[Deus Machina]

I'm heading back to school soon, and while I've been told (and haven't managed to confirm) that while it's not illegal to carry a firearm into college in Florida if you have the permit, it's a darn quick way to get expelled and the admins searching for some law to throw at me, and I believe it.

According to the handbook, though, I can carry a 'non-projectile electronic weapon'. Basically, a stun gun.

While I'm aware that more is better, I do have to compromise it for size and cost. So, what's the minimum I can actually expect to effectively stop someone with? I will move up from that point to the largest I'm comfortable concealing with me, of course.

[zignal_zero]

when i was 15, my dad bought my mom a decent stun gun. i dont remember the voltage, but it was pretty high. it had the inch of so of arc when you test fired it, like they all do. one day he came home and found my best friend (future brother in law) and i chasing eachother around with it. when we'd get a good hit, there'd be some yelling/laughing. then we'd switch and the other one would get hit with it. he made my mom start carrying a pistol after that.

years later i was issued an M26 Taser. we all went to a taser class to get certified. after finishing the class, we made it about 4 minutes down the road before people started getting tased in the car. again, some yelling, some laughing, alot of profanity, but no real incapacitation.

get a real Taser, they make a nifty civilian version of it, or find out what the rules regarding pepper spray is because - i can honestly tell you, if someone i wasn't friends with ever tried to use a stun gun on me, i'd hurt them.

[Deus Machina]

Hah. I've seen a couple guys play with those $15 flea market stun guns and I'm not impressed, lemme tell you.

I'll check into the pepper spray, but I don't remember anything. It's probably banned because of the 'collateral', but I'll check.

I have seen the results of a couple high-end stun guns. They're too big for me to conceal, but I would not wanna get hit with one of the harsh ones.

Either way, I can't take an actual Taser--quote, "non-projectile electronic weapon." Meaning something without those neat little wires and barbs.

[zignal_zero]

i see you're in FL.

you'd be getting into a definate "grey area" with the Taser and i'm sure school policy is not exactly the same as state statute. however, if i'm not mistaken, it was determined that a Taser actually qualifies as a "non projectile" due to the fact that the barb stays connected to the device after being deployed.


there are other options you could probably use, as well. i'm not saying the stun gun is a bad idea, but it is 90% psychological. look into Kubotans and tactical ink pens, but most importantly get involved (if you're not already) in some form of unarmed combat training like Muay Thai. i seriously believe the human body comes equiped with far better tools than a stun gun, it just comes without a manual LOL

but for your original question, i wouldn't buy anything less than 50,000 volts

[kBob]

No grey area at all.

Black and white.

Dart firing taser on Florida university campus other than use by law enforcement officers is a violation of State law.

Even for CWL holders.

Don't get me started. I worked on campus at UF during the Student murders. My CWL holding female boss was shall we say peeved at not being able to have anything worth while on her when arrriving early or leaving late or when I was out running errands and messages.

As it turned out we were one of those little half storage half office buildings with in about 200 yards of the monster's camp site.

I might vaguely understand the reasoning behind not allowing students under 21 to have whatever means of self defense on campus they want. Not like or agree with it but understand. It escapes me however how forbidding trained CWL holders from carrying their CWL guns on campus or forbidding students from carrying things like Tasers or large Chemical sprays is a good thing.

But there it is.

And yes student and employees have begged for a change in the CWL rules since they were made to ban even CWL holders' guns from campus.

-Bob Hollingsworth

[kBob]

Duex.

Actually it IS illegal for a CWL holder to carry on his/her person on campus at a Florida university such as UF or FSU.

Per Statute, not school rules.

Some members of the old UF gun club used to leave firearms with students that live off campus when they shared the use of a public range with the old North Central FLroida Sportsmans Association. My understanding was that they as a group bought a dun safe that one of the med students kept at home where those living on campus could store sporting and self defene weapons off campus. They were a great bunch and pooled reources to purchase Dillon progressives to load .38 Special 9x19mm and .45ACP as well as .223/5.56.

Back before there was even CWL state wide in Florida and I was a student. I carried an old gas mask carrier as a book bag( for those old enough, yes, I got Serpico jokes). Not at all sure a bag with five or ten pounds of junk in it swung from a sturdy shoulder strap migth not actually work better than a stun gun

-Bob Hollingsworth

[Deus Machina]

Well, like I've said, it's second-hand info. And whereas I tend toward Google-fail anyway, my search on government sites fails further, because deities-of-choice forbid you can actually find anything useful (any less than normal) on a government website.

And I do understand (not agree with) the non-shooting weapons--it's a liability issue, as collateral damage. Many people around, and a through-shot or miss from a 9mm is bad. Pepper spray doesn't stop when the stream hits, and you could mist the whole classroom.

I've always gone light in school. Especially since my major mode of transport, barring the bus, will only be two wheels and 750cc. Light is good.

And I did want something where, if need be, I could slip in quick and quiet, and zap the threat.

If 50k volts is starting to acceptable, I feel a little better; I can get my hands on a small one advertised at 950k. Just have to check that the button isn't something I can accidentally sit on. :uhoh:

[Borch]

Get the Cheetah. The smallest Cheetah is a million and they make models as high as 2 million. Not to mention they are small enought to be carried comfortably in a cargo pocket or even a back pocket, about the size of a large wallet. If you're going to have to carry a stun gun why not go for the highest volts you can find.

[Extreme Edd]

in 10 years there will be no 9mm/40/45 debate but it will all be like this. How much voltage is enough? What signal to put with thaat voltage?

[atrain08]

in 10 years there will be no 9mm/40/45 debate but it will all be like this. How much voltage is enough? What signal to put with thaat voltage?

First step towards the laser guns of Star Wars and the phazer(sp) guns of Star Trek.