MO: Under new law, no permit will be needed to hide pistols in cars,


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WAGCEVP
September 23, 2003, 06:39 PM
Now I'm jealous :) we don't even have this in Georgia, course in Georgia we don't have the mandatory training prior to getting a permission slip either.................


Under new law, no permit will be needed to hide pistols in cars,
>group says
>
> By BILL BELL JR.
>
> Post-Dispatch
> 09/19/2003
>
>
> JEFFERSON CITY - The people who are peppering sheriffs'
>offices with questions about how to get a concealed weapon permit may not
>understand one part of the law, officials said Friday.
>
> The law does not require Missouri residents to get a permit to
>conceal a weapon in a car, said James L. Vermeersch, executive director of
>the Missouri Sheriffs' Association.
>
> Under the legislation, people 21 or older may carry a handgun
>anywhere in a motor vehicle, with or without a permit. Prior state law made
>it illegal to hide a gun in an accessible place in a vehicle.
>
> Law enforcement officers met with state officials for the
>second time Friday to work out implementation of the law, which officially
>takes effect Oct. 11.
>
> Most sheriffs won't begin to process permits until Oct. 14,
>Vermeersch said. Oct. 11 is a Saturday, and the following Monday is
>Columbus Day, when many public offices are closed.
>
> Under the new law, the Missouri Highway Patrol will process
>applicants' fingerprints and send them to the FBI for a background check.
>Capt. Tim McGrail, director of the patrol's Criminal Records and
>Identification Division, said the department currently handles between
>26,000 and 40,000 fingerprints from nurses, teachers and other applicants.
>Some estimate that Missouri will have 60,000 concealed-carry applicants in
>the first year the law is in effect.
>
> Starting in July, people with a concealed-carry endorsement
>will have a special code on their drivers licenses. The permits are good
>for three years, but some drivers licenses are good for six years. That
>presents some issues for the state Department of Revenue.
>
> The department wants to send notices to permit holders who
>allow their endorsement to lapse, saying they will need to get a new
>license without the special code, said Rich Lamb, deputy director of the
>Division of Motor Vehicle and Drivers Licensing.

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RGO
September 23, 2003, 10:01 PM
We have this "privilege" in Louisiana. Although I wouldn't leave a gun in the car, it sure is nice not to have to lock them up in the trunk to go to the range.

MuzzleBlast
September 24, 2003, 11:53 AM
Starting in July, people with a concealed-carry endorsement will have a special code on their drivers licenses. Why not just make them all wear a big yellow star of David? How does carrying a gun relate in any way to the DMV?
Remember, anything that CAN be abused, WILL be abused.

Pumpkinheaver
September 24, 2003, 01:52 PM
As a Missouri resident I hate the fact that you can carry a gun will be advertised on your drivers license. I feel that there should be a separate card to identify yourself to someone should the need arise.

John Ross
September 24, 2003, 02:54 PM
"As a Missouri resident I hate the fact that you can carry a gun will be advertised on your drivers license. I feel that there should be a separate card to identify yourself to someone should the need arise."

There is. The people who actually wrote the law (NOT the legislators, as a rule) are smarter than you thought.

Cops wanted it on the DL because DMV is the first place they call when running someone. We didn't want CCW advertised on the DL if the permitholder didn't want it. Win-Win solution: You can get a NON-drivers license from DMV that costs $12 and looks like a DL. It will have the CCW notation on it, and your driver's license stays clean. Cop that runs your tags gets the CCW info, clerk at the store where you're showing your DL when you give them a personal check DOESN'T.

JR

outdoorman63
September 24, 2003, 04:52 PM
does anyone have the exact part of the law that shows this fact..i would love to read it..please post if you can and does that mean mags dont have to be seperate?

Standing Wolf
September 24, 2003, 11:15 PM
Under the legislation, people 21 or older may carry a handgun anywhere in a motor vehicle, with or without a permit.

That's the way it works in Colorado, too. It hasn't been the cause of any problems to date, and doubtless never will.

jimpeel
September 25, 2003, 02:42 AM
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

Statute text

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:

(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or

(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or

(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.

(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, ยง 1, effective July 1, 1993.)

(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:

(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or

(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

Pumpkinheaver
September 25, 2003, 10:42 AM
To Mr ross,


Thanks for the tip I never thought of getting a separate non drivers Id card.

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