N, J, K...... can someone explain FRAMES????
outfieldjack
September 23, 2003, 09:11 AM
I keep seeing all of these references to "frames", can someone explain this to a newbie????
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FPrice
September 23, 2003, 09:43 AM
The frame refers to the basic structure of the firearm. Basically how big or small it is and partially how strong it is. The frame of a revolver is the portion to which all other parts are attached. Years ago when metallurgy was not as good as it is today, the frame size dictated how powerful a cartridge the gun could handle. But now with modern steels and alloys this has been negated to some extent.
The frame size (I, K, N, etc. in the S&W family) also helps define a grouping of firearms which usually share similar characteristics. There are several books which could help explain this a bit better such as Supica and Nahas' guide to S&W's and Roy Jinks' book on the history of S&W. I am at work and don't have them handy but there should be someone else who will join in soon and add to this.
DDGator
September 23, 2003, 09:53 AM
There are others who will explain this with much more detail, but basically each "letter" represents a different Smith & Wesson frame size -- the higher the letter, the bigger the frame.
J-frames are the smallest currently available and are 5 shot .38, .357 Mag, 9mm (discontinued), or 6 or more shots in a smaller caliber like .32 or .22. These are guns like the Models 60, 642, 340.
K-frames are larger and are made for 6 shots of .38 or .357 and maybe others. Like the Model 10, 66.
L-frames are similar in size to K, but heavier and usually have a full underlug barrel. Like the Model 586, 686.
N-frames were the biggest until recently. N-frames are 6-shot in .44, .45 and 10mm. There is also an 8 shot .357 N-frame. Models like the 29, 329, 610, 625.
The new .500 is an X-frame that is even larger still and available in the .500 Magnum only.
Tamara
September 23, 2003, 07:24 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=461522
1st row: J-frames (and one Improved-I)
2nd row: K-frames
3rd row: L-frames
4th row: N-frames
5th row: more N-frames
PlayTheAces
September 23, 2003, 08:18 PM
Sensory overload. Brain shutting down.............
BluesBear
September 24, 2003, 09:38 PM
All of the S&W frames have a alpha designation. The most commonly encountered today are the I,J,K,L,N & X
The I & J frames were originally commmonly called the .32 frame.
The K frame was originally commmonly called the .38 frame
The N frame was originally commmonly called the .44 frame
You'll hear some old timers talk about a .38 on a .44 frame or a .32 on a .38 frame or a .38 on a .32 frame.
The L frame was designed for a little more strength for .357 magnums and is sometimes called the .357 frame.
The L frame is similar in size to the Colt I (Python) frame which was originally called the .41 frame.
The new X frame is for the new .500S&W ctg. I think it will become known as the big damn frame.
:D
Colt also has the D frame (Detective Special, Diamondback etc).
The Colt Government & Commander models are call O frames.
Both Colt & S&W had/have other sizes but these are the most common.
Have we thrououghly confused you further?
If now we'll try harder next time.
:evil:
Smokey Joe
September 28, 2003, 10:34 PM
Tam that is an IMPRESSIVE collection! :) And I note that you aren't selling any of 'em. :)
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