High Point or Beretta


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marineman
December 23, 2008, 04:34 PM
If you had to choose between the Hi-Point 995 Carbine w/ATI stock and the Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm, which would you pick? Imagine yourself legitimately shopping for a 9mm carbine when you vote in the poll. Thanks.

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tblt
December 23, 2008, 04:37 PM
Hi point is cheap

blkbrd666
December 23, 2008, 04:38 PM
Did this a few months ago...bought the Beretta.

sherman123
December 23, 2008, 04:41 PM
It depends on if you want a cheaper carbine or not I've owned and shot a hi-point but never touched the beretta. My Hi-point was 100% reliable but then again I didn't shoot it much and didn't like that I could only get 10 rd mags for it. I'd imagine the beretta would be much better quality but I'd think a Kel-Tec sub2000 would be a great choice to look at it accepts glock magazines and can fold down to a really compact size for storage or concealment in a duffel bag,etc...

marineman
December 23, 2008, 05:03 PM
Where do you find the Beretta? I've been looking all over. The Hi Points are everywhere, but I can't find any Berettas so I don't even know what the going price is. This is true for online and in stores.

22lr
December 23, 2008, 05:06 PM
Id say non of the above, bet a 9mm AR:evil:

OOOXOOO
December 23, 2008, 06:14 PM
I voted for the Beretta but it is because I find the HP ugly. I have handled both and they are both built tough enough. But, if I am spending your money, definatly Beretta.

NC-Mike
December 23, 2008, 06:41 PM
Id say non of the above, bet a 9mm AR

I had a Hi-Point 995. Stone cold reliable but a bitch to break it down and clean so I stopped doing it but the carbine kept running anyway. Hi-Point carbines are reliable and reasonably accurate.

That said I got bored with it, sold it and spent 1,400 for a 9mm AR, Bushnell Red Dot and a bunch of Sten mags. :uhoh:


Kinda miss the Hi-Point. I used to call it my Ugly-Stick. :)

lipadj46
December 23, 2008, 08:34 PM
Voted for the Beretta but I actually bought the hi point and put it in an ATI stock and got a CX4 clone for $250. I like the CX4 Storm but it is a bit pricey for a pistol caliber carbine. If money was no option take the Beretta but just for fun on a budget get the Hi Point. Just don't try to justify it besides it is fun.

jonnyc
December 23, 2008, 08:37 PM
Bad poll.
Anyone with $600+ to spend would be a fool not to get the Beretta. All the rest of us would get the Hi-Point. I don't believe it's really an issue of choice...just practicality.

jhco
December 23, 2008, 08:39 PM
Kia or Ferrari

lipadj46
December 23, 2008, 08:46 PM
Kia or Ferrari

The problem with that analogy is that the Beretta really does not out perform the Hi Point unless you count the higher capacity mag. Otherwise then there is nothing that the Beretta does that the Hi Point cannot do just as well.

NC-Mike
December 23, 2008, 09:55 PM
The problem with that analogy is that the Beretta really does not out perform the Hi Point unless you count the higher capacity mag. Otherwise the there is nothing that the Beretta does that the Hi Point cannot do just as well.


Exactly. My old Hi-Point also did the same thing as my new 1,400 dollar 9mm-AR setup, only the Hi-Point was lighter and handled better. :banghead:





And I would never disgrace a 995 carbine by putting one of those ATI stocks on it. :p

lipadj46
December 23, 2008, 10:09 PM
And I would never disgrace a 995 carbine by putting one of those ATI stocks on it

Honestly though the plastic that the Hi Point stock is made out of is ridiculous. You can feel it "give" just by squeezing it in your hand. And the trigger guard was made from the same stuff, very flexible. Plastic stocks can be cheap and flexible but Hi Point really went above and beyond with that stock. Like someone else said before they really went out of their way to make a bad looking (and feeling) rifle. But that said it works well enough. In the ATI stock the 995 is like the Beretta CX4's white trash cousin. Almost as good looking, a little rough around the edges but always good for a fun cheap time.

blkbrd666
December 23, 2008, 10:12 PM
For those who have, or had, the Hi-Point...are they ambidextrous also?...mag release and ejection port?

lipadj46
December 23, 2008, 10:14 PM
Nope

NC-Mike
December 24, 2008, 07:26 AM
Honestly though the plastic that the Hi Point stock is made out of is ridiculous. You can feel it "give" just by squeezing it in your hand. And the trigger guard was made from the same stuff, very flexible. Plastic stocks can be cheap and flexible but Hi Point really went above and beyond with that stock. Like someone else said before they really went out of their way to make a bad looking (and feeling) rifle. But that said it works well enough. In the ATI stock the 995 is like the Beretta CX4's white trash cousin. Almost as good looking, a little rough around the edges but always good for a fun cheap time.

Just kiddin around, sort of...

To me, part of the charm of the 995 was that ugly barracuda look of the stock. Plus the fact it mounts and handles really well. It is ergonomic as all get-out. :)

finfanatic
December 24, 2008, 07:45 AM
Bud's has the 9mm Cx4 Storm for $779 delivered....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/86/products_id/13434

Has the Hi-Point with the 2 Mag pouch on the stock for $239.

I'd take three Hi-Points over one Beretta I believe.

penny
December 24, 2008, 09:24 AM
I have the Hi-point 995, always wanted the Beretta but I resemble this remark" Almost as good looking, a little rough around the edges but always good for a fun cheap time. ";):)

The 995 remains in it's stock conditon because it shoots and handles way to well as is!

But if I had your money I would buy the Beretta:)

HankC
December 24, 2008, 09:40 AM
Had my Hi Point with intention to put on ATI stock. It is 100% reliable but it is only as accurate as my most accurate pistols and it is made of cheap materials and looks cheap. Sold it and never look back.

franconialocal
December 24, 2008, 09:45 AM
I won't even give this poll the honor of a response...........oh wait, I just did......

I guess what I'm trying to say is "Beretta"....

Cannonball888
December 24, 2008, 11:17 AM
Neither.
Kel-Tec sub-2000 9mm. I want something that can fit in a 16" pizza box.

NC-Mike
December 24, 2008, 11:40 AM
Neither.
Kel-Tec sub-2000 9mm. I want something that can fit in a 16" pizza box.

That is a worthy consideration.

I'm after one that takes Beretta 92 mags.

NC-Mike
December 24, 2008, 11:42 AM
The 995 remains in it's stock conditon because it shoots and handles way to well as is!



I agree completely. As funny as that rifle looked, it mounted and fit me perfectly. It is a very handy little carbine.

I see another one in my future if they don't ban it first.

Mr.Revolverguy
December 24, 2008, 12:25 PM
Mine is deadly accurate in 40S&W, and I also have a 90-Two to go along with it. The magazines are inter changeable just like what you are looking for. Even the 20 round magazines I got for the cx4 works in the 90-Two with no issues.

Since you are looking now it is hard for me to say. I purchased my cx4 brand new for $459 when they first came out. How in the heck are they $779 right now? :what:

The CX4 does have a ton of accessories as well.
http://www.houtsenterprises.com/cx4.html

I guess the CX4 still gets my vote.

Dookie
December 24, 2008, 12:48 PM
I have been contemplating getting the hi point for a truck rifle. But have also been looking at the Ruger PC9 and PC4.
With all the love people seem to have for their hi points I will probably end with that one.
The beretta is just to much out of my price range for a rifle I won't be shooting all that much and will end up being tossed around.

41magsnub
December 24, 2008, 01:21 PM
As others have said it is not really an apples to apples comparison due to the price. I have a HP with an ATI stock that is very reliable. I need to do some sanding on it though, it keeps breaking the plastic bases on magazines because I think the action is not sitting right. Works great with the factory storm trooper stock. I did have to sand the edges of the factory stock since they did not mate up right and I was getting what amounted to paper cuts.

rondog
December 24, 2008, 01:38 PM
I have a HP 4095 carbine, and bought a 995 for my grandson. They're both accurate, reliable and TONS of fun!

I'm not a gun snob, don't buy guns according to price and prestige, and I HATE the "you get what you pay for" attitude that seems to prevail amongst most gun snobs.

I'm after the fun & affordability factors, not a hunting or combat weapon or something to brag about, and the Hi-Point carbines fill that role very well for me. All I want now is more magazines for them.

I could also use the good sense to turn off the red-dot sights on them when I'm done, so I can quit killing the batteries.

glassman
December 24, 2008, 03:42 PM
I found this one in the 'used rifle' rack at my local shop and paid less than $300 for it. It has a scratch on the barrel but otherwise is in perfect shape. I added the riser, scope and tripod after the sale. It's very solid and easy to break down for cleaning. It fits me well and is very accurate if I do my part.
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/glassman_photos/CX4STORM.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/glassman_photos/bestten.jpg

bonedust
December 26, 2008, 12:46 PM
The problem with that analogy is that the Beretta really does not out perform the Hi Point unless you count the higher capacity mag. Otherwise then there is nothing that the Beretta does that the Hi Point cannot do just as well.

i challenge you to spend 3 days and 3k+ rounds in an AR-based training school with both guns and see if you feel the same. The analogy is pretty dead on. If your intention is to burn ammo, then yes, the HP will work. ive seen the High Points fail in horrible ways tho...

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 12:52 PM
i challenge you to spend 3 days and 3k+ rounds in an AR-based training school with both guns and see if you feel the same.

Shouldn't you use an AR in an AR-based training school? I'm not sure anyone would seriously use either the CX4 storm or a 995 in a real CCW or assault type role, maybe in .45 caliber but the AR has put the pistol caliber carbines out to pasture. Again you seem to be the only person who has personally seen 2 995's go kaboom and maybe you would like to share the details. The Hi Points are cheaply made but the design actually seems pretty safe and reliable.

SHusky57
December 26, 2008, 02:58 PM
Shouldn't you use an AR in an AR-based training school? I'm not sure anyone would seriously use either the CX4 storm or a 995 in a real CCW or assault type role, maybe in .45 caliber but the AR has put the pistol caliber carbines out to pasture. Again you seem to be the only person who has personally seen 2 995's go kaboom and maybe you would like to share the details. The Hi Points are cheaply made but the design actually seems pretty safe and reliable.

Why is 9mm, 40 SW, and 45 ACP deemed inadequate for Close-quarters or assault? In a military capacity, it has limited uses. But in a military capacity, an AR is pretty limited considering M249 machine guns and M2 Bradley IFVs.

Now, for real police work or self-defense.... the 9mm has been employed and still is used by SAS for dispatching terrorist. The simple fact of the matter is that knockdown power is irrelevant when you shoot someone multiple times in vital spots at close range. The key factor is being able to skillfully place shots very quickly, amongst many other things. For those that hate the 9mm, the CX4 is also available in .40 and .45. Having a CX4 and a PX4 in 40, with (4) 17 round mags is quite a loadout (one in the CX4, one in the PX4, and two in a mag pouch).

The CX4 has many advantages over the HP.
1) Interchangeable with PX4 or 92/96 mags. I love the PX4 and am a huge fan of the 92/96. Having interchangeable mags is a definite bonus.
2) Ambidexterity. I am left handed. I don't like shooting autos because I tend to eat ejected shells all day long. The Beretta is completely reversible.
3) Comfort and ergonomics. The Beretta stock is just much more comfortable IMO.
4) Customization. With all the rails, it is very easy to slap on a red dot and light.
5) I once had a HP 9mm. I don't even want to talk about it.

Titan6
December 26, 2008, 03:46 PM
Honestly though the plastic that the Hi Point stock is made out of is ridiculous. You can feel it "give" just by squeezing it in your hand.

I fixed this by injecting the stock with expanding insulating foam.

Plastic stocks can be cheap and flexible but Hi Point really went above and beyond with that stock. Like someone else said before they really went out of their way to make a bad looking (and feeling) rifle.

This is really a price thing. I bet they don't pay more than $15 to make a stock and would be surprised if it is that much.

Titan6
December 26, 2008, 03:50 PM
Why is 9mm, 40 SW, and 45 ACP deemed inadequate for Close-quarters or assault? In a military capacity, it has limited uses. But in a military capacity, an AR is pretty limited considering M249 machine guns and M2 Bradley IFVs.

This is strange. I have yet to see any building clearing done with SAWs or Bradley's.

Still there is no reason for anyone to be a 9mm hater. Out of Carbine length barrel it puts out more than adequate energy to be a good stopper.

Also I have never heard of HiPoint Carbine blowing up. Any verifiable information on that would be great.

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 04:00 PM
OK one more post and then I will stop beating this dead horse :) CX4 Storm = at least $600-700 (today's prices), Hi Point 995 = $175 (todays prices). IMO pistol caliber carbines are really only good for plinking around or for HD if you don't have a pistol. Maybe there are some tactical uses for a 9mm - 45 cal carbine but with the advent of body armor and the expansion of the AR platform it seems that most any time you see a SWAT team or military types doing house search they always have some sort of an AR.

So anyways yes obviously the Beretta is a better engineered rifle but if you just want a rifle to shoot around and have fun with buy the Hi Point and save for a real rifle (AR, M14, FAL, AK whatever) and nice pistol as the carbines are not replacements for either. Now if the CX4 was still available at $400 like it should be then maybe it would make more sense. But hey if you got the money and want to spend it then go for it.

And btw I am not a 9mm hater as I own a 995 but it is mainly for plinking and HD (I have an M1A for hunting and what not).

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