 06:30 PM
How much do those run, do you know? My budget for just the gun (not the gun and kit) is about 850.

redneckrepairs
December 17, 2008, 06:43 PM
I picked up my stainless xse ( used but not even broken inn ) for 600 , the kimber top end for 200 . Some say i paid too much for both LOL . I just shoot little holes and ingore them . After all my puppys whine too lol .

czrami9
December 18, 2008, 04:08 PM
What about the Sigs? Anyone heard anything good or bad about their 1911's? They sure do look good...

JoeHatley
December 18, 2008, 06:48 PM
My Ciener on a dedicated alloy frame.

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/ciener_l.jpg

It's been working great for almost 20 years. Quite accurate too...

Joe

76shuvlinoff
December 18, 2008, 07:50 PM
The Kimber conversion alone will run you nearly $300. I have one for my Raptor. No complaints

DRYHUMOR
December 18, 2008, 07:54 PM
Marvel is running a holiday special right now. 10% off. I'm going to take advantage of that this payday. :D

You might check Gunbroker for some stainless 1911's. The Colt 38 Supers are going for about 750-800.

Zach S
December 18, 2008, 08:00 PM
Ciener's customer service sucks. That's pretty much been established as fact rather than opinion.

However, he makes good products at a decent price, which is why I have a ciener conversion on a dedicated frame. All of my other options were out of my price range, backordered by the MFG, or backordered/out of stock at a vendor.

I would recommend an adjustable sight model though, no matter what brand you get...

As far as what 1911, I'm partial to series I kimbers. However I've had great luck with several others.

robctwo
December 18, 2008, 09:37 PM
SA Stainless from Bud's

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_24_794/products_id/43708

S&W Stainless from Bud's

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_39_71/products_id/11748

Ciener will run another $300 ish

mljdeckard
December 19, 2008, 01:30 AM
I've had the AA Glock kit and now I'm running the Ciener on my 1911.

Both of them took some break-in, but the AA remained much pickier about ammo. I sold it to a guy, and I talked to him recently to see how it was holding up. He doesn't shoot it often enough to really tell if it's not working well or not.

The Ciener is great. Was picky for the first 500, but now it's very slick. I use hot ammo, (stingers or velocitors,) but I think now if I built a dedicated frame for it, with lighter springs, it would cycle anything all day long. I'm considering having an extra barrel tapped for a suppressor. It's also available with 15 rd mags.

A friend of mine, who had wanted a 1911 he could put a .22 kit on went and bought a nice Para. Bad news, it has a ramped barrel. After much web surfing and opinion asking, he determined that, Marvel makes a kit for it that is more expensive, but probably worth it, Ciener SAYS they make kits for it, but they never pick up the phone, so good luck getting one.

I think my Ciener was $250, I paid for it in one week with how much I shot it.

Ken Rainey
December 19, 2008, 03:25 PM
There's a pre series II Kimber Classic Stainless on GunsAmerica for $679 from Lewis Arms...then get a Kimber .22 conversion and you're good to go.

littlelefty
December 19, 2008, 04:42 PM
My Springfield Loaded was $660 two years ago.
Then I bought a used Ciener conversion kit for $200.
Both are grreat fun.
Don't know what that setup might cost today.

WoofersInc
December 19, 2008, 05:55 PM
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/rimfire/rimfire_target/

Have you thought about a dedicated 22lr 1911? Kimber makes a complete gun in the price range you have listed. I have one and it has been an excellent performer.

Oops sorry. I just re-read and see you want a regular 1911 and 22 combo.

nad3ooo
December 19, 2008, 08:54 PM
Hi guys, love the forum- in the manual to my *brand new* SA Mil-Spec, there are specific instructions 'not' to use a .22lr conv. kit, anyone got any thoughts on this?

thanks,

-nadz

robctwo
December 19, 2008, 09:24 PM
Maybe concern about the recoil damaging the frame?

buenhec
December 20, 2008, 11:24 AM
My ciener Platinum runs great too, on an STI Spartan frame (great gun as well) Spartan is about $550 and Ciener $250.

blasternaz
January 22, 2009, 11:21 PM
Re: Ramped barrel frames, might try getting the little "adapter" Mech Tech sells for using their carbine conversions on Para wide bodies. Don't see why it wouldn't work with a .22 conversion unit.

As to them, I've several floating around. A Ciener that gave me nothing but grief until I rebuilt it, than had the firing pin break... grumble, grumble... Yea, their CS stinks, even to their dealers. Have a EAA unit for the small frame P9/Witness units that works, after a fashion and an AA unit for mid size Glocks. All work, some better than others, none are what I call "accurate", but than I'm used to high end .22's for target competition, and the greater precision their higher price entails. I try to keep that in mind while "scaring" the targets... VBG

What ever you decide, think about a seperate frame. Lighter recoil springs and hammer springs can make them much less picky about what WallyWorld has on sale this week. And some frames are cheap enough not to break the bank...

Blasternaz

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