Why do criminals prefer revolvers?


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Jimfern
December 17, 2008, 11:09 AM
I was poking around on the internet trying to figure out how many people get killed by handguns in the U.S. and saw this:
"An earlier 1985 study of 1,800 incarcerated felons showed that criminals prefer revolvers and other non-semi-automatic firearms over semi-automatic firearms"

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

The last statement made me wonder why criminals would prefer revolvers. I don't have the book referenced for that statement - James D. Wright and Peter H. Rossi (1986). ARMED AND CONSIDERED DANGEROUS: A Survey of Felons and their Firearms. Aldine De Gruyter.

I own and shoot both revolvers and semi-autos and if I were going into a situation where I thought I might have to use my weapon, I would most likely take a high capacity semi-auto with extra clips. I would appreciate anyone's comments on why this would be the case. It seems rather odd, or even flawed by my logic.

Thanks.

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jtemple
December 17, 2008, 11:15 AM
My guess is cost and availability. Maybe they're concerned about leaving spent casings at the scene of a crime, but I doubt that. Most criminals aren't that bright.

General Geoff
December 17, 2008, 11:16 AM
Criminals use what's cheap and available. It has little to do with revolvers vs autoloaders.

MikePGS
December 17, 2008, 11:18 AM
I imagine if they do prefer revolvers, it would be due to the fact that its much easier to collect your brass (ie you do nothing) than a semi, and brass could be used to link to to other shootings.

zx12rider
December 17, 2008, 11:22 AM
I would assume most stolen guns are from the elderly. IE kids stealing them from their unaware grand parents etc. It's the sad truth. I have heard storries and revolvers are more common in their collections. My grand father mostly owned revolvers and we made sure no one took advantage of him.

Jimfern
December 17, 2008, 11:31 AM
I found a summary of the book mentioned here:

http://www.rkba.org/research/wright/armed-criminal.summary.html

Based on reading the summary, it appears they buy from F&F and the "black market" or steal firearms. Given that, I wonder if there are just plain more revolvers out in the world than semis?

geronimo509
December 17, 2008, 11:31 AM
also, many criminals are not that good with guns, they dont spend much time taking them apart and cleaning them and such. Since they dont clean them and prolly dont know how they jam on them. a revolver really doesnt fail too much, and thats prolly all the criminals know.

Claude Clay
December 17, 2008, 11:39 AM
supposing that to a thief a gun is a tool. i am not addressing gang/drug use of fire arms. so, its a tool--thief would want the simplest tool that will do the job. thus a revolver. 1985 was rather pre-plastic so a gun without any levers or buttons to press or move is a revolver. the original point and click.

and as most thieves acquire their tools from previous thief's [ or their supplier does---] they have revolvers. and if theiven nets lots of guns, the semis sell for more-- so again, the thief keeps the revolver.

as for effectiveness in a crime--point ANY gun at someone and only the darwin winner is going to resist.
not leaving a case at the scene a) professional thieves do not carry and if they do -the last thing they want to do is shoot someone cause now the police are gonna try hard to find the VIOLENT thief. b) if the gun is discharged case forensics was rather underutilized in the mid 80's; and is mostly stupidvision today . recovered bullets could and did trace a recovered 'guns' crimes.

unlike gang/druggers--a thief's chooses a criminal life style; this does not mean he is without skills or stupid.

Loyalist Dave
December 17, 2008, 11:40 AM
Victims of firearm theft cover all ages, from 20's to the elderly. It is correct that the vast number of criminals don't worry about brass left at the scene. The source is 22 years old, so the data is WAAAAAY out of date. The basic answer is as stated above. There are more revolvers available than semi-autos, as the revolver has been around a bit longer, and has been mass produced in higher numbers. When a handgun is found by a thief, there is a better chance it's a revolver than a semi-auto. As such the revolver goes for less on the street just as it goes for less when compared to a semi when leagally sold.

I have seen about the same number of the cheap, break-top, H&R style revolvers from the 1900-1930's era, as I have seen actual working revolvers. Of the working ones the cheap .22 types seem to be very prevalent, then the .38's.

I also wonder about the source of the data, asking "felons" is not the same as asking "felons convicted of using a handgun where a working handgun was recovered". My experience is that folks who will use an actual handgun in a crime, and have the choice between a small semi-auto vs a small revolver, will pick the semi almost every time. Even if the semi-auto is a .380 and the revolver is a .357.

LD

pogo2
December 17, 2008, 11:46 AM
The study was done in 1985, which is 23 years ago. At that time there were probably more revolvers around, as a percent of total handguns, than at present. I believe that semiautos have been selling much faster than revolvers over the last 25 years, based on what I see in gun stores and at shooting ranges.

I also believe the "no discarded shell casing" argument is a good one. The discarded shell casings can become evidence, from fingerprints or the impression of the firing pin.

And I agree that revolvers are generally cheaper than semiautos, if you are buying the gun and not stealing it. A criminal generally uses the gun for intimidation rather than shooting, and a cheaper revolver works just as well as a semiauto for this purpose.

orchidhunter
December 17, 2008, 12:14 PM
It's the reliability of a revolver they like. orchidhunter

walker944
December 17, 2008, 12:19 PM
I found a summary of the book mentioned here:

http://www.rkba.org/research/wright/...l.summary.html


The study was published in 1986, which is right in the middle of a huge market swing toward semi-auto handguns. Prior to that the handgun market was predominantly revolvers. At a glance, I didn't see what the period of time was of the study, so it is very possible the focus of the study was during years of revolver dominance...which would explain why criminals mostly used revolvers. A more current study may reflect a different trend.

--mw

GRIZ22
December 17, 2008, 03:04 PM
Criminals will use whatever they get their hands on.

I imagine if they do prefer revolvers, it would be due to the fact that its much easier to collect your brass (ie you do nothing) than a semi, and brass could be used to link to to other shootings.

Any criminal who hangs on to gun they've done a shooting with deserves to get a double sentence for stupidity.

KBintheSLC
December 17, 2008, 03:25 PM
"An earlier 1985 study of 1,800 incarcerated felons showed that criminals prefer revolvers and other non-semi-automatic firearms over semi-automatic firearms"

I think the key here is 1985. Semi-automatics have come a long way since then. I haven't seen cops carrying revolvers in well over 15 years. And I am assuming that there are now far more autos than revolvers leaving the shelves.

It's the reliability of a revolver they like.

Thats not it. There are many autos these days that have the same flawless reliability as any revolver. I think that criminals just use whatever they stole. If peoples homes are full of revolvers, they will use revolvers. If peoples homes are full of autos, they will use autos.

searcher451
December 17, 2008, 03:26 PM
MikePGS has got much of it right. The crooks like the revolvers because they don't leave brass behind; too many of the bad guys apparently are watching CSI these days and know that those telltale spent casings can do them in.

WC145
December 17, 2008, 03:27 PM
It's the reliability of a revolver they like. orchidhunter

I'm guessing this is a joke. I doubt most criminals worry about the reliability of their guns. They shoot what they steal or what they buy out of someone's trunk. As someone said further up the thread, the info you've got there is quite old and there's been a big shift in the popularity of revolvers vs semi's in that time. If anything I would say that the opposite is true today what with Glocks and the like being glamorized in movies, music, and video games. Those are the types of weapons that the current crop of scumbags are familiar with and that's what they'll be looking for if they're in the market for a new piece.

HoosierQ
December 17, 2008, 04:47 PM
I have noted this before in a different way.

Criminals are pretty much by definition poor. Maybe they are disadvantaged, maybe they are shooting all their money into their arms or snorting it up their noses...they're poor.

So, the black market being what it is, if a criminal gets his hands on a halfway decent firearm, autoloader or otherwise (I'll bet not many of these "crime guns" are Pythons!!!) he is going to sell it for cash or dope, maybe food or rent. A criminal, economically speaking, just can't afford to hold on to a nice gun. A beater works just as well for most crime and since it is ugly or rusty or whatever, is worth most as a weapon. I base this observation on the police gun auctions. Two or three nice guns and thousands of horrible beaters...lot's and lot's of .22 rifles of all descriptions and all in pretty bad shape. A Glock here or there.

I went to my first police aution thinking I'd see like a Luger or something really neat like that...didn't happen.

So I doubt criminals prefer revolvers. There are just a lot more old beat up revolvers around and that's what they can afford to use.

The real world just isn't much like Miami Vice.

rcmodel
December 17, 2008, 05:21 PM
I agree with everyone else.

A 1986 study is very out of date.
Semi-auto's were few & far between back then, with only the S&W's, Colt's, Browning pocket auto's, & WWII bring-backs having been around in any quantity not too many years prior to that.

But there were gazillions of old .32 & .38 revolvers floating around then.

A new 2008 study would find an overwhelming majority favoring the semi-autos, I betcha!

rcmodel

sm
December 17, 2008, 06:03 PM
Besides not leaving brass behind...
And before we had CSI Syndrome and Internet...

Revolvers:

-These can be used by anyone, no matter of skill level in regard to firearms.
-They can be fired from a pocket.
-Less likely to go out of battery if used in a confined space.
-More difficult to get hung up on items in a confined space.
-More easy to be reloaded if hurt, or injured one handed.

Sound familiar?

These things were shared with me by criminals and ex cons.
Don't ask, just in some of what I have experiences with, all legit mind you, this is what I was told.

I was also advised I needed to carry a .22 lr snub nosed revolver, by criminals.
So was the UC officer.

Illegal dawg and cock fight ring.
I might have to go shoot the back of a knee out , though the single shot .22 rifles they had for this, were at my disposal.

I miss those old H&R snub nose .22s.

You see the S&W and Colt said "cop", as they used these for quality practice for the duty snub nose in .38spl.

I sorta miss the days before CSI Syndrome and Armchair Warriors...

*blink*

CWL
December 17, 2008, 06:04 PM
1985 study, all a matter of timing. At this time, there weren't that many semis available (and the traditional "Colt .45" had developed a lousy reputation for quality by this time.)

In 1985, most LEOs carried revolvers. Also, to have been incarcerated in 1985, these felons were like arrested & tried prior to 1985.

The rise of semis in popularity came-about as a result of TV & movies such as Miami Vice (1984); Lethal Weapon (1987) and Die Hard (1988).

Heck, the Glock 17 wasn't imported until 1986; and the Beretta 92FS/M9 wasn't adopted until 1985 -dunno when it was sold into civvie marketplace.

redneckrepairs
December 17, 2008, 06:24 PM
Criminals prefer cheap , and in the latter 80s revolvers were cheap as we were seeing the transition to autos for LE . Hell in the late 80s you could buy a mod 10 S&W for under $200 I know because i did , several , and just got one back ( an estate thing ) that iirc i paid 175 for . In the late 80s and early 90s if it wasnt an auto it wasnt worth spit . It puts me in mind of the recent snobbery in sport rifles that might take standard mags . I remember when almost any ak copy was a top money 400 and most ar pattern rifles could be had under the big bill ( under $1,000) I remember when you paid 5 to 700 for a certin Califorinia FAL and then bitched about how you got screwed .

All of the above goes to illistrate that in my experiance a criminal considers a firearm as a tool . It matters little to them what they have , but matters a great deal that they have . Granted nowadays they will pay more for a " glock " ( that is almost any double stack auto no matter the brand name of the pistol ) than another they will still go cheap . Good for the revolver guys that they are off the map nowadays, just the same as actually learning how to run the gun is off the map .

twodawgs
December 17, 2008, 06:47 PM
Why would a criminal prefer cheap? It's not like they would actually be buying a weapon, most likely they'd steal it.

The double action revolver is a reliable and simple device. Pull trigger, go bang. Many criminals do not appear to have the brain capacity to operate anything other than the simplest of tools. Semi-auto's require more intelligence and manual dexterity to operate.

Hawk
December 17, 2008, 07:37 PM
The double action revolver is a reliable and simple device. Pull trigger, go bang. Many criminals do not appear to have the brain capacity to operate anything other than the simplest of tools. Semi-auto's require more intelligence and manual dexterity to operate.

Take it one step further: they lack the critical reasoning skills to make that distinction. When was the last time you met someone that would admit they were too stupid to operate a semi and then act on that knowledge.

I still have immediate family working in the NYS correctional system. Last I heard, criminals don't "prefer" revolvers, there were simply more of them in 1985.

This thread, IMHO, would not be well served by turning it into a thinly veiled "revolver vs semi" thread. Besides, if the criminal element I was familiar with from my time in NYS actually "preferred" revolvers that would, by itself, be sufficient to convince me that wheelguns are a sorry choice. Srysly, it's not like the rest of their choices have worked out all that well, now did they?

C'mon, "Revolvers: the choice of incompetent losers nation-wide" - swell endorsement, there.

k9870
December 17, 2008, 07:44 PM
criminals are too stupid to do proper gun maintenance, and revolvers arent high maintenance weapons. i thought gangstas liked glocks?

Ron-Bon
December 17, 2008, 07:48 PM
It's because revolvers are generally louder. Criminals are usually dumb enough to equate louder with more deadly. More importantly, revolvers are more simplistic and the shells do not get scattered all over the area, making forensics that much more difficult

Hawk
December 17, 2008, 07:55 PM
More importantly, revolvers are more simplistic and the shells do not get scattered all over the area, making forensics that much more difficult

That's something we talk about in internet fora. Does anybody really think criminals are much concerned about these matters? These are, in many cases, not to put too crude a point on it - the same guys that leave a tablespoon of DNA behind.

Too much credit being offered here....

dmazur
December 17, 2008, 08:51 PM
Long, long ago I was taking a class in alarm installation details and noticed a guy sitting a couple of chairs over that the local PD had put away recently for burglary. He was taking the same class the alarm installers were attending...Gotta love a free country.

Anyway, I just had this mental image of a criminal agonizing over 1911 parts in a Brownell's catalog, and bitching about feed and extraction problems right along with the rest of us.

I hope it isn't true! I hope they just don't move in the same circles. Maybe they don't have the patience, or are too busy with "business-related" matters to have guns as a hobby. Somehow, that would be better. :)

Hawk
December 17, 2008, 08:59 PM
Criminals "prefer" revolvers in the same manner that seine nets "prefer" catfish.

When autoloaders started to outnumber revolvers, they started to "prefer" autoloaders.

No need to overcomplicate the issue.

bja5006
December 17, 2008, 09:06 PM
does it have anything to do with the popularity of the .25 caliber ammo? i know that's a common round for criminals.

they either like the caliber or need it for the guns they already have.

PS: just read about a guy who accidentally discharged a .25cal in a grocery store, wounding the person in front of him. is there anything good that ever happens with that round?!

f4t9r
December 17, 2008, 09:46 PM
If that study was done today ,I would think that there would be more autos.
Nothing to back that up other then "IThink"

sm
December 17, 2008, 10:00 PM
Model of Criminal defines firearm use.

You have some Professional Thugs using Glock 10mms.
I assure you they know how to run the gun. They have the nice belts, holsters, mag pouches and can do a fast reload.

You have your upper level criminal that may carry a .40cal, be it Glock, HK, Sig, etc. Again these folks, both ladies and gents have belts, holsters, mag pouches, and can run the gun.

Have you ever seen either of these groups run a gun? I have.
You would think you were at a IDPA/IPSC match.

To keep it in layman terms...

Gangbanger with a "nine". Everything is a "nine" even if not a 9mm.

Firepower, show of strength and other reasons for "leaving the brass to scare your arse".

Now teh Intraw3bz does not always want to hear how a Pro, Upper Level, and "Street Thug" can take a screwdriver and take someone out with a tricked out gun and knife that is popular on teh Intraw3bz.

That RG 38spl will take you down too. Like the screwdriver, it is disposable.
Take down the mark, and toss it in dumpster, a train sitting on a track, in the river...

There exists "codes" and it might be illegal cock fights, protection money for an area, initiation rites...etc.

Sometimes brass is left to send a message.
Sometimes brass is not left to send a message.

There is a real world out there, from street level on up to Pros.
The EMT, and later ER/ED might have a "hunting accident" where a .22 rim-fire hit another while raccoon hunting at night, or ridding property of a armadillo.
The real reason is the person was behind on illegal cockfight, dawg fight, or some other gambling debt.

"Gun Cleaning" accident, might be a drug related deal.
Bond Daddy with the Rolexes and cocaine had some interesting "accidents" and knife cuts.
A trophy wife/ girlfriend might of somehow cut her breast with a knife cooking supper, or it might have been the dude supplying the blow, and this was a reminder the payment for dope was going to be on time.
Or, trophy wife / girlfriend was going to be a sex toy for some fellas, and some gals, to get that debt paid, slice that breast as a reminder of what will happen next time.

With a revolver at your head, and the other person being held, a gun will accidentally go off and its put down as "gun cleaning and accidental", or wife, girlfriend was in the kitchen with no top, or bra and lost control of knife.

A homeless gal, or guy, just wants a warm place, or food, or even bus ticket.
A revolver might be the ticket, after they fire some rounds and then toss the gun away.

Shoot out some store fronts, cops converge on that part of town while the real crime is done in another.


You can live in cyber space and paint all good guys with guns being hip, slick, cool and can't be beat.

In the real world, you cannot paint all "criminals" with a broad brush dipped in 'stupid'.

There are various models of criminals.
Some will take you down before you know you are down with a screwdriver.

Some use the same tactic as hi-risk folks with Security Dawgs, specially trained to protect the principal.

Some models of criminals have their own trained dawgs.
You get cute with your Glock 26 and laser sight, and those dawgs are trained to take down whatever is holding that red sight.
They train them with laser pointers to take down marks .

You cannot paint all "criminals" with the same brush, as there are more than Model of criminal.

Re: Body Armor.
I laugh every time I read of some armchair ranger and body armor.

Street people have had body armor for ages, both the good guys and bad guys.

Ask any seasoned street Cop, if he/she gets a bit nervous about having to deal with street folks.

The seasoned cops knows to respect these folks.

Layered clothing with pockets.
These folks carry what they own, especially valuables on person. Pockets conceal these, and keep them safe.

Layered clothes protects against getting hit, kicked and things being thrown at them, as sometimes street folks run into problems.

The seasoned cop and street savvy folks know to respect these folks and be careful.
Street person might have a screwdriver, revolver, carton cutter, and other tools concealed , or in hand in one of those pockets.

Good or bad street person, life on the streets, not Internet.

punkndisorderly
December 17, 2008, 10:31 PM
I think appearances have a lot to do with what guns criminals are likely to gravitate towards. A large frame revolver is very intimidating. I noticed a lot of the ghetto types also gravitate towards the AK and Glock thanks to all the free advertising they get from the Rap Stars.

There's also the fact that most criminals aren't really gun guys. It's just a tool and/or a status symbol. Non gun types tend to gravitate towards guns they recognize. Glocks, Smith Revolvers, AK's, Tech 9's and the like are easily recognized and identified with.

orionengnr
December 17, 2008, 10:41 PM
MikePGS has got much of it right. The crooks like the revolvers because they don't leave brass behind; too many of the bad guys apparently are watching CSI these days and know that those telltale spent casings can do them in.

Although it has been stated repeatedly in this thread, it sems to be escaping a lot of posters' attention that this study was published nearly 25 years ago...and when was the study started? Obviously well before that.

Long before CSI or any of that existed. Back when Glocks had just been invented. Back before most semi-auto pistols were invented, for that matter.

Blueduck
December 17, 2008, 10:45 PM
Ditto the "that was 1985" as the main factor. Any survey from felons today woud be all about the "gat" (Glock), mostly from crooks who have never even held one, but hear all about them in Rap songs. Surveying felons in prison about guns is like surveying Junior High boys about how much sex they are having each week.

If I had to use a gun on a person I'd never been trained with, likely never shot before, and knew nothing about it's history I would likely pick a revolver too though, even today.

I know Sammy "the Bull" Gravano prefered revolvers for reliability according to his book. Richard "Iceman" Kuklinski the sociopathic mafia Hitman of HBO fame, preferred a cheap 38 special derringer as his favorite carry gun, a choice that would be derided on many firearms boards. No one who made fun of his choice to his face has yet to surface though.... :evil:

makarovnik
December 17, 2008, 10:47 PM
Gee, I thought they liked Hi-Points, Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez and Davis/Cobra Arms. SNS's for short.

C-grunt
December 18, 2008, 04:05 AM
In my short year and a half as a LEO, I have seen more criminals with semi autos than revolvers. I can tell you that the VAST majority of them dont know jack about weapons. Most magazines are half way filled and usually have several different brands of ammo in them. I recovered an old .22 snub last year that had 6 different .22s in it. Come on!!!!... you cant scrounge up 6 of the same freakin .22????????

Also FMJ is the leading type of ammo. One gun recovered about a month ago, a stolen two tone XD45 had two hoolowpoints, Golden Sabers if I remember correctly, loaded on top and had ball for the rest.

Most of these guns are stolen and then sold on the black market. Very few gun owners have their S/Ns when the reports are taken. Of the probably couple dozen stolen gun reports I have taken, less than a handful had the serials.

Hell in all reality a good majority of dirt bags actually carry BB guns because they look real and can be bought for like 50 bucks.

Kind of Blued
December 18, 2008, 04:15 AM
I think the correct answer is that they don't.

WardenWolf
December 18, 2008, 04:19 AM
Revolvers used to be a lot more common because that's what people primarily used for home defense. There weren't that many good semi-auto choices, and they were all rather expensive. 1985 was also before the Iron Curtain fell. You didn't have these cheap, reliable small arms coming in from former Soviet countries. It was also before computer-controlled manufacturing took hold. Only a few companies had the know-how to mass-produce reliable semi-automatics, and they were all rather expensive.

A large combination of features just went together to make the revolver the gun of choice. They were cheaper, more common, more likely to be left out in the open where a burglar could find and steal one. However, the advent of computer-controlled manufacturing, that lets any company stamp out precision products relatively cheaply, has driven the cost of semi-autos down while also dramatically increasing their reliability. Modern semi-autos will almost never jam if you feed them ammo they like. And newer hyped calibers like 9mm and .40, aimed towards semi-auto pistols, also generated demand.

What do I trust for home defense? I trust a good old-fashioned .357. Guaranteed to wake the dead and add to their ranks. Two revolvers, one each in the 2 primary rooms I'm in, and accessible in seconds.

WC145
December 18, 2008, 09:39 AM
Certainly there are some high end *****bags out there that have decent guns and gear and know how to use them but the majority are criminals for a reason and it's not because they're geniuses. They'll use what they can get their hands on and it is catch as catch can and currently semis are popular because they're plentiful. C-grunt is right on the money with his observations.

XD9WBT
December 18, 2008, 11:59 AM
Not to argue with the OP's premise but all or at least 90 percent of the videos I see of thugs robbing liquor and convenience stores you would think that autos is all they use.

Or maybe they just use autos to rob liquor and convenience stores. :confused:

James T Thomas
December 18, 2008, 01:44 PM
The headline "Criminals Prefer Revolvers" is right out of the super market tabloids, or today; any of the great newspapers, for that matter.

Here is one: "Why do 99.8 % of criminals prefer a handgun?"
Of course the implication is this. If you have a handgun, then...you must be a criminal!

Please refer to the General Gun Discussion; the thread about being a guilty gun owner.

I would not even wrap a dead fish in newspaper; or give any media headline a consideration of legitimacy.

ZombiesAhead
December 18, 2008, 02:12 PM
It just goes to show - revolvers should be outlawed or heavily restricted because criminals like them - probably because they are more intimidating, more reliable, and easier to hide evidence (brass) when being used. I don't see why anyone would need a gun that fires every time you pull the trigger, lacks a manual safety and doesn't leave brass all over the place. It's not sporting and of course this is why criminals use them. :neener:


It's fun to make up reasons why one or the other would be better for committing certain types of crimes but the real answer is because the data is WAY outdated.

mljdeckard
December 18, 2008, 03:03 PM
I haven't seen many crooks lately use the frame of mind required to make sure they don't leave brass behind. Or REALLY get rid of the gun. Or remember to wipe their prints off the magazine. Or any other really effective method of preventing the crime being traced back to them.

This is obviously outdated. These days I'm much more afraid of the old-timer crook who KNOWS he can do the job with a snubby than I am a kid with a Glock who thinks he needs 18+1 to get the job done.

Wolfeye
December 19, 2008, 12:07 AM
I'll agree with the "that was the 80's" idea: back then, most police departments still used revolvers, and so did most civilians. It would be like saying now that "most hackers exploit flaws in Windows".

I don't completely buy the "criminals use revolvers because they're nincompoops who can't handle or take care of automatics" theory. Criminals often drive, and presumeably they know that they should check their oil and rotate their tires once in a while.

My belief is that career criminals, the ones who dream about robbing little old ladies and being as bad as their actor/rapper heros, will gravitate towards whatever weapon fits the image.

Example... when all those "Blade" movies came out a few years back, two guys here in the Seattle area decided it would be nice to wave swords in the cops' faces. Swords!

C-grunt
December 19, 2008, 02:30 AM
You know the other day I did run into a Hells Angels member in one of their controlled areas who was carrying a Charter Arms Bulldog 44 spec.

John Fugate
December 19, 2008, 02:59 AM
Jessie carried a six gun,, so I guess theys copying ole Jessie and his Colt .45.

Old West Style Playa,, rollin on Dubbs 1880's :D

C-grunt
December 19, 2008, 03:09 AM
I gotz 22 inch chrome horse shuz son!!!

Jimfern
December 19, 2008, 03:11 PM
"Bond Daddy with the Rolexes and cocaine had some interesting "accidents" and knife cuts.
A trophy wife/ girlfriend might of somehow cut her breast with a knife cooking supper, or it might have been the dude supplying the blow, and this was a reminder the payment for dope was going to be on time.
Or, trophy wife / girlfriend was going to be a sex toy for some fellas, and some gals, to get that debt paid, slice that breast as a reminder of what will happen next time."

Dude, I'm very glad that I lead a simple life. I never gave any thought to those quick news clips I see on TV.

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