Recommend me a great battle .308 rifle!!


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crash32
December 23, 2008, 05:34 PM
Hello guys....I am in the market for a .308 "evil" rifle. My friend has a M1 and I think it is a fantastic rifle, but I am looking for something a bit more sinister!

I had a few rifles in mind, but now I am trying to get more options. Initially, I had my eye on the DMPS .308 LR, but the more I thought about it the more it became a bench rest rifle to me as opposed to a "battle rifle". I might still get the DMPS, but for now the appeal has worn off a bit.

I was also had my eye on a PTR-91 since I think H&K's are so cool, but then I started realizing how many other options I had as far as the FAL's etc. Can anyone maybe recommend me 2 or 3 great battle rifles chambered in the .308 and also is capable of holding 19 or more rounds in the magazine.

Thanks for the help guys!!!!!!!!!! By the way my budget is anywhere from $1,000 to $2,000.

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Westley
December 23, 2008, 05:48 PM
Just get an armalite AR-10.

You'll probably spend another $1,500 making it perfect though. Especially if you don't have a good scope.

RP88
December 23, 2008, 06:01 PM
check out DSA for FAL-type rifles.

However, I would say that something like an M1A scout would be a much nicer gun to have, regardless of mag capacity, scariness, etc.

If I had enough money, an m1A is what I'd pick up.

Lone_Gunman
December 23, 2008, 06:09 PM
DSA FAL's are the way to go if you want an EBR in 308.

Girodin
December 23, 2008, 06:14 PM
+1 for the DSA FAL

Other choices:

M1A

Saiga .308

AR 10

I must say the when I think battle rifle I think FAL.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 23, 2008, 06:25 PM
Yeah, I'd look at an FAL from DS Arms, or a rifle from DPMS Panther Arms, an M14 style, or a PTR-91. All very nice.

WardenWolf
December 23, 2008, 06:32 PM
Saiga .308 is my choice. Cheap, reliable, accurate. Good choice all around.

Big Bill
December 23, 2008, 07:25 PM
Here's something different. Why not engage the enemy at a longer distance?

http://www.savagearms.com/images/centerfire/specialty/10FCM-Scout-DBM.jpg

Specialty Series Rifle/Shotguns

SAVAGE - 10FCM Scout Rif – with AccuTrigger™ and AccuStock™
Caliber 308 Win
Barrel Length 20.5"
Weight 6.25 lbs
Magazine Capacity 4 rounds
Stock Synthetic Accustock™ with three-dimensional bedding system
Sights Ghost Ring Sights and Barrel-mounted Scope Mount
Rifling Rate of Twist 1 in 10"
Features AccuTrigger™, Accustock™, matte-blued barreled action, free-floating and button-rifled barrel, Oversized bolt handle detachable box magazine, nylon sling
Suggested Retail $646.00

Runningman
December 23, 2008, 08:19 PM
If you want a good one get a IMI Galil.

crash32
December 23, 2008, 09:20 PM
I've got the long distance stuff covered besides I will always be able to buy a bolt action even after the semi-auto stuff is banned.

Besides that is why I decided that maybe the DMPS might not be for me since it is more of a benchrest rifle as opposed to a "battle" rifle.

I'm looking for something fun to shoot chambered in the .308. I agree the M1 is a fantastic rifle, but its simply not what I am looking for right now.

Any other suggestions!!??

J32A2
December 23, 2008, 09:27 PM
M1a socom in a Sage EBR stock!!!!!!!!!!!

JimmAr
December 23, 2008, 09:28 PM
Anything .308 is easy cake..

Golden Hound
December 23, 2008, 09:31 PM
SIG PE57!

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/119066000/119066669/pix993811796.jpg

Oh wait...you said your budget was $2000, not $9000.

crash32
December 23, 2008, 09:39 PM
I just researched the Galil and it looks like a pretty cool gun. The only thing is that it varies wildly in pricing and I'm not really sure what to look for. Also, there are not many of them for sale.

I have heard that the PTR-91 can very well get sub 1 moa......what about the Galil....how accurate are they?

lipadj46
December 23, 2008, 09:41 PM
Either an M14 clone of some type in a Sage or Troy stock or AR10 depending on if you want old school or new school and how much $$ you got to burn. Or maybe a FAL if you want something in between.

Schleprok62
December 23, 2008, 10:07 PM
Springfield Armory M1A's are great... I'd love one...


Cheers...

Golden Hound
December 23, 2008, 10:18 PM
About Galils, aren't some of them Century builds?

MM
December 23, 2008, 10:28 PM
My PTR is a grin-o-matic!
That stated, I have my eye on an
M1A. I carried an M-14 for a short while in the nav, selective, not so much, but on semi, very effective, very confidence inspiring, great sights!
MM

bozzman3
December 23, 2008, 10:31 PM
Get a PTR!!!Its the most fun you can have with your clothes on:).When you shoot it at the range a crowd will gather!!!They will all think I wish I had one!!!

Hi-wall
December 23, 2008, 10:36 PM
I have aan L1A1(British FAL) and an old Norinco M14 copy and happy with both

helz_mcfugly
December 23, 2008, 10:37 PM
I really liked my CETME sporter. the only thing I didnt like about it was the lack of optic mounts. the best one I found was a claw mount and it still lost zero after a few shots. but with iron sights the CETME or any G3 are awesome to shoot.

theken206
December 23, 2008, 10:40 PM
+1 for the DSA FAL

Pulse
December 23, 2008, 11:23 PM
SIG PE57!

i had the "joy" to carry that thing, i screwed up in basic training and as punishment i had to carry that monster instead of a SIG550 for almost a week.
it is a fine rifle, probably as durable as you can make a firearm and preaty darn accurate BUT .. it weights in at almost 16 pounds.
the only plusside with that weapon is that it is actualy controllable in full auto.
realy, it is a great rangetoy, but practical it is not.

(by dureable i mean you can use that thing as a makeshift assaultladder)


Oh wait...you said your budget was $2000, not $9000.

seriously that expensiv? they go for a little over 300 bucks over here. :eek:

G.A.Pster
December 23, 2008, 11:32 PM
IMO a 308 isn’t necessary; 5.56 ammo weighs so much less, and the magazines hold more, and the guns are lighter.

jpwilly
December 23, 2008, 11:43 PM
DPMS LR-308 AP4. I had all the same choices you have and went with the DPMS. Why? Super Accurate, reliable, endless options.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/101_1028.jpg

lipadj46
December 24, 2008, 12:13 AM
IMO a 308 isn’t necessary; 5.56 ammo weighs so much less, and the magazines hold more, and the guns are lighter.

Was anyone asking about 5.56? God knows we don't need another 5.56 vs. 7.62 thread. That horse is so beat it's not even amusing anymore. Sounds like the OP wants .308 not sure if he cares if it is necessary or not.

Jason_G
December 24, 2008, 01:32 AM
IMO a 308 isn’t necessary; 5.56 ammo weighs so much less, and the magazines hold more, and the guns are lighter.

It jest ain't the same...

Jason

jpwilly
December 24, 2008, 01:40 AM
IMO a 308 isn’t necessary; 5.56 ammo weighs so much less, and the magazines hold more, and the guns are lighter.

We'll 22lr weighs less than 223, magazines could hold more and the guns are really light too but that won't make them man stoppers. The 223 ain't bad but the 308 is far more versatile especially if you plan to hunt anything bigger than a coyote.

helz_mcfugly
December 24, 2008, 02:21 AM
Im also on the lookout for a .308 on an AR platform in the near future. I think Im going to go for the DPMS Panther kinda like jpwilly's up there only I want the 20" to 24" flooted BBL. those things ROCK!!

Kind of Blued
December 24, 2008, 02:42 AM
Can't go wrong with a SA M1A or a DSA FAL. Either platform can get you from a heavy duty long range gun to a short and handy carbine.

http://www.dsarms.com/images/SA58SPR-2.jpg

http://www.dsarms.com/images/SA58T48COL-2.JPG

http://www.dsarms.com/images/SA58CP-2.JPG

http://www.dsarms.com/images/SA58OSW-2.jpg

M1A:

http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:cr65-tq0U-dDFM:http://www.oneshotonline.com/store/images/SA9502.jpg

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:EbUTYEoX2HKRsM:http://www.webarms.com/Gun%2520Suppliers/Springfield%2520Armory/SA9102Large.gif

http://www.thegunroominc.com/gunroom/SOCOM16.gif

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/closeup/Mk14Mod0_Phil_Nguyen.sized.jpg

Golden Hound
December 24, 2008, 03:06 AM
The same is also true of the G3 platform...which I will always plug for its absurd simplicity and rock-solid ruggedness. No gas system, and can be taken apart and put back together by an ape. With a collapsible stock you can turn it into a carbine and with a cheek-piece, a scope and bipod, it can become a long range rifle.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f68/michaelvain/HK91SG1.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/tmcveigh/Projects/GunRights/images/hk_g3a4.jpg

Mike2
December 24, 2008, 09:08 AM
+1 on the DPMS but be prepared for a long wait if you order it from DPMS, mine won't be here until Sept of 09............been buying up ammo and mags like crazy til it gets here.

ds92
December 24, 2008, 01:30 PM
+1 for the M1A!!! that's my dream gun. Once i get enough spare cash (which, at this rate, might be quite a while) ill be bringing one of those babies home!

H2O MAN
December 24, 2008, 02:04 PM
M14 or M1A

I prefer custom SEI builds on Chinese M14 receivers :evil:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14_SEI_Mod-0-.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Mod-1_T-1.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/SEI-M21A5C-IED-RRM.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/NightFighter.jpg

crash32
December 24, 2008, 02:06 PM
I am definitely not interested in a .223 vs .308 discussion. I actually have most calibers covered and the .308 is a great caliber that I don't have yet. Enough said about that!!!!!

So far I've got it narrowed down to the PTR-91 and the DSA FAL! I simply wasn't able to find out too much information on the other rifles. I really did like the DMPS, but I do not plan on getting a scope mounted on this rifle since I have other rifles that are target rifles or long distance rifles.

lipadj46
December 24, 2008, 02:18 PM
Like I said above I prefer and own the M14 but I can see how some people may not like them as much. My second choice after an M14 would be an AR10 because out of all the .308 military rifles it is probably the easiest to scope, has the most choices for accessories and the parts are relatively common and cheap. But honestly between the M14, AR10, FAL and PTR-91 it is impossible to pick a loser as they are all great proven platforms.

Loggerlee
December 24, 2008, 02:44 PM
M1a,now I ramble on because some punk thought my message was too short and does not seem to appreciate economy of words,I guess I am supposed to go on and on about the accuracy and the reliability of the weapon now,reasonable price,good accuracy,can be made to look evil.

USSR
December 24, 2008, 03:38 PM
http://ussr.clarityconnect.com/FAL1.jpg

DSA Stg58 with low mounted Sightron SI 3-9x40 Mildot scope.

Don

Jaws
December 24, 2008, 04:04 PM
I'd go with the FAL. Tough, sinister and legendary. :D


Too bad FN decided to postpone the release of the .308 SCAR Heavy.:banghead:

http://sgcusa.com/images/large/SCAR-Heavy%20Standard.jpg

bozzman3
December 24, 2008, 04:09 PM
PTR= Magazines @$3 a piece,will digest any kind of ammo,looks supper
cool:rolleyes: Its also different not everybody has one. Very high quality,priced right,great support from the company,has a little kick to it


PTR= Heavy,operator controls are not laid out to well,trashes your brass.

Be warned that the PTR throws brass further then any rifle I have seen

lipadj46
December 24, 2008, 04:15 PM
PTR= Heavy,operator controls are not laid out to well, trashes your brass.

That is the one thing I don't like about that design. It is fine for the military or for non-reloadable Berdan primed ammo, but if you want to reload then I hear you are out of luck with the PTR-91 as it gouges up brass.

bozzman3
December 24, 2008, 04:20 PM
A port buffer which is a cheap mod helps reduce the damage to the brass. But wow the brass coming out of my gun could be used as a secondary wepon:p

shotgunjoel
December 24, 2008, 04:27 PM
Fn fal!!

helz_mcfugly
December 24, 2008, 04:50 PM
the DSA FAL would be the better of the two if youre looking for accuracy. you can free float the barrel, many upgrades for it and it will hold a optic very well. The PTR-91 is a little better on the pocket book, and a damn fine rifle if you're not going to put a optic on it. I had the CETME which is just a clone and there is not a scope mount out there that will hold zero on it, mine never had any brass problems, they all came out just fine and reloadable. If I had to pick it would be the DSA FAL just because you can get awesome accurace out of it and theres so much more you can do to it. hope that helps. I think Im going for the Brugger & Thomet (B+T) APR 308

Golden Hound
December 24, 2008, 05:20 PM
I have a port buffer and rubber pad - it keeps the brass from flying out of my HK91. The brass comes out with thin black stripes on it but is physically undamaged and not dented at all.

The G3 platform IS quite expensive to mod. There are many accessories out there for it that you can trick it out with, but they're not cheap.

H2O MAN
December 24, 2008, 06:54 PM
Too bad FN decided to postpone the release of the .308 SCAR Heavy.

Jaw's,
From what I can gather FN was forced to delay the H because it's currently a jam-a-matic POS.
On the plus side... the L is a flawless, reliable work of art... I want one


Maybe the 7.62mm x 51 NATO rifle round is best served semi-automatically (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1289448791930127574)...
if that's the case... I'll stick with the accurate, ruggedly reliable modernized M14 :evil:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2Os-SuppressedMK14SEIMod0.jpg

moonax
December 24, 2008, 08:06 PM
i would go with the DSA FAL for all the reasons stated One fine rifle
89779

Jaws
December 24, 2008, 11:40 PM
Jaw's,
From what I can gather FN was forced to delay the H because it's currently a jam-a-matic POS.
On the plus side... the L is a flawless, reliable work of art... I want one


Maybe the 7.62mm x 51 NATO rifle round is best served semi-automatically...
if that's the case... I'll stick with the accurate, ruggedly reliable modernized M14


I've never seen anything about jamming problems with the SCAR-H. Where did you read that? :confused: Can you share with us pls?

While the M14 is great wepon, it is an old design and is only so much you can do with an old design.

Let's face it. Materials, thechnologies and knowledge have improved a lot since the M14 was introduce.
A new weapon design, built from the ground up, with all the lessons learned in the last 50 years, will always have the advantage over an improved version of an old gun.

After a certain period you get better results and in the end save more money with the new weapon.
Just think of the advantages that come from the "modularity" of a new design.

lipadj46
December 24, 2008, 11:54 PM
While the M14 is great wepon, it is an old design and is only so much you can do with an old design

The Sage and Troy stock systems have completely rejuvenated the M14 as a platform IMO along with SEI and the like. It is a shame that so many were chopped up in the 90's.

The SCAR-H is an interesting rifle so let's see how it performs in the real world.

Jaws
December 25, 2008, 12:24 AM
I think what rejuvenated the M14 was the badly need for a semiautomatic sniper rifle in Iraq and Afganistan. The M-14 was the only good thing readily available in numbers at the time.
It was a great decision.

H2O MAN
December 25, 2008, 01:16 AM
Jaws

Let's face it. Materials, thechnologies and knowledge have improved a lot since the M14 was introduce.
A new weapon design, built from the ground up, with all the lessons learned in the last 50 years,
will always have the advantage over an improved version of an old gun.

Sounds good on paper, but the reality is that none of these new weapons have proven
themselves to be both as accurate and as reliable in battle as the modernized M14 is.

jpwilly
December 25, 2008, 01:31 AM
Ahem, Yes the M14 is pure shooting joy and so is the M1 Garand and the two aren't seperated by a whole lot. The new stocks for the M14 have modernized the platform. Correct me if I"m wrong but the new stocks offer a way to keep the M14 accurate without traditional bedding, Picatinny rails, adjustable stock. Otherwise nothing you cannot have in many other 308 platforms and also in many cases for a lot less.

IMO the AR platform in 308 from DPMS is a better choice because of Value and limitless amount of options that can be added at will. For example going from a long barrel upper for long range work to a short barrel just by swapping uppers. Try that with many of the other 308 battle rifles including the M14. Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing H20's awesome M14...it's a nice rifle system and will no doubt fulfill it's intended purpose. But I don't think anyone can argue against the Mr Potatohead rep of the AR platform.

Travis Bickle
December 25, 2008, 01:49 AM
Choosing Your Battle Rifle (http://billstclair.com/DoingFreedom/gen/0702/brifle.html)

nrthwoods
December 25, 2008, 02:31 AM
Would love to have an M1A scout myself, but since that's not quite what you're looking for, I can tell you the PTR's are great guns. Have never got my hands on an fal, but my understanding is they are superb rifles aswell, more ergonomic and if memory serves just a tad lighter. Can't speak for them much more than that, but I own a PTR-91F with the 18" bbl and they are great rifles. AK-rivaling reliability, and with decent ammunition is definately capable of 1 moa or better. If you really want yours to look evil, it's gonna cost you a little more than the AR-10 or some of the other suggestions to modify, I've got a B&T low mount on mine that's rock solid but I believe it was around $120-$130. The magazines are cheap as dirt, and even the light aluminum ones have never given me any feeding problems. If you feed it mil surp ammo you'll have no problem hitting a man sized target if you do your part. It will ding up the spent casing quite a bit, and send them flying, don't know if reloading is important to you or not. They are a little heavy but with a proper shooting position I don't find it too difficult to keep the post nice and steady. It's certainly a contender for my favorite of the ones I own, you won't regret having one if it's the route you choose. Hope this helps

nrthwoods
December 25, 2008, 02:37 AM
Oh, forgot to mention, the PTR's are made on genuine HK tooling also. Just have a bit heavier barrel. It's essentially an HK-91 with an affordable price tag.

Also, I've heard something about the receivers with the serial number starting with the letter 'a' being made by JLD themselves, and the 'b' receivers contracted out. Mine is an 'a' receiver, but was made after they switched to PTR 91 inc. Guess it'll give you one more thing to look into.

rfurtkamp
December 25, 2008, 03:03 AM
Fun? Check.

.308? Check.

Barely in your budget with tax stamp? Check.

Let me introduce you to your tooth-rattling friend.

http://robert.furtkamp.com/guns/nfafamily-web.jpg

Gemtech HVT sold seperately (and using it with this gun will void your can warranty from baffle strikes, not that I've seen any in a few thousand rounds).

Why get a PTR when you can get an evil, working MP5-sized gun in a big ugly cartridge?

Vector may be going under (the world's longest non-sale going out of business ever), but the V51s are still out there if you look.

rfurtkamp
December 25, 2008, 03:04 AM
Also, I've heard something about the receivers with the serial number starting with the letter 'a' being made by JLD themselves, and the 'b' receivers contracted out


A is built in house, B are bare receivers.

All my Vector guns are built on PTR receivers, serial Bs.

monadh
December 25, 2008, 03:18 AM
I have owned or extensively used all of the main players. The two I love the most (and would bet my life on) are the HK-91 and the DSA FAL. Hands down they are the top choices for me.

rfurtkamp
December 25, 2008, 03:26 AM
The two I love the most (and would bet my life on) are the HK-91 and the DSA FAL.

I'd agree on platforms, if I want a fullsize rifle I want a FAL, if I want a carbine I want a 51/53 though.

What eventually pushed it over the top for me though was the shared manual of arms with my MP5K-PDW build - although for long range designated marksman stuff, I'd much rather have one of my old unissued STG-58 builds. I just wish I'd kept more than a few of them ;(

crash32
December 25, 2008, 10:05 AM
Hello guys I've pretty much decided on the PTR-91 based on my research and what some of you guys have to say about yours!!! Thanks a ton for the input.

I want to buy one asap, but I am willing to wait until the next gun show. Would my best bet be to buy it from a certain online company that you guys know of or are they common at gun shows.

I have never gone to a gun show looking for a PTR-91 before so I do not even know if they are commonly found at gun shows. I went to gunbroker.com and some of those prices are just flat out unjustified. 99% of the guns there have NO BIDS on them..... I wonder why!

So if yall dont mind, recommend some good places I can look into for buying a new PTR-91.

Cheers and Merry Christmas!!

Golden Hound
December 25, 2008, 10:07 AM
Good decision. You will not regret the G3 platform. It is in a class of its own.

You can get the PTR at Atlantic Firearms. (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/storeproduct622.aspx) It's $1,099. Not a bad deal IMO. I don't know what the deal is with that shrouded fore-end thing in the picture...if I were you I'd see how much it would run me to get it with the wide fore-end instead. It's worth it.

One caveat - the PTR has a polymer lower with a fixed pistol grip that can't be removed, I think. You might want to get a spare lower so that you can swap out the grip if you want to get a really nice PSG1 target grip like mine.

Buy it online. Don't buy it at a gunshow unless you want to pay 2500 dollars for it. The relative rarity of the G3 and FAL type rifles compared to other more common types of rifles means that there are a lot of sellers out there who try to trick people and charge way, way more than they're actually worth, because they know there are fewer people out there who are familiar with those sort of rifles and know they're being ripped off.

MTMilitiaman
December 25, 2008, 12:32 PM
Let's face it. Materials, thechnologies and knowledge have improved a lot since the M14 was introduce.
A new weapon design, built from the ground up, with all the lessons learned in the last 50 years, will always have the advantage over an improved version of an old gun.

To an extent. But lets not forget that all of the rifles being discussed are about the same age. The AR-10 and the G3 have their beginnings at the same time as the M14, as does the FAL. The M16 is pretty old itself--what, like five or six years younger than the M14? Also, even most modern systems borrow from older ones. For example, most of the short and long-stroke gas piston systems can be traced directly to the AR-18 and the Kalashnikov, respectively. The G36, when you get right down to it, isn't much more than a product improved AR-18.

For years, the M14's stock system kept it out of the forefront because it required bedding to maintain accuracy and limited adjustment as well as accessory options. This combined with the difficulty in mounting optics were the primary complaints against the platform. Current chassis systems allow much more flexibility in terms of stock adjustment and ergonomics. Most of them increase accuracy while completely eliminating the need for bedding. And they make optics mounting much easier. All said and done, they fix all legitimate problems with the platform. Only negatives would be a few additional ounces in some cases, and the expense. The hard part can be just figuring out which chassis system you want. The Sage and the Troy would be good places to start.

The PTR-91 from most reports is a fine rifle. I would suggest you handle one before purchasing, however. Some do no like the ergonomics on the HK roller lock clones. In the past, the triggers have been pretty bad. By the time you consider the cost of a trigger job and possibly a paddle magazine release conversion, some of the cost benefit of the platform is eliminated.

I prefer the M1A/M14, then the FAL, then the HK roller locks. None of them are bad rifles, and you could be happy with any of them, but that's my preference.

Jaws
December 25, 2008, 03:27 PM
Let's face it. Materials, thechnologies and knowledge have improved a lot since the M14 was introduce.
A new weapon design, built from the ground up, with all the lessons learned in the last 50 years, will always have the advantage over an improved version of an old gun.

To an extent. But lets not forget that all of the rifles being discussed are about the same age. The AR-10 and the G3 have their beginnings at the same time as the M14, as does the FAL. The M16 is pretty old itself--what, like five or six years younger than the M14? Also, even most modern systems borrow from older ones. For example, most of the short and long-stroke gas piston systems can be traced directly to the AR-18 and the Kalashnikov, respectively. The G36, when you get right down to it, isn't much more than a product improved AR-18.



I wasn't comparing the Mk14 with the other rifles suggested here.
From what is now available in 7.62mm NATO, M14 is right up there to the top. I said is too bad FN postponed the release of SCAR-H (for the civilians) and I got this answer:


Jaw's,
From what I can gather FN was forced to delay the H because it's currently a jam-a-matic POS.
On the plus side... the L is a flawless, reliable work of art... I want one


Maybe the 7.62mm x 51 NATO rifle round is best served semi-automatically...
if that's the case... I'll stick with the accurate, ruggedly reliable modernized M14

In that answer someone else was comparing the 7.62mm SCAR-H with an M14. That's why I answered the way I did. The SCAR is completely new design built from the ground up and ensures a high degree of parts commonality between multiple rfles and it can be customized to what ever the mission requires. You can make it anything from a SCAR light with short barrel to a heavy one with long barrel and everything in between, as the mission requires.
M14 just can't compete in this respect.

bozzman3
December 25, 2008, 05:39 PM
Crash32 down load CDNNs catalog they have PTRS for $965

jpwilly
December 25, 2008, 05:57 PM
You can make it anything from a SCAR light with short barrel to a heavy one with long barrel and everything in between, as the mission requires.
M14 just can't compete in this respect.

But the AR can.

crash32
December 25, 2008, 07:13 PM
Thanks a ton guys. Just like you suggested the main 2 sites that I found them on were Atlantic Firearms and CDNN. Is one of them better to deal with?

I might be mistaken, but it seems as if several people on this site were making a big stink about their experiences with Atlantic Firearms. I think it was some people who had bought some M1s from there. Any suggestions on which company to go with??

Thanks again

Chaotic Mind
December 25, 2008, 07:32 PM
Springfield Armory M1A. Nuff said.

powermad
December 25, 2008, 07:36 PM
I would not buy anything until you have handled it.
Sure would be a shame to buy it online and go through all the hoops and then find that you hate the trigger, hate the way it handles, hate the way it shoulders, hate the way it shoots, etc, etc.
But if cool looks are the only thing you are worried about then pay no mind to me.

Not everyone is the same shape and size. What may be the greatest thing since bottled beer to one may be a huge disappointment to you.
The best rifle is not what everyone else thinks it is. The best rifle is the one that works for you. ;)

crash32
December 25, 2008, 08:07 PM
After Christmas lunch today, my friend and I drove over to his brother in law's home and I got to handle his CETME. Although I did not get to shoot it, it felt great!

So guys Atlantic Firearms or CDNN???? Personal experiences with either company would be great!

rfurtkamp
December 25, 2008, 08:09 PM
CDNN has never done me wrong. You'll get what's advertised in a prompt and reasonable manner.

Click Click Boom
December 25, 2008, 08:27 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=411569

Here are some comments on three .308 rifles

thebaldguy
December 26, 2008, 09:57 PM
I like both of your two choices, but I would go with the FAL.

If you shoot it a lot, you may end up reloading brass. I think the other rifle has a fluted chamber which can be hard on cases.

HeavenlySword
December 26, 2008, 10:58 PM
HK G3 clones, i love the look of the G3A4

If you favor old-style ergonomics over new style, the Springfield Armory M1A is beautiful, but hideously overpriced these days...

onebigelf
December 26, 2008, 11:04 PM
I have a CETME, which I'm selling, not because it isn't a great rifle (it is) but because I also have a FN-FAL.

John

The difference between a rifle in .223 and a rifle in .308
is the difference between cover and concealment.

And that's all I have to say about that!

xx7grant7x
December 26, 2008, 11:37 PM
M1a socom in a Sage EBR stock!!!!!!!!!!!
My dream gun!!!!!!!! mines only A crappy standard M1A :-)

Jason_G
December 26, 2008, 11:44 PM
Quote:
M1a socom in a Sage EBR stock!!!!!!!!!!!
My dream gun!!!!!!!! mines only A crappy standard M1A :-)

Meh, you got the better gun IMO. The Standard balances soooo much better than the SOCOM's in my hands. YMMV...

Jason

winston smith
December 28, 2008, 10:39 PM
I hope that whatever gun you get, you can find a few magazines for it. Might be a good idea to get the magazines first.

Just an idea from survivalblog.

Winston_Smith
December 28, 2008, 11:17 PM
+1 to mag price as a factor. G3 and FAL mags tend to be the cheapest and are readily available.

rfurtkamp
December 29, 2008, 01:04 AM
G3/91 mags are obscenely cheap ($2-4). They're not going anywhere any time soon.

FAL mags are still affordable, although I got all mine back when they were still $2 a pop in bulk or less from the big distributors. Think market is $10-15 these days.

Lloyd Smale
December 29, 2008, 10:47 AM
lots of good choises out there. Me I have the bug for a socom

H2O MAN
December 29, 2008, 10:58 AM
The SOCOM is a great choice, but you may want to consider the Scout before you spend your money.

gwrider
December 30, 2008, 09:57 PM
check out an FAL. always a good time to buy another one. If you can find a pre banwith the long flashhider you will have a great rifle. CAI is a good cheap one 800.00 ish. even if it has problems its still a fixer upper

Don357
December 30, 2008, 10:32 PM
Nobody mentioned the BM-59 or the 7.62x51 Garand or the .308 Valmet.

jarhead98
January 1, 2009, 07:40 PM
Hey, I just bought a PTR 91. I see that HK G-3 were sold to Saudi and some African country. Mexico had the CETME... I live in SE Arizona, gets a little sandy here. Does anyone know how well the G-3 does in the desert? Thanks!

Travis Bickle
January 1, 2009, 07:58 PM
I live in SE Arizona, gets a little sandy here. Does anyone know how well the G-3 does in the desert? Thanks!

According to this article (http://billstclair.com/DoingFreedom/gen/0702/brifle.html), the G-3 is even more reliable than the AK. You shouldn't have any problems.

nrthwoods
January 5, 2009, 03:09 AM
You would definately want to get your hands on one for the feel, but if you've handled a CETME those are pretty much identical. A local gunshop here had the 16" version, so I got a feel for the ergonomics. I was in the market for one with an 18" bbl, and asked around at a gunshow and suppose I got lucky. They didn't have one with them, With the MSRP over $1,200, I got mine brand new for $950 from their shop in a town a couple hours away, shipping included. They set me up with a local FFL they use who only charged $10 for the transfer. Rifle arrived in perfect condition, no scratches/marks and sill had the factory grease on the inside. Just for what it's worth, if you havn't bought one yet. I was in a hurry to get mine aswell, was going to buy from Atlantic but they were not very helpful in getting it put together, and didn't seem to care if they had my business or not so I took it elsewhere, and got it a little cheaper for that wait.

Wesson Smith
January 5, 2009, 04:07 AM
Dsa sa-58

dogngun
January 5, 2009, 01:06 PM
My evil black rifle is a FAL. Try www.falfiles.com/forums/ for a ton at least of great FAL information and experience.

mark

H2O MAN
January 5, 2009, 02:31 PM
It has something to do with barrel harmonics, but the SOCOM performs best when in the
TROY stock and the 18.0" and 22.0" barreled M14s are better performers in the SAGE EBR.

amprecon
January 6, 2009, 12:21 AM
What about this "Evil Black Bullpup" .308?

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/rfb.htm

rfurtkamp
January 6, 2009, 12:44 AM
What about this "Evil Black Bullpup" .308?

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/rfb.htm


Vaporware for years now.

MarcusWendt
January 6, 2009, 02:40 PM
Since your heart seems set on a battle rifle I'd say you need to stick to the PTR-91 or FN FAL type rifle. I think either one of these would do it for you. You need to decide which pluses and minuses of these two are most important to you.

I'd own a PTR, but I'd love to own both.

Martyk
January 6, 2009, 08:20 PM
I would love to own a M1A National Match, but this got in my way first. PTR MSG91 Permiter Rifle. Having a lot of fun with it! It's a very accurate rifle and I just beginning to develop loads for it.

crash32
January 6, 2009, 11:17 PM
WOW!!! I'm surprised to see that this thread is still alive! I finally picked up my PTR-91 from the gun shop and I must say..... its one good looking rifle.

I'm really excited about taking it to the range this Saturday. I guess we'll see how far I can get it to throw brass and some good groupings at 100 yards wouldn't hurt either!

jpwilly
January 7, 2009, 12:00 AM
How do you like that cocking handle...feels like a garage door spring to me.

Martyk
January 7, 2009, 01:10 AM
The spring feels & sounds OK to me, but getting the cocking handle from the folded position to the open position is very stiff yet. Somewhat of a PITA but I'm thinking it's still ain't broke in yet. :) I've only got about 250 rounds through her so far.

crash32
January 7, 2009, 01:26 PM
Getting the handle from the folded posistion to open is a bit difficult for me too. I'm gonan put a tad bit gun oil on it and work it out..... I'm sure that it'll be come much easier as time goes by.

H2O MAN
January 7, 2009, 01:34 PM
Recommend me a great battle .308 rifle!!

I recommend something like this Black EBR :evil:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Black-EBR.jpg

Robert
January 7, 2009, 02:01 PM
I have a FAL build around a DSA upper. Fine weapon. Not a competition firearm, but if I drop it on a rock I won't cry. It is accurate enough for my purposes, and mags are not all the much.
Be careful when buying anything that was build from a kit. Some companies seem to use trained monkeys when assembling their kits. Mine was built by a gun smith that took the time to do it right ensuring I have a great rifle.

DavidIcke
January 17, 2009, 10:33 PM
Hmmm...sinister...recommendation?

SA58 FAL Medium Contour Rifle, .308 Cal.
http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Medium-Contour-Rifle-308-Cal/productinfo/SA58MCCM/

DuraCoat/Camo Patterns
http://www.dsarms.com/DuraCoat-CamoPattern.asp

Oops...I think that the photo is the digital urban camo pattern on a carbine (http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Carbine-Rifle-308-Cal/productinfo/SA58C18/ )

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=722

According to David Crane of DefenseReview.com, "This particular SA58C carbine features a 4-sided Mil-Std-1913 rail system/forend rail tube outfitted with a tactical foregrip and a side-folding buttstock." And Ms. Ariana Lezama "was nice enough to pose ...for Defense Review".

Ms. Ariana Lezama and the SA58C Carbine
http://www.defrev.com/1_31_2004/DSA%20Inc.%20SA58%20Subcarbine%20Urban%20Camo_2.jpg

DavidIcke
January 17, 2009, 10:40 PM
Hi Crash. Congratulations on your new PTR-91. I just wanted to post in this thread for anyone else and to show the pic.

Okay, okay, I don't have a DSA FAL but I want one but until my shoulder gets better I'll be using my Bushmaster Patrolman's carbine. But from what I've read the DSA FAL is a better rifle for some than the Springfield M1A. (of course opinions are like elbows everyone has 2) But I'm ignorant about both of them really except for what I've read...no personal experience, and I really just wanted to post a link to the picture! LOL! :) And I didn't even know about PTR 91 F G3 HK91 STYLE .308 from Atlantic Arms until someone posted...So many choices...if one has the money.

And I found this too:

CETME RIFLES
http://www.classicarms.us/

ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT A CETME RIFLE IT IS A FINE LOOKING PIECE OF HARDWARE. MADE IN SPAIN THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL VARIATION OF THE WORLD FAMOUS HK-91 RIFLES. CHAMBERED IN THE POWERFUL .308 ROUND THESE HARD HITTING SEMI-AUTO RIFLES ARE WORLD FAMOUS FOR THEIR ACCURACY AND RELIABILITY. IF YOU HAVE EVER SEEN THE MOVIE SNIPER THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE WEAPON BILLY ZANE CARRIES. THEY HAVE BEEN SO HARD TO GET BUT WE JUST RECEIVED A SMALL BATCH AND THEY ARE IN STOCK AND READY TO SHIP.
COMES COMPLETE WITH 2-20 ROUND MAGS.
DON'T MISS THESE, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW AND WHEN THEY ARE GONE THEY ARE GONE.....$699.95

http://www.classicarms.us/images/crletter-219.jpg

jgatsios
January 18, 2009, 12:10 AM
Wait for Robinson Armament's .308 XCR-M. Nothing better exists. robarm.com

DSA's SA58 gets a close second place.

HGUNHNTR
January 18, 2009, 12:36 PM
PTR91 shoots well, eats everything (except magtech 308 junk)

dec7th1941
March 27, 2009, 04:50 AM
ey, Crash! Send us a pic for pete's sake. I've read this whole thread and I'm interested in your experience in choosing and buying a weapon under your stipulations. I'm in the same boat now, but unlike you i lean more toward a m14/m1a derived model. How bout the pros/cons on your new ptr91? Good deal?

Warlokke
March 28, 2009, 07:13 PM
Check out the soon to be released HK MR762 if you want a sexy, evil, black rifle.......drool! It is the civilian version of the HK 417 and is supposed to be released end of this year, but you can bet it will set you back some serious green! :evil:

scythefwd
March 29, 2009, 01:24 AM
M1 Garand. There were a few that were originally .308 instead of 30 cal m1. A rebarrel job is all it takes to do the conversion. The same en blocs and everything else is used.

Rifleman 173
March 29, 2009, 04:05 PM
I'd go with a Rock River Arms LAR-8 in .308/7.62 NATO. Put a good scope on it, use high quality ammo with it and brag about it using the cheaper FAL magazines while your buddy's mags cost about $45.00 each or something to that effect. Get one with a detachable rear sight handle on it so you also can switch back and forth and brag about it while your buddy can't...

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