Ever have one of those moments where you have to bite your tongue?


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MikePGS
December 24, 2008, 05:07 PM
I was at Dunhams today getting my gf a last minute gift (yeah, I'm one of those last minute shoppers) and overheard an interesting exchange. Two gentlemen were talking to the clerk about the .308, and were wondering if it was the ideal caliber to take 500 yard shots. Curious seeing as this is Michigan and aside from Highways you might have trouble finding 500 yard stretches of land. After making this inquiry, one of the guys explained that he is fully capable of taking such shots, so it was important to have the right ammunition (curious, i thought someone who took such shots would know whether or not a particular rifle would be suitable). The best part of course was when a bit later I overheard the same two guys ask another question while they were buying their ammo. One of the guys (the long range shooter) asked if "that gun" he pointed at was in .308. At which point the clerk politely informed him that no, it was not.




It was a muzzle loader.

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armoredman
December 24, 2008, 06:02 PM
Egad. Not traditional ML, I take it.

Dean Williams
December 24, 2008, 06:28 PM
Ever have one of those moments where you have to bite your tongue?

Almost every single day...

makarovnik
December 24, 2008, 06:42 PM
Not important enough to worry about. You'll give yourself high blood pressure.

chipp
December 24, 2008, 06:43 PM
He obviously made the 300 yard shots with the muzzle loader.

Mousegun
December 24, 2008, 07:18 PM
Ever have one of those moments where you have to bite your tounge?

Yeah, sometimes it gets THIS bad.

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biggun44mag
December 25, 2008, 09:03 AM
I am a teacher in an elementary school, and a lot of the people I work with are anti. I don't bite my tongue as often as I should. I once had a student pulled from my class and put into another because I hunt and own guns!
Many people do not realize how anti-gun the National Education Association (our national union) is. In the NEA constitution there is a statement against guns. Our ranks are being depleted largely in part because our children are exposed to anti-gun teachers 6 to 7 hours a day. I challenge all of you who have kids to NOT bite your tongue and ask their teachers where they stand and demand they offer a balanced view when the subject of gun ownership comes up in the classroom.

John828
December 25, 2008, 11:24 AM
...Two gentlemen were talking to the clerk about the .308, and were wondering if it was the ideal caliber to take 500 yard shots. Curious seeing as this is Michigan...

Until you got to the Michigan part, I was thinking you might have been at the Academy in Little Rock, AR when I overheard the gentleman behind the counter tell a customer that the .308 is one of the flattest shooting rounds on the market. I did bite my tongue because it was none of my business, and I love the .308, but it definitely does not have the best ballistics when compared to some other rounds.

Situations like that I think I ought to bite my tongue because there was nothing to gain by sticking my nose in it. No one was going to get hurt and if they bought the rifle thinking it was a "flat shooter," they probably won't be too dissappointed.

GEM
December 25, 2008, 11:52 AM
After this encounter, I now MYOB.

At Cabela's a dude was buying a pump shotgun for HD. There he was with the little lady. He wanted a pump to rack it to scare the BGs. Then he wanted some blanks in case that didn't work, to further scare the BGs. The clerk opined that he should also get some rubber 00 if the blanks didn't work.

I decided (:banghead: me) to set this gentleman on the correct tactical course. Well, he looked like he wanted to kill me - I violate his macho space.

So, I wandered away.

THe Dove
December 25, 2008, 12:10 PM
Hey Gem

Should have told him a cap pistol is alot cheeper and nowadays they make alot bigger bang when you pull the trigger! HAHA

The Dove

ShadyScott999
December 25, 2008, 02:10 PM
Ya can't fix stupid.

Tirod
December 25, 2008, 02:42 PM
"Bite My Own Tongue" is an operative condition of life these days. Happens sometime after 45 when you discover you DO know something and now all the younger kids won't listen.

Like, when folks post they carry a nice full sized .45 accurized for range shooting as their CCW piece because . . .

Uuunhh.

You probly geth my pointh.

CB900F
December 25, 2008, 03:34 PM
Fella's;

Go back & reread Biggun44mag's post again. It is the absolute truth & it's way past time to do something about it.

Here it is again: Break the NEA & save the USA!

900F

TAB
December 25, 2008, 03:41 PM
Almost every single day...



what he said.

LWGN
December 25, 2008, 10:15 PM
CB900F,

We solved that problem by homeschooling. Firearms safety counts as part of health class. PE includes range time. American history and civics includes the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and all ten amendments around here.

And as an added benefit, we avoid the religiously-bigoted, anti-intellectual biases of many of the locals, to boot.

:D

qajaq59
December 26, 2008, 06:09 AM
Ya can't fix stupid.
Boy, you've got that right.

Neverwinter
December 26, 2008, 08:09 AM
American history and civics includes the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and all ten amendments around here.
I hope you meant "the entirety of the Bill of Rights". There are more than 10 amendments to the Constitution. Some are important to understanding the development of our country's government, like the 13th and 19th.

Mike2
December 26, 2008, 08:36 AM
Personally, I've been at the point in my life for several years now, where I finally speak up and have quit bitting my tongue. I know most times it won't do any good at all but at least it makes me feel a little bit better.........I know it does no good though.:scrutiny:

John828
December 26, 2008, 08:49 AM
regarding caliber issues or 2A issues, Mike2? One is more important than the other.

exoduster18
December 26, 2008, 09:02 AM
I am with Mike2 on this one....I generally do open my mouth and let people know. I do it in as nice a way as a possible to avoid offending anyone, but there are times when I keep my mouth shut because it would better serve me to do so.

possum
December 26, 2008, 09:06 AM
i have to do that all the time at the local gun shop. sometimes i just can't help myself though and can't hold my tounge.

John828
December 26, 2008, 09:13 AM
I still think it is better to refrain from butting in at gun shops unless you are asked an opinion or part of the conversation, but then you're not butting in.

Sometimes I only hear part of the conversation and might have missed something that made a comment halfway correct. Usually though the comment is indeed dumb but not worthy of attention. Maybe an inward chuckle, but otherwise not worth the energy. I have no point to prove nor a need to feel superior.

Now if a comment is overheard that has the potential to put someone in harm's way, that is a different story.

monkyboy1975
December 26, 2008, 09:24 AM
On 2A issues I never choose to bite my tongue, I speak my mind. On the caliber war stuff I bite the tongue unless what I hear is total BS.;)

goldie
December 26, 2008, 10:36 AM
how about being in a gun shop ,the clerk is holding the pistol to show the customer(customer didnt have a pistol license) & the customer asked him how come he isnt holding the gun sideways! he was dead serious,thats what he learned from idiot movies & tv.bite my tongue? i wanted to smack this rectum!

Redneck with a 40
December 26, 2008, 10:45 AM
A .308 at 500 yards probably has on the order of 5 feet of drop at that range, factor in any wind, you'd better be a damn good shot. If you want a flat shooting cartridge, 7mm mag or 300 win mag, but none have the inherent accuracy of the .308.

Mike2
December 26, 2008, 11:06 AM
John828, typically most topics in general especially 2A, I've always tried to keep my opinions to myself and just role with the flow but I have found that I began harboring a lot of anger because of this. While I try to speak out in a tactful manner and try to at least be nice, sometimes one has to fight fire with fire. I guess it boils down to having the knowledge and wisdom to choose ones battles and then dig in hard. But I always try to remember what my mom taught me, "No matter what, be nice" she would always add in at the end of her mother son speeches "Make your point but be nice" Gotta love mom.........:)

orionengnr
December 26, 2008, 09:22 PM
Yep, had one at a local gun shop just the other day. Although I'm 52, I was the youngest guy in the shop by 2 decades (only exagerating slightly), so when one of the old-timers noted that I was examining several boxes of bullets (pretty much everything I could find in .45 caliber), he "offered" the benefit of his expertise.

My first time in this shop, I'm not out to offend anyone; I listened to him prattle on for 15 minutes or so.

Now let me be the first to admit--I only reload for .45acp, and am a newbie at that, so I don't know a lot. In fact, while looking for a .45 Colt revolver, I bought a set of dies for .45 Colt and bought 100 bullets in .454 dia. :(

But when he tried to tell me that .452 bullets were for .45acp and .458 bullets were for .45 Colt, I bit my tongue. When he was "done" (loosely translated as when the door swung open and he diverted his attention from me for a second or two and lost his head of steam) I thanked him for his time, wished him a Merry Christmas, and put three of the four boxes back on the shelf (purchasing the .452 255 gr SWCs).

What blew me away was that the shop owner stood there, listening to most of this, and never said a word. If I were ill-informed enough to buy, try and load 300 gr .458 projectiles into .45 LC cartridges, and somehow succeeded, I can't imagine they would fit into the cylinder...which would be a good thing, because if they did, I'd hate to think what would happen if I could touch one off.

At this point (three days after the fact), I'm thinking I should have said something. If this is any indication, this guy's advice isn't just bad, it's potentially dangerous.

zammyman
December 26, 2008, 11:04 PM
I heard a guy asking the owner at a local shop today if there was any difference between .223 and the 5.56 he bought. About the 8th time the owner finally said "Really, we'd tell you if there was a difference or a problem between them." Enough said...

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 27, 2008, 12:00 AM
Pretty much every time I step into Academy or Bass Pro and go to the gun counter. 90% of the time though, I keep to myself. I will only interject if the customer seems genuinely interested in being open to being helped, or if I see someone about to make a HUGE mistake. They're not on commission in those 2 stores, so the clerks don't care what I tell people.

SMMAssociates
December 27, 2008, 02:36 AM
My favorite gun shop has two older guys (older than me, and I'm 62) who are generally knowledgeable, and rather willing to pass it along.

My experience is rather eclectic, and a little limited, so I tend to keep my trap shut.

But once in a while....

My rule is to NOT screw up a sale unless they're really about to do it to the pooch. I usually have something good to say about whatever's going on anyway....

The younger counterslaves, OTOH, need watching.... I usually have a bit more to say then, but only if I'm reasonably sure. The kids, for their part, know me well enough, too, that they'll listen.

I was in Dicks one afternoon looking for a slip-on recoil reducer for a shotgun buttplate. Might as well have asked for Martian foot-fungus powder.... Dunno why I bothered....

I visit these "big box" stores only when something really special is on sale that my regular dealers can't provide, or I happen to be in the same strip plaza/mall on other business.

Regards,

evan price
December 27, 2008, 08:40 AM
It happens a lot, my latest tongue-biter is when I go to this one place that stocks reloading gear, and someone asks a salesperson for help "Because they think they want to start reloading"...

I have managed to keep it bitten. Lord, how I have tried...

But this one day when the clerk told a guy that all he would ever need to reload came in the RCBS Supreme Master Rock Chucker Set... I mentioned a kinetic bullet puller. The clerk told me that he'd been reloading for dickety-steen years and had never needed to pull apart one of his handloads yet, so buying a bullet puller wasn't necessary, "Or RCBS woulda put one in there!"

Nice to know you're perfect, and will remain so indefinitely.

BayouBocephus
December 27, 2008, 09:20 AM
I try to never bite my tongue and to share what I know and if I'm wrong I hope more ppl tell me so and not hold their tongue either

possum
December 27, 2008, 10:03 AM
the latest time was when my Mother in law was over at the house and she told me that her Norinco Handgun was the best thing on the market, and the reason it is so great is the fact that it has German "gearwork"!

jorb
December 27, 2008, 11:24 AM
I'm 61 and I don't bite my tongue anymore. I do nibble on it pretty often.

MikePGS
December 28, 2008, 10:05 AM
Something like this happened to me (again) last night. I was at the grocery store with my girlfriend buying some things including the annual issue of Petersen's Hunting. The cashier tried to ring it up but said something to my girlfriend and looked befuddled. I didn't hear what was said, so I leaned in and asked her what the problem was. She told me that she couldn't ring the magazine up, because it wasn't in yet.

Corporal K
December 28, 2008, 10:32 AM
I actually stopped hanging around with a guy who bought his first gun 3 years ago and now talks like a combination of Doc Holliday and Richard Marcinko. He also botched a work-related project we were both on (we work for the same company).

I certainly don't claim to know everything about anything, but when a guy with zero, and I mean ZERO, field experience starts arguing with me on which elk caliber to get, 5.56 performance in Iraq, etc., I don't hold my tongue. :cool:

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