NY) Parents claim courts were responsible for robber's death 09-22-03


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WAGCEVP
September 23, 2003, 06:44 PM
NY) Parents claim courts were responsible for robber's death 09-22-03
Date: Sep 23, 2003 2:40 AM
Address:http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20030922/1016717.asp
Courts criticized in death of robber
By VANESSA THOMAS
News Staff Reporter
9/22/2003

The parents of an 18-year-old who was gunned down while trying to rob a
Northland Avenue convenience store earlier this week say their son might
still be alive if the court system had not failed.

Last Monday, Jason A. Cramer entered a store at 882 Northland Ave. with
a pistol, demanded cash and fired two shots into the wall, police say.
The clerk, who was not hit, hastily grabbed a handful of money from the
cash register and placed it on the counter. Seconds later, the store
owner came from the back room and shot Cramer in the head, killing him
almost instantly.
The event has sparked mixed reaction.

Some gun advocates are praising the store owner - a 67-year-old
Vietnamese man - for using his registered gun to defend the family-owned
store.

Others are questioning the court system and asking why Cramer was
repeatedly given light penalties for committing violent felonies.

A month ago, Cramer had been arrested for the gunpoint robbery of a
Fillmore Avenue grocery store, but he was released from jail on a legal
technicality when prosecutors failed to hold a hearing within the
required time.

"Something went terribly wrong," said his father, Jeffrey Miller, who
lives in Boston. "How the hell did he keep on getting out of jail?"

His mother, Vindella Cramer, believes the courts were way too lenient on
her eldest child.

"Not that I wanted him to stay in jail forever, but I didn't feel
releasing him was the best thing for him," said Cramer, who raised her
son on Gibson Street.

Officials at the Erie County District Attorney's office said Cramer was
released from jail in the August robbery because the victim - their
principal witness - failed to appear at a felony hearing.

Last month, Cramer was arrested for robbing the New York Grocery at 1372
Fillmore Ave.

According to police reports, Cramer was wearing a black ski mask and
gray, hooded sweat shirt when he entered the store on Aug. 10, pointed a
handgun at two employees and fled with $202.

Cramer was charged with six felonies - two counts of robbery, two counts
of criminal possession of stolen property and two counts of criminal
possession of a weapon; he also was charged with three misdemeanors -
resisting arrest, reckless endangerment and obstructing governmental
administration.

On Aug. 11, City Court Judge David Manz held Cramer on $100,000 cash
bond or $200,000 property bond at his arraignment.

But when he appeared at a felony hearing on Aug. 15, he was released on
his own recognizance under a provision of the state law because
prosecutors failed to conduct the court proceedings in a timely manner.
Under that provision, anyone charged with a felony must have a hearing
within five days of arrest, but if that does not occur, the suspect must
be released.

Assistant District Attorney Paul S. Piotrowski, who is in charge of
violent crimes by juveniles, said the hearing didn't happen because the
robbery victim did not show up in court.

Family members say they were shocked and disappointed when he walked out
of court a free man. They had refused to post his bail and thought he
might learn a lesson by sitting in a jail cell, possibly inspiring him
to lead a more positive life.

Cramer was arrested again on Aug. 26, 11 days after his release from
jail, when officers found him with 20 bags of marijuana at Fillmore
Avenue and Sydney Street.

That time, Cramer was sentenced to 15 days in jail. Family members said
he served 10 days and was let go.

About 10 days later, Cramer was shot to death. Police did not release
the identity of the store owner, and they say the shooting will likely
be considered a justifiable homicide.

Vindella Cramer, a single mother raising four other children on public
assistance, said her son was a caring and gifted teen who bought potato
chips for his siblings, worked a brief stint at Darien Lake operating
amusement rides and graduated from School 11 with the second highest
grade in his class.

His funeral was held today in Love Alive Fellowship Full Gospel Baptist
Church, 1787 Genesee St.

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dinosaur
September 23, 2003, 07:23 PM
Oh,.......Never mind.:banghead:

greyhound
September 23, 2003, 07:37 PM
"Something went terribly wrong," said his father, Jeffrey Miller,

Well, dinosaur, someone had to say it!:)

The irony in that quote is just unbelievable.

feedthehogs
September 23, 2003, 07:46 PM
Nothing went wrong.

He's out of the system forever before he killed someone.

Futo Inu
September 23, 2003, 08:08 PM
They're right - he should not have been let out.
It's not actionable though.
Prolly good riddance in any event, IMO.

(you see that - now I'm starting to write Sam-haiku-style :) )

jsalcedo
September 23, 2003, 08:24 PM
graduated from School 11 with the second highest grade in his class

Yeah, the alternative school detention class for troubled kids with violent
tendencies.

C.R.Sam
September 23, 2003, 08:35 PM
Fault.....Parents raised a hoodlum.
Fault.....System coddled hoodlum.
Good.....Hoodlum gone.
Worms..Getting fatter.

Sam

Futo Inu
September 23, 2003, 08:36 PM
Sam

lol

obviously, it'll be some time before my haikus are up to snuff. :)

capt_happypants
September 23, 2003, 10:23 PM
Technically, the courts didn't kill him, it was the big, gaping hole between the eyes that resulted in Jason Cramer's departure from this mortal coil.

Grey54956
September 24, 2003, 03:15 PM
A haiku contest? Hmmmm... very gruesome subject, but hey, what the heck.

Hmmmm. I'll try my best:

Give me your money,
And some potato chips, too.
Bang! Food for the worms.

If I remember correctly, Haikus should have a 5-7-5 syllable format. Can anybody confirm this?

Carlos Cabeza
September 24, 2003, 03:21 PM
Not a haiku but,

Live fast,
Die young,
and leave a handsome corpse.

STW
September 24, 2003, 03:28 PM
Your fault says the mom
Real issue parental control
No, blame the system

HankB
September 24, 2003, 04:32 PM
Seems like a lot of things went wrong up until the end, when - thanks to a 67-year-old Vietnamese man - something went right.

Keith
September 24, 2003, 05:03 PM
Excellent shooting! A single shot in a moment of high stress and he tags this gollum right in the head!
I would suspect that any Vietnamese man of that age has a military background.
Just outstanding!

Keith

Jake
September 24, 2003, 05:27 PM
" Family members say they were shocked and disappointed when he walked out court a free man. They had refused to post his bail and thought he might learn a lesson by sitting in a jail cell, possibly inspiring him
to lead a more positive life. "


So let me get this straight. Now it's OK to not only let the TV, schools and goverment raise your kids but we can depend on the prison system too? Oh joy of all joys!!!!

BluesBear
September 24, 2003, 07:10 PM
only one word will be needed on the scumbag's tombstone..

KISMET

Standing Wolf
September 24, 2003, 09:52 PM
"Something went terribly wrong," said his father, Jeffrey Miller, who lives in Boston. "How the hell did he keep on getting out of jail?"
His mother, Vindella Cramer, believes the courts were way too lenient on her eldest child.

Voted for Liar Gore.

Kenneth Lew
September 24, 2003, 10:01 PM
The court system did work! It scumbag get what he deserved (a bullet to the head) rather than have the tax payers pay $30,000+ a year for his incaration. :banghead:

Hoo yahhh.

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