Has anyone ever had problems with the Glock 19 jamming?


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srags
December 21, 2008, 12:44 AM
I recently bought a Glock 19 and have fired it just 100 times. In those 100 rounds, I have had 3 jams and I'm not too sure what's going on. All I heard was the great reviews about these guns and the 3rd round I attempted to shoot was a jam. I'm just wondering if anyone has experienced this, or if it's just one of those crazy flukes.

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ljnowell
December 21, 2008, 12:55 AM
I dont consider myself a glock guy, but I do own one and have shot plenty of them. That being said, did you field strip the gun prior to shooting? If so did you oil it? How much oil did you use? Too much oil can mess up a glocks functioning. Another thing, have you ever shot a glock before? If not, limpwristing is a possibility. It seems to be more prevelant, in my experience with the smaller calibers like a 9mm.

esq_stu
December 21, 2008, 01:02 AM
Anything is possible. Assuming factory ammo, I'd start by looking real closely at the magazine.

SHusky57
December 21, 2008, 01:07 AM
1. Have you cleaned it?
2. What ammo are you using?
3. Are you limp-writing?
4. Is this your first gun?

Lone_Gunman
December 21, 2008, 01:09 AM
Look at the plastic follower on the magazine. How is it stamped?

The Lone Haranguer
December 21, 2008, 11:06 AM
"Jams" can take several forms. Without knowing what happens to the round when the stoppage occurs it is tough to diagnose.

My own, when I first got it in 1998, fed all FMJs fine but would nose-dive the last round of a hollowpoint into the edge of the bottom of the feed ramp, where the edge of the cavity caught. The pointy round nose of the FMJ would allow it to skid up over this edge and still feed. This was due to a magazine follower problem. They were replaced with followers bearing the marking "9mm3," solving the problem. The only other stoppages I've had are very random failures to eject. The fired case will sort of lie on top of the next round in the magazine, partway out of the chamber.

glockgod
December 21, 2008, 11:20 AM
The only trouble I've had with Glocks is when I've reloaded ammo for them. Glocks don't like limp wristed grips and they don't like wimpy reloads.If you handload ammo for Glock pistols it'd better be perfect or you're gonna have problems!!

frankt
December 21, 2008, 03:28 PM
I have and do own several different Glocks, also I reload for them and have gone from strong to mild reloads with never a hiccup except when I learned Glocks hate SWC bullets.
As an IDPA Safety Officer I get a close up look at all kinds of pistols in operation several times a month. I can tell you that when a Glock has a problem it is pretty rare. Bad ammo or a broken trigger spring are the most common issues next to home gunsmithing or non standard parts. Normally Glocks are very trouble free.

Limp wristing is a major problem with Glocks and many other semi autos, the guns needs a firm hold to let everything operate like it should.

I would check/change your ammo, check your grip/shooting style and if nothing improves, you might have a very rare Glock lemon!

pps
December 21, 2008, 03:48 PM
I've had it happen, and every time it was because I was limp wristing due to recovery from a broken elbow at the time.

Deanimator
December 21, 2008, 03:59 PM
I recently bought a Glock 19 and have fired it just 100 times. In those 100 rounds, I have had 3 jams and I'm not too sure what's going on.
I wouldn't consider 3 jams in 100 rounds out of a brand new gun that out of line.

Fire another 200-400 rounds through it and see what it does.

I've got a 2nd Generation Glock 19 and I don't think I've had ANY failures in it.

What kind of ammunition are you using?

michiganfan
December 21, 2008, 08:36 PM
mine has been 100 per cent

srags
December 21, 2008, 08:50 PM
This gun is used so it's not brand new. I don't know if that makes it more proned to jams or not. I have only shot it on one occasion and don't believe I was limp-wristing. I used blazer 9mm luger ammo for the 100 rounds that I shot. In response to a question before, this is the first Glock that I have owned. The magazine could be a problem.

Snarlingiron
December 21, 2008, 09:31 PM
I wouldn't consider 3 jams in 100 rounds out of a brand new gun that out of line.


Sorry, but on a Glock 19 I disagree. I have about 12,000 rounds through mine, most of it CCI aluminum cased ammo. I can think of about maybe 6 malfunctions during that time. Three of those where when I first got the pistol and were limp wristing issues. Adjusting my grip eliminated those. A couple of others were traced to a magazine that had a dime...that's right a dime in it. It had to have worked its way in there in my range bag when I dumped a pocket full of loose change in it.

I personally consider 1 malfunction in 1000 rounds to be the lower limit of acceptability.

Have an experienced friend give it a try. Try another magazine. If you are still having issues take it to a Glock armorer. Forget the ammo, Glocks are generally indifferent to ammo. Malfunctions on Glocks, particularly the 19 are not the norm. Certainly they happen, but they are not the norm.

armoredman
December 21, 2008, 10:13 PM
Several, all at Dept ranges. Did you buy it used? Limp wristing is a really big problem with Glocks, in my humble experiance.

Lone_Gunman
December 21, 2008, 10:52 PM
I wouldn't consider 3 jams in 100 rounds out of a brand new gun that out of line.

I disagree. I think you might have talked to too many Kimber customer service agents if you believe that!:neener: A new Glock is very unlikely to jam, and should not require the supposed break in period that marginally fitted 1911s require. I don't mean to be bashing 1911s in general, just ones manufactured by makers who will tell you to break it in with 500 rounds and then call them back.

This gun is used so it's not brand new.

I think you may have just found out why the gun was being sold.

PhillyGlocker
December 22, 2008, 02:19 AM
3 jams in a Glock in one outing is extremely rare, and I have a hard time believing these stories without live video. I'm not buying the initial story here. I have yet to see a Glock jam more than once in a session at the range, and is almost never gun related - ammo, extreme limp wristing etc. I had 1 jam since I owned my Glocks (7 years) and it was due to a damaged casing. Even used Glocks practically perform flawlessly. I'm sorry, but are you sure you purchased a Glock?

bubbaturbo
December 22, 2008, 03:07 AM
3 jams in a Glock in one outing is extremely rare, and I have a hard time believing these stories without live video. I'm not buying the initial story here. I have yet to see a Glock jam more than once in a session at the range, and is almost never gun related - ammo, extreme limp wristing etc. I had 1 jam since I owned my Glocks (7 years) and it was due to a damaged casing. Even used Glocks practically perform flawlessly. I'm sorry, but are you sure you purchased a Glock?

JEEZ. One of the most condescending posts I've ever read.

kimber98
December 22, 2008, 03:14 AM
Aluminum, as in Blazer cases, can get a little sticky on sliding parts including feed ramps and slides, etc. Not saying that it is bad ammo, but your gun just might not like it because of tighter tolerances on a part or two. You might try cleaning your weapon with a nitro solvent and a brass brush for several minutes to work any aluminum out of any porous surfaces that you may have. After that, lightly oil the gun then wipe it down with an old t-shirt. Then get some generic brass cased ball ammo and put another couple of hundred rounds thru it. If you are still having problems, have a factory rep take a look at it. I have a couple of 19's that I bought new over 20 years ago, and they required a couple hundred rounds before they reached the flawless state. I also have a 2 year old glock that I had to send back for a factory rebuild because of jams and verticle strings of 1-2 foot at 25 feet (it also is now flawless). Incidentally, the old 19 that I keep on my nightstand has over14000 rounds thru it and it hasn't jammed in the last 20 years.
Another scenario that you might consider is that your gun might have been altered with non-factory parts or "cleaned up" by a non-factory gunsmith or tinkerer to it's "improved" state.
Whatever... try the cleaning and ball ammo first. Bet it will work.
PS.. my kimber took a LOT of ammo to smoothe out. My 454 taurus raging bull... none.....

Blarelli
December 22, 2008, 04:03 AM
I've seen a lot of glock 19's and 23's jamming at the range lately, all of which are 'new' guns. Makes me wonder if they are doing something different with the mags.

RON in PA
December 22, 2008, 07:24 AM
I had a Glock 19 that was 100% with any brand of ball ammo, but would jam frequently with HP ammo. Notice I said had.

jocko
December 22, 2008, 07:50 AM
let someone else shoot it, if it jams, the gun has issues, If not then you are limpng the gun. very easy to check out that problem.

Glocks don't need break in but maybe yours does to, Clean it, lube it properly and then just shoot it like you stole it...

Vonderek
December 22, 2008, 08:54 AM
How 'used' is it? Try a new mag and see what happens. If it still jams, try replacing the recoil spring. A new spring is very inexpensive.

Lone_Gunman
December 22, 2008, 10:00 AM
If this Glock is 10 or so years old, it very well could be the follower Glock was using back then. For some reason, they switched to a flat follower around the mid 1990's at about the same time as the high capacity magazine ban came out. These followers were labelled 2183. Check your magazine followers. If they are labelled 2183, you need to replace them.

TRGRHPY
December 22, 2008, 03:22 PM
I purchased a new G-19 about this time last year and took it out with the factory copper/gold colored grease on it. I had several issues with it that first time out. Got home and stripped it completely down, cleaned it well, and oiled it. I haven't had a single issue with it since. I have spoken with others who had similar situations with the factory grease.

I don't know why they would have, but it's always a possibility that the previous owner used the same stuff. Or limp wristing. I agree that it shouldn't be the ammo.

tblt
December 22, 2008, 03:24 PM
there will always be some guns of every brand that jams some more than others.

JDoe
December 22, 2008, 04:21 PM
srags,

What kind of jams did you have?

Have you tried letting someone else shoot your Glock to see if they can duplicate your experience?

I've never had any issues with my Glock 19.

grimjaw
December 22, 2008, 04:25 PM
Has anyone ever had problems with the Glock 19 jamming?

I haven't, but I only put about 1000 rounds through mine without cleaning. I hear you have to increase that total with occasional dumps in a bucket of mud to get a consistent jam.

Maybe try different ammo than the Blazer, especially if it's the aluminum.

jm

rosemont
December 22, 2008, 04:26 PM
So its used? Ahh, that changes things. I'd be interested in hearing about it after a smith took a look. The title was a bit misleading.

srags
December 22, 2008, 10:34 PM
In response to PhillyGlocker's comments, I am 100% sure that I bought a Glock. I can read. The gun had issues the first time I shot it and that is how it stands until I shoot it again. I will look at it some more to see what could be wrong. Oiling and cleaning has been my priority. To everyone else, thanks for the help.

XDShooter07
December 23, 2008, 02:15 AM
3 jams in a Glock in one outing is extremely rare, and I have a hard time believing these stories without live video. I'm not buying the initial story here.

Hahaha, what? Why would someone lie about their gun jamming?


srags:

Is this your first gun? Yes/no? Don't lie about it now, you don't want me to not believe you. Ok just kidding. But seriously if it's your first gun or maybe just your first glock you could just be having issues with your grip. If they are stove-pipes then it's probably a grip issue. If they are failing to feed then pay attention to whether or not the problem is only occurring with one specific magazine, if not then inspect the feed ramp for any defects if none then try a different brand of ammo and see what happens. It could just be that the recoil spring needs to break in a little bit too. Give it another workout and if you're still having problems let Gaston fix it for you.

Ken Rainey
December 23, 2008, 02:16 AM
Disassemble and clean the magazines too....also, as was said, check to see what followers are in them...if they're 2183 they should still feed ball ammo...those followers mostly had issues with HP ammo and usually on the last rd...but replace with newer followers for absolute reliability...call Glock and they'll send you new ones if that's what it is.

AFTER cleaning the mags, check the mag spring and follower = While holding an EMPTY pistol, insert an EMPTY magazine and pull the slide to the rear in a quick maneuver, if it locks the slide back, the spring and follower should be in good enough shape, if not, replace...however, since you didn't mention the slide not locking back after the last rd, they're probably ok but still may need cleaning.

So, if cleaning the magazines doesn't correct your problem, a Glock armorer or at least someone highly familiar with Glock pistols needs to look at it....on the bright side, it can't be much and on the outside chance that it does have some major problem, Glock will fix it for free as long as someone hasn't messed with it in a way to cause the problem and even then, it still won't cost much...;)

And, just to satisfy the last possible cause...shoot some brand named brass cased ammunition...If Blazer aluminum was what you were using or even if it wasn't, to eliminate that as a possible problem.

Most malfunctions are usually caused first by "dirt"= filth and/or either lack of, or too much lubricant, second by ammo = out of spec, and last by parts failure = broke or worn out of spec.

Another thought, is that the extractor channel could need cleaning which could be causing a problem with either feeding or extraction if it's not moving freely....do a detailed cleaning of the slide....instructions are posted on the internet....check the Glockmeister website under "free tech info" for instructions or find a Glock armorer or someone familiar with this procedure...it ain't hard at all to learn to detail strip a Glock pistol...all it takes is a punch and knowing how to position the parts.

mauiglide
December 23, 2008, 02:38 AM
Never, ever had a problem with my Glock pistols (Glock 19 and Glock 26).

aquapong
December 23, 2008, 02:48 AM
Try another ammo. One Glock I had didn't like aluminum cased ammo but shot brass fine.

Weedmonk
December 23, 2008, 05:40 PM
At the risk of offending the OP, this might be a simple case of "limp-wristing". Even Glocks experience reliability issue when the shooter limp-wrists the firearm.

swwyo
December 23, 2008, 09:56 PM
Most occurring reasons for a Glock to jam in order, think of SAM

1. Shooter 2. Ammo 3. Maintenance

Also buyer beware, huge amount of Korean made aftermarket G19 mags entering the country. They say they are as good as Glock, although based on my experience with the exception of a few types of handguns generally speaking the original manufacture makes the best mags. This is very true for Glock. Your magazine is the heart of the gun. And your weapon is no better than the magazine and ammo you put in it. If you don't have a genuine Glock mag, then your gun isn't jamming your mag is.

Merry Christmas!

srags
December 24, 2008, 12:27 AM
In response to XDShooter07, this is the first handgun I have purchased and chose it because of the reliability. I will check all of the points that you guys have stressed and have reason to believe it will work. Limp-wristing could be an issue and I will definitely adjust for next time. The magazine seems to look ok and the followers don't seem to have any defects. I will use different ammo too. Thanks.

srags
December 24, 2008, 12:29 AM
And yes, I was wondering why someone would accuse me of lying about malfunctions with a Glock. Very strange.

ljnowell
December 24, 2008, 01:05 AM
And yes, I was wondering why someone would accuse me of lying about malfunctions with a Glock. Very strange.

Not really. There are some people, like me, who will say, "wow a glock malfunctioning?" Then try to help you figure it out. It is a rare issue. Others, who cannot believe that the almight gastons product could possibly have a fault, will insist you are lying to deface their products. Its the same for practically anything.

mes228
December 24, 2008, 08:56 AM
No, it's not strange at all. malfunctions are so rare in standard size Glock's (no experience with the mini-Glock's) that few owners have never seen one. There are many anti-Glock troll type posters that post B.S. that only people that haven't owned several would think are real. If you have a standard, un-messed with Glock 19 that malfunctions, after you throw the mag away and replace it. You have something as rare as Unicorns, Fairies, and Big Foot. If your Glock has been "improved" by some idiot then all bets are off. Buy a Glock 19, do not dick with it, and you have a pistol that is in the top 1/10% or even the top 1/1000 % of the best pistols ever made. In any quantitative, measurable, category. Factor in the cost and it may well be the best pistol ever made, or designed, or can be had for defense or combat. The only category a Glock falls short in is appearance, they never look good. They also have a great combat trigger but it's a lousy target trigger. But on the other hand they never look bad, no matter how much they are carried or fired. Currently I own two 1911's (Baer and 10X custom) a Sig Pro, Ruger, and 2 Glock's. I carry a Glock and it cost 1/10th of the cost of some of my pistols. Just my opinion but it's based on owning/shooting a lot of pistols.

bubbaturbo
December 24, 2008, 11:11 AM
No, it's not strange at all. malfunctions are so rare in standard size Glock's (no experience with the mini-Glock's) that few owners have never seen one. There are many anti-Glock troll type posters that post B.S. that only people that haven't owned several would think are real. If you have a standard, un-messed with Glock 19 that malfunctions, after you throw the mag away and replace it. You have something as rare as Unicorns, Fairies, and Big Foot.

Well unfortunately it's not as strange as it used to be. However, asking any question about some people's most very favoritest gun now often gets you labeled as a liar and troll and then somebody may chime in using UNICORNS, FAIRIES, and BIGFOOT as supporting arguments as to why your malfunction could not possibly have occurred. If you even have a Glock :). Unbelievable.

Anyhow, I hope you get your Glock (if you have one :)) running soon. I believe there was some good advice given amongst the denials.

JHansenAK47
December 24, 2008, 02:02 PM
This gun is used so it's not brand new.
I had a glock 34 that would occasionally jam, but that was because the captive guide rod retainer was jacked up. In other words it had a part failure and was more an issue with a specific part. I sold that gun to my brother who fixed it and had no problems after said part was replaced. I knew what was wrong with it and told him. I just wanted a smaller pistol.

ReadyontheRight
December 24, 2008, 02:44 PM
You have something as rare as Unicorns, Fairies, and Big Foot.

So...Which Glock should a person use to cover Unicorns, Fairies and Bigfoot? I am thinking you would need a G20 or G29. Assuming of course, it didn't jam.:evil:

I like Glocks, but there has GOT to be a point at which parts wear out. Just like anything mechanical.

As recommended above, try a cleaning and varieties of ammo. And I guess look for any rough or worn surfaces on the slide or any parts.

PhillyGlocker
December 24, 2008, 10:18 PM
No, it's not strange at all. malfunctions are so rare in standard size Glock's (no experience with the mini-Glock's) that few owners have never seen one. There are many anti-Glock troll type posters that post B.S. that only people that haven't owned several would think are real. If you have a standard, un-messed with Glock 19 that malfunctions, after you throw the mag away and replace it. You have something as rare as Unicorns, Fairies, and Big Foot. If your Glock has been "improved" by some idiot then all bets are off. Buy a Glock 19, do not dick with it, and you have a pistol that is in the top 1/10% or even the top 1/1000 % of the best pistols ever made. In any quantitative, measurable, category. Factor in the cost and it may well be the best pistol ever made, or designed, or can be had for defense or combat. The only category a Glock falls short in is appearance, they never look good. They also have a great combat trigger but it's a lousy target trigger. But on the other hand they never look bad, no matter how much they are carried or fired. Currently I own two 1911's (Baer and 10X custom) a Sig Pro, Ruger, and 2 Glock's. I carry a Glock and it cost 1/10th of the cost of some of my pistols. Just my opinion but it's based on owning/shooting a lot of pistols.
Your assessment is dead on. I truly do believe Glock haters troll in forums trying to stain the name, and post ancient kaboom pics. IMO, there is nothing better than my G19, and I am one who has never seen a Glock jam at the range. I had one malfuction due to a damaged casing. Period!

The End.

MT GUNNY
December 24, 2008, 10:23 PM
NO but have you seen this;http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=415117

srags
December 25, 2008, 05:37 AM
Ok well I must be a liar then. Making things up must be my motis operandi. I guess I stand on an island.

xring
December 25, 2008, 11:23 AM
My G19 has been perfect. But when my 11 year old fired it, it would misfeed every shot due to limp wristing.

bubbaturbo
December 25, 2008, 12:29 PM
trying to stain the name
there is nothing better than my G19
I am one who has never seen a Glock jam at the range

So, since you've never seen a jam, anyone who has is a liar?

PhillyGlocker
December 25, 2008, 08:11 PM
So, since you've never seen a jam, anyone who has is a liar?
Yes.;)

Seriously, It's only on the internet where I hear of problems. I'm around Glocks all of the time at the range, and have yet to see one fail. I've been a member of my range for 4 years, and have owned my Glocks for 7. So yes, I question every Glock malfunction posted in forums.

bubbaturbo
December 26, 2008, 10:33 AM
OK, this just became really funny.

grimjaw
December 26, 2008, 12:33 PM
PhillyGlocker, while my G19, and I would imagine 9mm Glocks in general, was reliable in function when properly maintained, it was NOT 100% if it got excessively dirty. The most common failure at that point would be failure to return to battery. I usually wouldn't see it until after a high round count and even then it would be rare. Cleaning and lubricating it would correct the issue. I have to do more frequent maintenance with my CZ to ensure the same reliability.

I can see where a malfunctioning part or certain types of ammunition might give a Glock, yes even a Glock, problems. Anything mechanical can fail. I agree that limp wristing is possible but it's not the only possibility, especially since it's a used pistol and the history is unknown.

I think the OP's question was asking what might be wrong with his pistol specifically. I haven't seen him malign Glocks in general. I can definitely see where anyone might become defensive at a person who will "question every Glock malfunction posted in forums."

Your initial response could be considered calling him a liar, and wasn't very high road. It definitely wasn't helpful. If that was the rule rather than the exception here at THR, I'd have stopped coming here long ago.

Show a little Christmas spirit, give the benefit of the doubt.

Sheesh.

jm

AirForceShooter
December 26, 2008, 12:42 PM
Let somebody else shyoot it.
If it's ok then you're the problem.

My money is on the mags.

Oh and for the record, I don't like Glocks but I know they work

AFS

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