Will a .22 stop my assault rifle 'jones'.


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Jim PHL
December 22, 2008, 09:25 AM
I am a would be "panic buyer". After the election and probably more importantly, the Mumbai attacks, I said to my wife: "I'm buying an AK47!" I was surprised she didn't even blink. I started doing basic research and as most do, arrived at the old: "AK, AR, Ruger Mini or SKS" crossroads. I am starting another thread asking for additional suggestions.
OK, a few issues:
1- I consider myself to be more of a handgun guy. I don't plan to -actually hope not to- become a "rifle guy".
2- I don't hunt, and don't get to shoot outdoors as much as I'd like.
3- Seems money always has been and always will be an issue!
4- I know going into this next purchase that I am not likely to shoot any of these all that much. I don't even shoot my handguns as much as I'd like to/should!

So here's where I am.
-An AR is out of the question. Too much $$$.
-An AK47 is a little more in reach and probably what I'd prefer of the three, but still a real financial strain. (I'm looking at a wood stocked Romanian WASR10 at a little over $500 or a Yugo underfolder at a little over $600.)
-I've always liked the looks and feel of the Rugers but they're real pricey these days, too. I think if they were cheaper I'd go this route but their cost is close to AK cost around here.
-For what an AK would cost me I could buy 2 SKS's. I kind of like them and could see myself eventually possibly owning two; keep one stock and bubba-ize the other. I might even cure my urge with just one and save myself some dough!!

Before I became a panic buyer I was becoming interested in getting (at least one!) .22 rifle. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to feed and can shoot it anywhere I shoot my handguns, even the indoor ranges. I can imagine eventually getting two, as I thought about the SKS. Maybe two 10/22's, one with a nice wood stock and longer barrel and scope, and one shorter barrel I could add a folding stock and hi-cap mags to for my "Evil Black Rifle" jones!

I guess my main question is, has anyone gone this route and decided the .22 just didn't feed your need and go for something full power/centerfire, anyway? What do you all think of the panic buying, anyway? Justified? Two opposing thoughts stick with me:
1- "If you don't get one now you might not be able to when you really want one - or ever!"
2- "If you didn't have the need or desire before the election and Mumbai attacks, do you really have it now?"

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22lr
December 22, 2008, 09:40 AM
LOL, I have done exactly what you are thinking about. I bought a 10/2 jazzed it up and it fills the role quite nicely. On the down side it will leave you wanting more noise and range, but for upclose and personal work its a fun gun in and of itself

rfurtkamp
December 22, 2008, 09:47 AM
While .22s are fun, they're not going to provide you with what you apparently want.

I went down this road with carbines. What I wanted was a MP5 or quality clone or build of some type, in 9mm.

So....

...I bought an Uzi. It was cheap ($475 from Vector at the time). Tax stamp and mags later, it's fun, but it's not a MP5.
...I bought a Vector V51 HK-51 clone. It's the same size as a MP5, just fired a bigger, meaner shell. I love mine, don't get me wrong, it does everything I expected it to. It just wasn't a MP5. That one was a tax stamp too. Then I thought if I had one set up as a rifle and one as a short-range urban defense thing, I'd get the MP5 out of my head. Another tax stamp done.
...but it wasn't enough. Then I looked at the GSG-5 MP5 clones in 22. They're fun, but they feel cheap and toylike. And I wanted a MP5. This time I learned before I put money down.

So, several years down the road, 3 tax stamps, and enough to have bought an autosear at the time in semiautos....

...I bought one of the 100ish Vector MP5 builds in 9mm.

I'm happy. I don't need another one, I haven't had amazing gun lust for something I don't have.

And I only spent 3x what it would have cost me if I had just bought it outright in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I like what I've bought in getting there, but if I did it all over again, I'd just buy what I wanted and do it right the first time.

Do the same.

The little bit extra now will save you worlds of headaches and 'wish I had's later.

moooose102
December 22, 2008, 09:52 AM
i love 22's. they are a lot of fun to shoot. but it you want serious stopping power, a 22 ain't it! sorry to spoil your thoughts. you may want to consider a used remington 7400 in 308 or 30-06. SERIOUS stopping power, semi-automatic, lableled as a sprorting rifle, and you can buy 10 round magazines for them. find a rifle, put a hold on it, order the magazines (at least 5) to be certain you can get them, and you will be good to go. you can also stockpile ammo reasonably inexpensive (30-06 anyway) by buying excess leftover cartridges just after deer season. most retail stores buy to much, and have clearance sales after the season is over to get rid of the overstock. get a few used gi ammo cans, and you will be good to go. another plus of 30-06 is EVERYBODY carries 30-06 ammo! just something to think about.

Franco2shoot
December 22, 2008, 10:00 AM
Panic buyers advice. First to answer your question as to what will become of your 2nd amendment rights. Answer: Nobody really knows for sure, therefore it would seem prudent, to purchase now instead of waiting to see what happens.

Now what to purchase. Easy, one of each. You will need a wheel gun,(revolver), an Automatic,(think 1911), at least 1 shotgun, and at least 1 rifle.
Here's what I answered each category with:

Wheel guns, start with black powder Colt or Remington, there's your first 200-300 bucks, you can upgrade the Remington to fire modern day cartridges, for an extra 100 bucks, do that with your second paycheck.
Next, get a Mosin-Nagant rifle. This will set you back about 100 bucks if you shop around. Following paycheck start stocking up on 7.62x54r ammo, it is very inexpensive.

Three months into your purchase plan pick up a fairly short barreled shotgun, at a minimum Over/under 12 guage. Excellent for home protection using double 00 buck.

You can satisfy the Auto Handgun requirement with a used Walther PPK, probably cost you less than 300 bucks and now when you hear something go bump in the night inside your house, you don't have to hide in the corner of your bedroom, with your shotgun pointed at the door, awaiting John laws arrival.

Inside 6 months, you can forget what whims of the spineless Congressional idiots amount to. You will have become totally stocked up. As time allows prefect each category, and stock up on ammo for each.

KKKKFL

heron
December 22, 2008, 10:00 AM
A few months ago, I bought a plain-vanilla Saiga .223, thinking that the upgrade in firepower from my .22 Magnum might come in handy. I don't think of it as a panic buy; more like a preparedness buy (better to have one and not need it . . .). The main selling point was the price: $270+tax; I really hadn't expected to find a centerfire rifle that cheap. I like it. Look around and see if you can find one of those.

expvideo
December 22, 2008, 10:35 AM
I recommend 3 things, depending on your situation, and assuming you don't want to spend more than about $600 at the very most:

1. Just buy the AK. It's a great gun and you won't regret it.

2. Get 2 SKS rifles. They're in the same ballpark as the AK as far as reliability and they use the same cheap ammo, plus you can arm another person if the SHTF. Two rifles are always better than one, right?

3. If you only get to shoot at a public range that allows pistol ammo, get a 9mm rifle like a Beretta Storm. That way you have the cheap ammo, pistol ammo range access (some ranges require a pricey membership to shoot rifle ammunition), and you'll have a much more useful defensive round than 22lr.

You may want something else. These are just my thoughts on the subject.

Jim PHL
December 22, 2008, 10:42 AM
rfurtkamp-
That is sound advice. And honestly the thing I am most thoughtful of: that I will shop and spend, shop and spend, and end up eventually buying one of the ones I mentioned anyway. If I go that route, I might end up with an AR for about $1000 after spending another $1000 first figuring out that's what I really wanted in the first place!

Franco: I don't really have any desire for a shotgun right now, and my handgun needs are well covered. (My handguns 'wants' will probably never be covered! I'm afraid that's where the rifle thing will lead!!)

olivedrab
December 22, 2008, 10:46 AM
if you have a dunhams near you, check them for AKs

the wasr's have the Tapco parts installed and they usually have them on sale for <500

expvideo
December 22, 2008, 10:50 AM
FYI, if you get an AR, you can get a drop in .22lr conversion kit (ciener) for about $200. No gunsmithing required, simply replace the bolt carrier group. No tools. With practice, you could probably swithc from 5.56 to 22lr in about 10 seconds

NC-Mike
December 22, 2008, 10:56 AM
This is simple. If money is really the issue and you want the best bang for your buck, get the SKS.

JImbothefiveth
December 22, 2008, 11:00 AM
It depends on why you want it. If you're worried about a terrorist attack, .22LR probably won't work.(But if terrorists attack, I'd stay away. You don't want to get mistaken for a terrorist.)

If you want something for home defense, still no. (But I'd say get a 12 gauge instead.)

If you just want a plinker, a .22 should work.

jackstinson
December 22, 2008, 12:01 PM
I love .22's! And to try and stop my AK-jones, I tricked out a 10/22. That didn't work for me, so I put it back to it's standard carbine configuration. Then I bought the ubiquitous Armscor AK-22. It's sorta shaped like an AKM. But in reality is a Squires-Bingham trapped inside a bunch of cast AK-like castings and has a lot different feel. It's still fun though. Just a bear to tear it down to it's Squires-Bingham action buried inside all those AK-look-alike castings.
So I looked at the SKS.....at the time the ones in the shop were within $140 of the price of a WASR AK-type. So I figured I was already 2/3 of the way there. I traded a pistol (I was about to sell) in to cover the extra and was happy. Nothing stopped my AK-jonsing until I bought a WASR GP10/63; as reasonably priced as I could find, it's reliable and shoots well.
I primarily use .22 rimfires when I shoot rifles and have a ball with them. But when it's time to quench the AK-jones, the WASR gets loaded up. The smell of Russian 7.62x39, the clack of the action, the "whooomp" when the bullet hits the target, the muzzle fireball in the twilight...aaaaaahhhh :)
NOTE: I currently own many .22LR rifles, but only one centerfire..the WASR GP10/63. Horses for courses.

c5_nc
December 22, 2008, 12:41 PM
I got into assault rifles earlier in the year, bought a AK (a Yugo Underfolder), a Mini-14, and was loaned a AR from uncles collection (1 of three). If you can get a Yugo for a little over $600 its a steal still. There is no question if I could only have one it would be a AK, if the market for Yugo said they were selling for $1000 I would still buy one if I didn't have already. Its just a awesome weapon. I just sold the Mini buy a long range weapon. I would buy a SKS for value, since you can still order from dealers for $199. Then if you could afford it a AK.

RyanM
December 22, 2008, 01:23 PM
I'd get the AK in a few months when the panic has died down. There is absolutely no way you'd ever catch me paying more than $400 for a WASR.

Just keep saving money until then.

Just One Shot
December 22, 2008, 01:39 PM
If you want an AR-15, I've been told DPMS sells them for $600.00

aHFo3
December 22, 2008, 01:54 PM
The best part about your predicament is that your wife hasn't said no!

When I was hankering an assault rifle, I really wanted the AR and ended up settling on a Daewoo DR200, and I've regretted it ever since. Don't get me wrong, the Daewoo performs well, but it's not an AR.

Buy one of the best you can afford, because it's difficult to fire two rifles at once, and are you really going to post your wife on overwatch if the terrorists attack?

MeanGreenZ71
December 22, 2008, 02:12 PM
I bought an Yugo SKS a while back really cheap from a guy needing to pay some bills and I got it with a folding stock, a scope, cleaning kit, about 250 rounds of 7.62, and 2 extra clips. He claimed that it would only fire expensive ammo and would sometimes not fire that. I checked it out and the firing pin was gummed up. Quick fix and it has been a great gun. I personally feel the SKS is a better gun for me than a AK. The SK was bought kinda as a if the SHTF gun but I just got a awesome deal on a M&P 15 stripped lower so now I am going to build a REAL if SHTF gun!

I dont think you can go wrong with either the SK or the AK. They both are cheap to shoot and ammo can be stocked up on relatively cheap.

I have a couple .22's that I use to plink with as well. Extremely cheap day of shooting with them and most .22 rifles can be found at any pawn shop or gun shop.

Gord
December 22, 2008, 03:18 PM
You could also buy a sporter Saiga for around $300-350, and consider converting it later. The conversion's pretty easy to do in the space of a few afternoons and doesn't cost that much - another $150 or so in parts. Pre-conversion, you'll still have a fine sporting rifle that's relatively cheap to feed, which can be readily converted to an EBR if a ban looms.

ds92
December 22, 2008, 03:29 PM
Yes, i plan on buying a 10/22 and some high-cap mags for it. It simply makes more sense to me. I will use it primarily for hunting and some fun at the range, home defense/ SHTF is covered by my 12 gauge. here in CT, unless you hunt on private land, you cant use any rifle bigger than a .22lr, and a 10/22 does all i need it to do, and its cheap!

however, if i lived in a state where i could hunt with centerfires on state land, i would spend the cash on a saiga or something.

provence
December 22, 2008, 05:15 PM
1- I consider myself to be more of a handgun guy. I don't plan to -actually hope not to- become a "rifle guy".

It's a slippery slope to becoming a rifle guy. I bought a Marlin Model 60, then a WASR-10, now two Mosin Nagants.

My handguns are feeling neglected.

LKB3rd
December 22, 2008, 05:23 PM
An SKS would be a good choice. I use my 10/22 for cheap practice at the indoor range, but if you have a rifle jones, I know for me the .22 wouldn't satisfy it. It's my practice tool/plinker.

ohioarmedneutrality
December 22, 2008, 07:00 PM
To the OP:
First, I recommend that no matter what you do later, you should buy a .22 rifle to begin with. They're good for practice, plinking, some hunting and most importantly with the typically low to non-existent recoil, your wife will be able to learn rifle skills also. Fear of recoil is one of the biggest impediments to shooting and with a .22 that fear should disappear quickly. You should be able to easily buy a nice .22 rifle and probably a couple bricks of bulk .22 ammunition for less than $200. You don't have to get all "tactical 10/22" with it either. Keep it simple to start. Get a magazine semi-auto or tube fed semi-auto.

Second, you will want to move up to a higher caliber rifle. An SKS and/or an AK variant are good. If you ever get to the point where you can afford an AR, then by all means go that route. But for SHTF right now, I believe an SKS or AK will suffice and then some. SKS's are usually less expensive, and you will want to have the $$ to stock up on ammo.

Best of luck to you!

michiganfan
December 22, 2008, 07:05 PM
22 does not cure the EBR syndrome

Big Bill
December 22, 2008, 07:16 PM
My Assult rifle is either my Savage .300 WSM or my Ruger M77 .30-06. The first two pics are my 06.

U.S.SFC_RET
December 22, 2008, 07:18 PM
There are reasons why you should never negate the 22 rifle to a last ditch role. The 22 rifle certainly will not be my last choice. DPMS is selling the sportical and can be found under $700.00 and with a front and rear sight you have plenty. It comes with two 30 round magazines depending which state you buy it from.
I find the DPMS sportical very comparible to the AK in price so why go with the AK?

grimjaw
December 22, 2008, 07:21 PM
I had a similar experience to rfurtkamp. I had several pistol caliber carbines (Marlin Camp and 1894, Ruger PC9) before I ended up with a stock Colt 6450. I kept thinking, man it would be nice if this was SBR'd and full auto. Ended up selling it because I can't reasonably afford the cost to shoot something like that, much less buy it.

Now if what you like to do is just shoot and you aren't particular about caliber or range, a .22 might work for you. I have a gun for that, a Marlin 795, and it was cheap.

Make sure you know what desire you're trying to satisfy.

jm

xd45gaper
December 22, 2008, 07:23 PM
no it probably wont, more than likely IF there is another ban i highly doubt seeing ruger 10/22's on the list.

I would get an AK or AR if i where you. Keep your eyes open for a good deal on one, they can still be had. not every one is charging 2k for a Century built Yugo like the a$$ clowns on GB.

you can build an AR for "fairly" cheap. i dont know what your budget is but a S&W 5,45x39 upper is around 530$ couple that with a cheap lower you put togther your self and you are still in under 1k$ for an AR that shoots cheap russian ammo to!

I would say you could build an AK but honestly its just as cheap to buy one lol. unless you have a certain country you want a build from.

AIM surplus still has Romanian PSL rifles for about 700$. cheap ammo for it to boot to.

doc540
December 22, 2008, 07:33 PM
"I could buy 2 SKS's. I kind of like them and could see myself eventually possibly owning two; keep one stock and bubba-ize the other. I might even cure my urge with just one and save myself some dough!!"

Great minds think alike:

1954
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/SKS/1954/100_8803-2-1.jpg

ChinoTapco
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/SKS/TapcoChino/TapcoSKS017-3.jpg


OR


1952
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/SKS/1951/000_0388-2.jpg

BubbaTrooper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/SKS/Naval%20Rifle/SKSNavy022-1.jpg

pgeleven
December 22, 2008, 08:05 PM
look for the WASR 22LR, it may be a weapon that will meet you halfway. otherwise i suggest a 10/22 with some hi cap mags. i highly doubt you would be up for the EBR long haul if you dont get to shoot outside much. even a GSG-5 would be a great choice if you could find one

Grassman
December 22, 2008, 08:25 PM
Yeah, I'm going through this now myself, I don't have the dough for an AK or AR, so I went the SKS route. I got $325 in the gun, and I plan to get some aftermarket plastic for it too.

Macmac
December 22, 2008, 08:30 PM
There is a lot more than 100 bucks worth of difference between the WASR clone and a yugo underfolder.

The WASR was a single stack mag converted to double and has no dimples in the reciever to support side to side play in mags.

The yugo underfolder if it has grenade launching capabilty has a much thicker reciever. And is much more rugged.

The 7.62x39mm round is akin to a winchester 30-30 rnd, so not the high powder round claimed by media.

I won't pretend to know and understand your needs.

I own offering in arms from flinter to AK, Shotguns and hand guns as well, and my wife never has any problems with purchasing anything.

That works out well since then she has no problems.. err other than my soaking tomahawks to tighten the heads in the toliet.

T191032
December 22, 2008, 09:26 PM
Was in local gun shop, fellow behind the counter called a customer to tell them the SKS they had ordered was in, $249.

I've gotten that "gotta trade itch" so often, I don't even miss my SKS rifles, or the .223 Savage, or the Glock 21, or the blah, blah blah. :evil: :what:
I do miss the Ruger KGP-161, though. Local shop had em new (4" Bbl) for $515 and a used one like I used to have for $458. I decided I wasn't going to be too concerned with replacing it.

Rosstradamus
December 22, 2008, 10:50 PM
My thoughts:

1. A .22 isn't going to help. It's got no EBR-ness, and you know it.
2. The SKS is the best value, not because it's that great but because it's so inexpensive compared to an AK or AR.
3. If you can hold off, I think prices will fall back near where they were pre-November. Then an AK wouldn't be such a financial strain. I think it's a better choice than an SKS in every way except price.
4. Obamanation will be preoccupied with the economy in the short term. The only way I see a new ban happening is as a cheap feel-good measure to distract from failed economic policies. That means a year at least.

Liberty or Death 86
February 4, 2009, 07:41 PM
The real question is: What do you want to do with this weapon? Is it for home defense, high power range events, or just to have a sweet looking weapon? If you want a really sweet looking weapon, you can't go wrong with an AR type and if you want to feed it the cheap stuff, get a 22lr conversion kit. If you are a recoil junkie or don't want to mess around with the conversion, just leave the original hardware as is. For home defense, I personally keep a snub nose Taurus revolver but I want to get either an AR-10 by Armalite or go old school and get an M1 carbine. Both have considerable close in stopping power and are easily portable. The downside is the Ar10 has a tendency to go through walls. So don't use that if you have neighbors close by. If you want to use it for the range, you are going to want to use the AR type. They are much more accurate than the AK's and are infinitely more customizable.

pgeleven
February 4, 2009, 10:03 PM
i am going for one of these with my next 10/22 build

http://www.promagindustries.com/

http://www.archangelmanufacturing.com/pics/rifpistsite.jpg

itll be cheap to feed and convert a fun plinker into an EBR

indoorsoccerfrea
February 4, 2009, 10:08 PM
buy a saiga 7.62
it uses the same ammo as the AK, in fact it is based off of the same design. they run under $400, sometimes under $300. Very good quality as far as an AK variant goes

browningguy
February 4, 2009, 10:59 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/rifles.jpg

Ha, will a .22 fill the need. This pic doesn't include the 10-22, the SUB 2000,or the SKS, or the 2 SU16's. Unless you have a lot of will power one just doesn't do it.

The pic includes a FN49 in 30-06, AR in 6x45, Mini14, GSG-5, HK USC, AR in .50 Beowulf, AR in .223. And they are all fun to take to the range. But if you have some will power, a pistol caliber carbine might work for you. I love shooting my .22's, I also have five .22 pistols, but they don't have the excitement of shooting the bigger rounds, and they certainly aren't the right answer for most home defense uses.

The SKS is just an excellent rifle, I got mine back when the nearly new Yugo's were going for $119 and it is really fun to shoot. It's as accurate as most mini-14's, uses cheap intermediate ammo, and is as reliable as a rock. I modded mine with a rear sight replacement mount and a red dot because my tired old eyes didn't do well with the standard sights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/Rifles/sksmodified.jpg

lanternlad1
February 4, 2009, 11:12 PM
Classic Arms has WASRs for under $500.

http://www.classicarms.us/

pgeleven
February 4, 2009, 11:33 PM
you can pick up a WASR in michigan for about $360 (dunhams)

jws527
February 5, 2009, 10:20 AM
If the AK is what you want, the AK is what you should get. I was in the same boat last summer and waffled for months before deciding to splurge on the AK. I don't regret that decision at all - it's fun and it works flawlessly.

If you want to follow my lead, get a WASR-10 and then go pick up a Savage MkII from Walmart for $117, so you'll have your EBR and a cheap plinker. In my opinion, bolt action 22s are more fun than semi-autos because operating the bolt somewhat compensates for the lack of recoil (I like my toys to be interactive). They also tend to be substantially more accurate - I can put 10/10 rounds on a small shoot-n-see from 100 meters out with that Savage using irons and Remington bulk ammo (500/$15) - and I'm hardly an expert shot! There's something inherently satisfying about doing that with a $100 rifle and cartridges that cost 3 cents apiece.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 5, 2009, 10:26 AM
No, it won't. But it just might buy you long enough of a fix to get past the high-priced centerfires right now.

PryItFromMyColdDeadHands
February 5, 2009, 10:27 AM
I made my 10/22 an EBR this year and since then I made my sks an ebr, then after that I bought 2 ar15 lower recievers to build.......all in all it started with the10/22 lol
my REM 700 .243 is also an EBR by chance!

gidaeon
February 5, 2009, 10:32 AM
Inside every pistol guy, is a rifleman that doesn't know he's there!?..

For under $100 you can easily get a good used .22 semi auto. You won't struggle with paying to feed it, and it may get you more excited about center fire rifles. 'Course there are many good mil. surp. rifles to choose from. Mosin's for $80 still, or hunt for sks deal. IMHO, don't buy something just because of its shape, appearance, or EBR'ness. Buy it because you will use it and really like it.

Maybe something like this could tide you over while you save or wait for some price stabilization?

IndianaBoy
February 5, 2009, 10:49 AM
Everyone should have a 22. They are perfect for practice, and it takes practice to become a good rifleman.

Consider a CZ 452 22lr over a 10/22. It is easily twice the rifle for another 100 bucks.


The guys saying SKS are on to something. I don't own one but they are excellent for the price and the ammo cost. I have an AR and it is a great carbine.

eye5600
February 5, 2009, 11:13 AM
I don't think a .22lr is going to do the trick, but I don't see any point in the 'tactical' 22's. The firepower is the same as a Plinkster, after all. If you are actually in Philly or some other urban/suburban place, you might consider a 9mm like the Hi-Point or Kel-Tec. It's certainly enough firepower to make the BG's keep their heads down and reduce their ability to shoot at you, but at less risk of gunning down your neighbors.

You would get nearly as much firepower, all things considered, from a lever action rifle.

Davionmaximus
February 5, 2009, 12:09 PM
GSG5 Fantastic guns... check em out!!:D

pgeleven
February 5, 2009, 12:39 PM
GSG5 Fantastic guns... check em out!!

if you can find one anywhere

jackdanson
February 5, 2009, 12:44 PM
I'd get the AK in a few months when the panic has died down.

hah! Are you the same type that was saying "don't buy now, prices aren't going to go up post-election" before the election?

News flash folks, prices aren't going down for at least 4 years... not to mention the fact that they could be banned outright.

gdcpony
February 5, 2009, 01:17 PM
I will break with the norm here, and vote for a .22lr. Why? Because I believe everyone who shoots should have one anyways for cheap practice. You could use it at your indoor range, and IF you decide you need more then buy a centerfire. Meanwhile you still have a cheap and effective practice rifle. I dislike 10/22's but that is personal, and they do work. Savage, Marlin, Remington, and Browning all offer semi auto's that will give you practice on basic skills and even more advanced ones. My preference goes to the Buckmark, but it is pricey.
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If you do go centerfire, then it's all personal preference. You may not hunt now, but that can change (trust me my hunting is a side effect of my shooting). You may think a rifle is great, but in a city- and it seems you live in an urban environment- a shotgun has many advantages for defense. In fact, I think Saiga offers a few that might interest you. I believe they have a decent capacity and rumor has it they shoot pretty good with shot and slugs. I was thinking of looking into a 20ga for my 10yr old daughter (past the single shot stage now). That would be my first choice in a city where stray rounds can cause many issues. My wife's home defense is my H&R Ultra slugger with #6 shot. Not fatal, but out of a rifled barrel it is point, shoot, and reload (a slug) while they scream.
I use an AR or a bolt gun, but I can shoot deer out my kitchen window too. It makes a huge difference.

offthepaper
February 5, 2009, 02:10 PM
If money is an issue (like it usually is for me), I would buy 2 FA's instead of an AK. I would buy an SKS and a Highpoint carbine in 9mm for the wife (she's supportive, right?).
The SKS will give you better shooting results than most AK's will and the 9mm HighPoint will make a great low recoil carbine for the wife to learn and grow into. Possibly, a good HD gun for her. Maybe next year the wife will be the one suggesting his and hers AR's. :D

ejnogarb
February 5, 2009, 05:52 PM
I recently bought a .22 Marlin, and while it's great for plinking, I still want to get something bigger. I'm where you're at, but I'm thinking I'll save for a few years and wait for prices to come down again. My advice is to get an SKS, though. Wait a while to get the gun of your dreams.

Caeser2001
February 5, 2009, 10:37 PM
get a saiga in 7.62x39 or .308, you'll have the firepower for your need, and the ability to convert it at your own pace and income, buy some mags and ammo before the conversion

The Deer Hunter
February 5, 2009, 10:52 PM
I don't think people buy AR-15s just because they are evil looking. Well there's always that small percentage that does, but aside from that.

jpwilly
February 6, 2009, 12:46 AM
If you do pick up a 22lr I doubt you'll be happy with it (aside for a cheap plinker). Soon you'll be rubbing Maxoderm on it wishing it was bigger!

C-grunt
February 6, 2009, 01:18 AM
Some adds in the Shotgun News still had DPMS ARs for around 700 bucks. Aks can still be found for under 600.

Check out the CMP and pick up a Garand.

I still think you should get a .22 though. Great guns, cheap ammo and perfect for teaching new shooters.

rioalumni05
February 9, 2009, 10:10 PM
after putting a different stock and scope on my 10/22 i have found my black rifle wants somewhat not as severe.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/riogigalo/ruger1022002.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/riogigalo/ruger1022003.jpg

BlackHand1917
February 10, 2009, 10:59 PM
I own 2 AK's, an AR and an SKS. I am happy with all of them. However, since you don't want to become a dedicated rifleman, I would go for the SKS and a bunch of stripper clips. That is all the semi-auto firepower that is absolutely necessary.

Coronach
February 10, 2009, 11:41 PM
Will a .22 stop my assault rifle 'jones'.Probably not. :)

scottishclaymore
February 10, 2009, 11:45 PM
I personally feel the SKS is a better gun for me than a AK.

I have an AK and a Yugo SKS. The AK is new (managed to find it last month for under $500 -- Cabela's did not know what they had!) so we took it to the range last week. The SKS has been my faithful hog gun for a while now. I shot the SKS first, and then the AK. I must say... The SKS is a far nicer gun, IMHO. The AK actually had a fairly unpleasant trigger slap and was not nearly as accurate. I have kept mine with all the original furniture except for removing the bayonet to reduce weight a bit. I would recommend getting a couple of SKS's, like you mentioned.

Another SKS (probably the Norinco carbine) is somewhere in my near future.

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